Radaghest

Radaghest

Member
Oct 11, 2018
79
Anyone else here with this problem?
35, female, USA
Sexual abuse, Physical abuse, Mental abuse survivor.
BPD, PTSD, MDD, GeneralizedAD, SocialAD
I need fellowship before ctb.
Just someone to say it's okay to want to die.
Someone to say I support your decision.
 
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GeorgeEastman

Arcanist
Sep 3, 2018
470
I have BPD and constant suicidal ideation, and have often wished someone would give me permission to do it.

Then I think if they gave it, I'd cuss them out and stay to stick it to them. I think everyone hates me until they say something nice, then 10 minutes later I'll think of how they didn't mean it and they really still hate me.
 
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Radaghest

Member
Oct 11, 2018
79
I feel hated, inadequate, unwanted, misunderstood. No support, no understanding. I have no one FOR REAL at this point in my life. The only socialization I get is at work and on here.
 
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GeorgeEastman

Arcanist
Sep 3, 2018
470
I hate myself the most for caring that other people hate me. I'm 35, too. You'd think by this age, we'd be smart enough to stop caring. For a while, I thought I was.

But I'm not.
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
79
I have been in such intense emotional pain for SO LONG that I am actually having physical pain in response to psychological triggers/pain. I desperately want to ctb, but fear oblivion.
 
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Metavoid

Student
Oct 21, 2018
160
Babe we are all a family here, I too have suffered through abuse and have horrific mental issues. I identify with everything you've said here. If you want someone to talk to , message me, we could even talk on Skype or something if you needed. We gotta look out for each other x
 
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Rachel

Student
Aug 30, 2018
106
Yes. The diagnosis of bpd hurt. And I guess it wasn't the diagnosis itself...but more of reading about how hard and miserable life is for those who have it. It's kinda like ...I don't want to have to live this life....it's not worth the pain
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
79
Ive tried partial suspension, pills, cutting/slicing, and sat and stared at a gun trying to determine if I was ready for THAT. Im saving up for N but the thought of it being close enough to drink makes me hyperventilate. Im scared to die, but compelled to die. I want this to end.
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
79
Yes. The diagnosis of bpd hurt. And I guess it wasn't the diagnosis itself...but more of reading about how hard and miserable life is for those who have it. It's kinda like ...I don't want to have to live this life....it's not worth the pain
I knew I had it and hid it from Doctors for years. Finally they wised up this year and added it to my diagnosis.
 
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Rachel

Student
Aug 30, 2018
106
I knew I had it and hid it from Doctors for years. Finally they wised up this year and added it to my diagnosis.
Mine tried to keep it from me which I thought was weird... I had to ask them straight up, like...do I have bpd?? He seemed surprised I asked and he just said we'll...you did get into this program. It's just ever actually told me so I felt ..unsure I guess. But yeah...now I knooow.
 
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Schopenhauer

Enlightened
Oct 3, 2018
1,133
Of course it's okay for you want to die. No one deserves to go through what you went through. If you decide that life isn't worth living, that's all that matters.

If anything, you have a much better claim to suicide than I do. Your reasons are much more poignant.
 
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RogueJuliet

Member
Oct 23, 2018
23
Hello.

33
Female
US
Sexual abuse/mental abuse/physical abuse
Not sure what the official term is for my particular malfunction - I've stayed the fuck off the mental health grid after seeing what it does to people. Pretty solid assumption there is some major depressive component in there that emerged in childhood (yay!)
Every living thing has the right to die... but (no offense intended... Can't really convey tone in text) why the need for permission from strangers, if I might ask?
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
79
f you decide that life isn't worth living, that's all that matters.
This is what I needed to hear.
I need someone brave enough to tell me this in real life in my life.
I have no one and only a few things, like food and water, propping me up like a janky form of life support.
I want out desperately.
 
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GeorgeEastman

Arcanist
Sep 3, 2018
470
sat and stared at a gun trying to determine if I was ready for THAT

Heroic restraint there.

I just know if I had one in here, I'd be out quick. I'd stare into it and smile. Twirl it around like a happy little schoolgirl. Wouldn't take long before I'd paint the walls with it. Or go down here in front of these people who live below me and knock on their window before blowing my head off in front of them.

Always wanted to do it in front of people I hated. I haven't hated anyone for a while though, but they moved in. And I hate them.
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
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Or go down here in front of these people who live below me and knock on their window before blowing my head off in front of them.

I fantasize about someone finding me hanging and blue. I go back and forth on if I feel that would be fair or not. Im terrified Ill hang here and putrify alone because Im so terribly isolated. I didnt use the gun because it was my dads. He left it out on the night stand one day when I was at his house. He had just had heart surgery amd I just couldnt do it to him at that moment.
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
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I fantasize about someone finding me hanging and blue. I go back and forth on if I feel that would be fair or not. Im terrified Ill hang here and putrify alone because Im so terribly isolated. I didnt use the gun because it was my dads. He left it out on the night stand one day when I was at his house. He had just had heart surgery amd I just couldnt do it to him at that moment.
He DID however find me hanging shortly after and stopped me/cut me down.
I stared at that gun for a LONG time before I left the room.
I was almost in denial of what it was and how lucky I was at that very moment to be given that opportunity and I pussed out.
 
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Sayo

Not 2B
Aug 22, 2018
520
Hey Radaghest.

I have the same diagnoses as you and I understand. I wouldn't venture to say we have the same life, although we've been through the same kind of things. I often wish that I had died just so that I didn't go through more of it. I'm so sorry you had to go through it too.

You might be interested in knowing that, in the studies I have read done on clinical assisted suicide of people with psychiatric disorders, many of the patients were people like us (except for the age difference, but it is very statistically striking that so many were so young). I will quote the summarised results of one study of euthanasia in the Netherlands in 2011-2014:

'70% (46 of 66) of patients were women, 32% were over 70 years-old, 44% were between 50–70, and 24% were 30–50. Most had chronic, severe conditions, with histories of attempted suicides and psychiatric hospitalizations. A majority had personality disorders and were described as socially isolated or lonely. Depressive disorders were the primary issue in 55% of cases. Other conditions represented were psychotic, PTSD/anxiety, somatoform, neurocognitive, and eating disorders, as well as prolonged grief and autism. Co-morbidities with functional impairments were common.'

The study is available here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5530592/ and you can read the discussion, which has more detailed breakdown of diagnoses, treatment histories, and the ethics. Of course it goes deeper than simply 'all women with BPD are untreatable'. In fact, I think it reflects the known biases of physicians against people with personality disorders (and their beliefs about other disorders). I think it is tragic, because our disorders are so hard to treat, and even where treatment is proven to help with ideation and harm (DBT, schema therapy), it's almost impossible to access in so many places. But it reflects the difficulty that so many of us with BPD, PTSD go through and the loss of hope we have to deal with.

I don't blame you for trying to hide your BPD from your doctors, with the way people, especially psychs, talk about BPD. Also, the prognosis is quite frightening, especially with all the other problems one has inflicted on them by trauma - and it's hard to be believed as a trauma survivor, never mind one with BPD.

It sounds like you have so little to help you fight on, and you have fought bravely this far already. I can't give you permission to die because I really believe that's something everyone has to reach for themselves, that it's okay not to fight any more. But I support you either way. Like Schopenhauer said, it's your decision that matters here.

Making that decision doesn't mean you have to die right away, once one decides to die they might go through a lot of the panic you are describing, or grief, or fear, coming to terms with the implications of dying. You don't have to rush. I think what you are doing (trying to save up for N - peaceful and reliable, less scary than the gun, which you have qualms with) is smart, and I hope you can do it if that's what you want. Even when it arrives you don't have to take it right away, a lot of people here get it and don't take it immediately because it is overwhelming, and there are plenty of reasons not to do it right away. It's always okay to hedge your bets too.

@Rachel: BPD is not a death sentence, despite the things I wrote above. It is very hard, and many people with BPD do die by suicide because it's too much, or the experiences that led to it are also too much. But you have already been living with the terrible pain of it, unnamed. Treatment is hard, dealing with psychs and morons who stigmatise BPD is hard (I had to fight for my diagnosis to be talked about openly too because they were afraid I'd internalise the stigma), realising your prognosis and coming to terms with what your turbulent emotions mean is hard. But you have been living your life and so some of it is not new to you, at least.

My mom has BPD and PTSD too. She raised two children and is in her 50s. Like many older people with BPD, she has sort of 'mellowed out' and achieved remission of many of her severe symptoms, although she still carries a lot of pain with her. I grew up enmeshed with her and I witnessed a lot of the lows of her life. But as she got older (and left my abusive father), it truly has become less painful, and the disillusionment and devaluation swings a lot less brutal. The more intense joyful emotions get more time in the sun. I have never understood how she isn't suicidal anymore, she just... doesn't think like that? I don't know. She's never gone to therapy or anything, she just aged and got away from most of the people continually exacerbating her symptoms. I'm not telling this story to be like 'everyone can be kind of okay like my mom', or 'accepting kind-of-okay is the best!', because it's rotten. But it's worth knowing about remission.

I strongly recommend reading literature by people who actually have BPD, and not just psychs, or things targeted at caregivers, because it is all messed up. It will not change your opinion that life with BPD is hard, because it is terrible. It may give you some hope that you aren't locked into the worst of your worst feelings forever, though. I totally understand not wanting to deal with it. Rachel Reiland's memoir 'Get Me Out of Here' was really brutal, but it did help me accept that it's possible for people with BPD to achieve a more grounded state when I was trying to get diagnosed, five years ago, and see what it might look like, even if it isn't perfect.
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
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Hey Radaghest.

I have the same diagnoses as you and I understand. I wouldn't venture to say we have the same life, although we've been through the same kind of things. I often wish that I had died just so that I didn't go through more of it. I'm so sorry you had to go through it too.

You might be interested in knowing that, in the studies I have read done on clinical assisted suicide of people with psychiatric disorders, many of the patients were people like us (except for the age difference, but it is very statistically striking that so many were so young). I will quote the summarised results of one study of euthanasia in the Netherlands in 2011-2014:

'70% (46 of 66) of patients were women, 32% were over 70 years-old, 44% were between 50–70, and 24% were 30–50. Most had chronic, severe conditions, with histories of attempted suicides and psychiatric hospitalizations. A majority had personality disorders and were described as socially isolated or lonely. Depressive disorders were the primary issue in 55% of cases. Other conditions represented were psychotic, PTSD/anxiety, somatoform, neurocognitive, and eating disorders, as well as prolonged grief and autism. Co-morbidities with functional impairments were common.'

The study is available here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5530592/ and you can read the discussion, which has more detailed breakdown of diagnoses, treatment histories, and the ethics. Of course it goes deeper than simply 'all women with BPD are untreatable'. In fact, I think it reflects the known biases of physicians against people with personality disorders (and their beliefs about other disorders). I think it is tragic, because our disorders are so hard to treat, and even where treatment is proven to help with ideation and harm (DBT, schema therapy), it's almost impossible to access in so many places. But it reflects the difficulty that so many of us with BPD, PTSD go through and the loss of hope we have to deal with.

I don't blame you for trying to hide your BPD from your doctors, with the way people, especially psychs, talk about BPD. Also, the prognosis is quite frightening, especially with all the other problems one has inflicted on them by trauma - and it's hard to be believed as a trauma survivor, never mind one with BPD.

It sounds like you have so little to help you fight on, and you have fought bravely this far already. I can't give you permission to die because I really believe that's something everyone has to reach for themselves, that it's okay not to fight any more. But I support you either way. Like Schopenhauer said, it's your decision that matters here.

Making that decision doesn't mean you have to die right away, once one decides to die they might go through a lot of the panic you are describing, or grief, or fear, coming to terms with the implications of dying. You don't have to rush. I think what you are doing (trying to save up for N - peaceful and reliable, less scary than the gun, which you have qualms with) is smart, and I hope you can do it if that's what you want. Even when it arrives you don't have to take it right away, a lot of people here get it and don't take it immediately because it is overwhelming, and there are plenty of reasons not to do it right away. It's always okay to hedge your bets too.

@Rachel: BPD is not a death sentence, despite the things I wrote above. It is very hard, and many people with BPD do die by suicide because it's too much, or the experiences that led to it are also too much. But you have already been living with the terrible pain of it, unnamed. Treatment is hard, dealing with psychs and morons who stigmatise BPD is hard (I had to fight for my diagnosis to be talked about openly too because they were afraid I'd internalise the stigma), realising your prognosis and coming to terms with what your turbulent emotions mean is hard. But you have been living your life and so some of it is not new to you, at least.

My mom has BPD and PTSD too. She raised two children and is in her 50s. Like many older people with BPD, she has sort of 'mellowed out' and achieved remission of many of her severe symptoms, although she still carries a lot of pain with her. I grew up enmeshed with her and I witnessed a lot of the lows of her life. But as she got older (and left my abusive father), it truly has become less painful, and the disillusionment and devaluation swings a lot less brutal. The more intense joyful emotions get more time in the sun. I have never understood how she isn't suicidal anymore, she just... doesn't think like that? I don't know. She's never gone to therapy or anything, she just aged and got away from most of the people continually exacerbating her symptoms. I'm not telling this story to be like 'everyone can be kind of okay like my mom', or 'accepting kind-of-okay is the best!', because it's rotten. But it's worth knowing about remission.

I strongly recommend reading literature by people who actually have BPD, and not just psychs, or things targeted at caregivers, because it is all messed up. It will not change your opinion that life with BPD is hard, because it is terrible. It may give you some hope that you aren't locked into the worst of your worst feelings forever, though. I totally understand not wanting to deal with it. Rachel Reiland's memoir 'Get Me Out of Here' was really brutal, but it did help me accept that it's possible for people with BPD to achieve a more grounded state when I was trying to get diagnosed, five years ago, and see what it might look like, even if it isn't perfect.
Im aware of the studies and such.
Ive tried so much: multiple hospitalizations, meds after meds after meds, therapy, self mutilation, illegal drugs....nothing helps.
 
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Trashcan

Trash
Aug 31, 2018
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Fortunately, this place is very understanding of those who have BPD. It is, as you probably know, very stigmatized elsewhere. I only knew one professional who didn't stigmatize it. He said it's a coping/defense mechanism for certain people who grew up in certain environments. Some people have also said it's basically a form of PTSD.
 
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Sayo

Not 2B
Aug 22, 2018
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Im aware of the studies and such.
Ive tried so much: multiple hospitalizations, meds after meds after meds, therapy, self mutilation, illegal drugs....nothing helps.
Sorry if I was unclear. I was trying to say that you're not alone in choosing this, and many doctors end up agreeing that, currently, there is not much they can really do past a certain point. So, it's more like a long and very difficult fight that we've been through, and as someone who is also going through it, I understand and support you if you can't find peace any other way.

edited: edit to be more explicit, sorry I'm very unsteady today
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
79
Anyone else stuck on a rapid cycle?
Pretty much lowest low and attempting every 48 to 72 hours.
 
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TooLate2582

Experienced
May 6, 2018
267
Anyone else stuck on a rapid cycle?
Pretty much lowest low and attempting every 48 to 72 hours.
Not so severe, but I know how that feels
 
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Throwaway563078

Experienced
Oct 6, 2018
272
I hate myself the most for caring that other people hate me. I'm 35, too. You'd think by this age, we'd be smart enough to stop caring. For a while, I thought I was.

But I'm not.

Shit. I knew this disease rarely gets better with age
 
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Throwaway563078

Experienced
Oct 6, 2018
272
Anyone else here with this problem?
35, female, USA
Sexual abuse, Physical abuse, Mental abuse survivor.
BPD, PTSD, MDD, GeneralizedAD, SocialAD
I need fellowship before ctb.
Just someone to say it's okay to want to die.
Someone to say I support your decision.

It's ok. You're only trying to find some peace. It's unfair you dealt with all this but then again the universe doesn't care about anything or anyone
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
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Not so severe, but I know how that feels
I tend to drive people away because they cant tolerate or understand my desperation, or why I would be okay with hurting myself. Im pretty much an 11 out of 10 since my husband died 2 years ago. No support structure or caregiver at all anymore.
 
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GeorgeEastman

Arcanist
Sep 3, 2018
470
Shit. I knew this disease rarely gets better with age

My mom lived out her whole 59 years with it. Died worried that we still hated her even after we told her we didn't.

If that's not proof I'm wasting my time, I don't know what the hell is. Guess it's my time to waste, but I'm sure as hell wasting it by staying around. However, at the moment I consider it a worthy punishment for those who aggravate the hell out of me. Stick around and keep burdening them with this damn curse.
 
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TooLate2582

Experienced
May 6, 2018
267
I tend to drive people away because they cant tolerate or understand my desperation, or why I would be okay with hurting myself. Im pretty much an 11 out of 10 since my husband died 2 years ago. No support structure or caregiver at all anymore.
Yep. All or nothing. Most intense love, most seething hatred. A good day quickly turns into the worst day ever.
 
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Final Escape

I’ve been here too long
Jul 8, 2018
4,348
I feel hated, inadequate, unwanted, misunderstood. No support, no understanding. I have no one FOR REAL at this point in my life. The only socialization I get is at work and on here.
Yes I have BPD as well and similar other issues. I totally understand how you're feeling with the social isolation and feeling like you have no one really. Basically in the modern system many of us are falling through the cracks because we just weren't educated, guided, parented, or socialized well. More people now than ever end up never marrying and kids, going to church, having a community, or satisfying vocations. These 4 areas are what give people meaning and it's a big reason why many of us are struggling. If you don't have success in at least finding a partner, having kids, or a very satisfying job it's going to be a miserable life. I'm about to get a kitten to cope with loneliness. Aside from this, I hate to see you go but I understand how serious the pain can be. If you feel like you need to go then I support you :( but I don't wish death on anybody unless you're very ill and dying from old age or a disabling disease. I do wish death on the sociopathic ruling elite, except for Trump I don't think he's one of them.
 
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Radaghest

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Oct 11, 2018
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Im going to try partial again tonight. Im taking my cord off the door and changing the way the knots are tied and trying again. Hopefully, this time i can push down the fear and be successful. I just cant continue going on like this.
 
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Philip

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Oct 23, 2018
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Im going to try partial again tonight. Im taking my cord off the door and changing the way the knots are tied and trying again. Hopefully, this time i can push down the fear and be successful. I just cant continue going on like this.
Good luck.....hope you find the peace you want......hugs
 
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