People tend to think suicide connected with mental illness. That's so untrue! You don't have to be mentally ill to have SI and die by suicide in fact most of the people die by suicide are not mentally ill and never saw a psychiatric. Not every symptom is mental illness according to DSM5. People can attempt to kill themselves or wish to die due to grief a loss, challenge with friends, financial difficulties, not happy in life etc.. ofc other mentally ill can have S ideations and thoughts but never go through with it if that make sense? If you look at the recent suicide history in the US since 2024, none of these people have mental issues in fact they all look beautiful smart have future plans and rich. Sometimes you just feel " not fit" with this society. I know I don't want to continue this life working even tho I'm grieving and if I stop working due to my grief and pain I will be homeless I'm literally one paycheck away from being homeless.
I disagree. You are misinterpreting a common debate and draw conclusions that are not accurate.
Never having been to a psychiatrist or diagnosed with any disorder or mental illness doesn´t mean you don´t have one. Many mentally ill people are highly functional till a certain breaking point for instance. I think you might not be aware of the difference between illness and disorder and illness in general. I´ll try to break it down.
There is no absolute consensus on the definitions of health, disease, and illness, even though these concepts are central not only in medicine but also in the health social sciences. It is more of a consensus. In mental healthcare is the classic (medical) approach is like: you can detect it and it is written down in a standardised form. It is illness. More modern approaches in therapy (treating mental illness) you shy away from that. In systemic approach you don´t use the word patent lightly, but rather use client. It is all about labels. Having issues (i.e. listed as disorders) can be subjective and don´t apply to you. Illness in a very simple definition = absence of help or suffering from something. If you label a person a patient from the get go, you might be wrong. Not everybody is truly suffering or sees it that way as being sick. They can be highly functional or see it as perks). In a clinical setting they are always patients and will get a diagnosis. (Justify billing, comparable standards etc. - medical approach)
If you work at an institution or have your own office depending on whether you are team traditional (medical label) or more modern approach, you refer to them as clients instead. If they don´t express suffering to a point it affects health and quality of life defining them as sick (one definition of illness) or if I as your therapist don´t diagree with your view, you are a client. If I think you got problems affecting your life in a negative way or display severe symptoms (clinical depression, panic disorder, ptsd, schizoid disorders for instance).
Whether you are mentally depends on what your perception is, where you are treated and what the person who treats you thinks. Illness in mental health is a consensus and often highly subjctive. We do use labels and need them but the debate patient or not ill or not revolves around stigmatisation and avoiding discrimination.
4th highest cause of death world wide is suicide (mostly associated with depression). There are cases of sudden impulsive behaviour or reaction (affect) as a direct and timely result to a traumatic event or catastrophe or when facing unexpected timely passing of a themselves or a loved one. You probable are very disordered (pun intended) or have been in the past if that is your reaction imo. Other than that it is always mental disorders or illness. If the actions you take revolve around killing yourself or other severe forms, you are not sane anymore by any standard.
Looking into medical statistics in the US doesn´t tell you anything since access to healthcare. Hence why no diagnosis or connection to it since social healthcare is not a right granted in the land of the free and home of the brave (and utterly troubled if you can´t afford treatment.
Prolonged grief disorder is included in the ICD 11 (European framework or medical diagnosis) btw.
Feeling not fit in society that does imply suffering and does have an affect on quality of life (=illness or disorder) because society says so in a framework. Depression caused by falling through the cracks or not having a system beneficial to its citizens is still depression caused by external factors that impact internal such as your health.
wow maybe he's delusional!
