Availability of Injectable Lidocaine

[peacefulhorizons]

Title. Is it available to purchase on the grey/black market without a prescription? Or any of the other injectable -caine drugs?

 

[suisuiforum]

What's the lethal dosage? I'm not sure how different grey/black market lidocaine is from medical grade, but I've always seen it diluted to around 2%

 

[peacefulhorizons]

What's the lethal dosage? I'm not sure how different grey/black market lidocaine is from medical grade, but I've always seen it diluted to around 2%

I'm not sure but I'm just evaluating the feasibility of an IV pentobarbital drip (for nerd purposes and possible consideration of use). N is causatic and causes localized injection pain (like propofol). Lidocaine is often used mixed in or before administration of propofol so I assume lidocaine would help.

 

[suisuiforum]

Oh ok, so that's not the primary method. I guess that makes more sense, but I thought most people would say that N is fine to be taken orally. IV is probably faster acting, but it's ideal if a medical professional were to administer it. Even if you were trained, it's still kind of tricky doing all of that at once to yourself.

 

[nihilism44]

I'm not sure but I'm just evaluating the feasibility of an IV pentobarbital drip (for nerd purposes and possible consideration of use). N is causatic and causes localized injection pain (like propofol). Lidocaine is often used mixed in or before administration of propofol so I assume lidocaine would help.

Are you going to go to a hospital and get an IV placed first? Or are you going to attempt it yourself. I wouldn't recommend that unless you have experience.

 

[peacefulhorizons]

Are you going to go to a hospital and get an IV placed first? Or are you going to attempt it yourself. I wouldn't recommend that unless you have experience.

Just looking at hypotheticals rn but in theory yeah you would have to do it yourself because hospitals wouldn't allow that

 

[nihilism44]

Just looking at hypotheticals rn but in theory yeah you would have to do it yourself because hospitals wouldn't allow that

IV placement is actually really difficult and I think it could go really bad if you accidentally inject subcutaneously or into a blown vein.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I'm not sure but I'm just evaluating the feasibility of an IV pentobarbital drip (for nerd purposes and possible consideration of use). N is causatic and causes localized injection pain (like propofol). Lidocaine is often used mixed in or before administration of propofol so I assume lidocaine would help.

This is the first time I've heard of N injection being painful. Propofol is an oil emulsion, so its injection is painful. Thiopental is also a barbiturate derivative and I have not read about injection pain. Are you sure the N injection is painful?

 

[peacefulhorizons]

This is the first time I've heard of N injection being painful. Propofol is an oil emulsion, so its injection is painful. Thiopental is also a barbiturate derivative and I have not read about injection pain. Are you sure the N injection is painful?

I've seen some references in veterinary medical literature that it can cause pain due its high pH of around 11. However, the vet N shipping today (from our sources) supposedly has been pH adjusted to around 9, so I'm unsure. We however do know for sure that pentobarbital injection outside of a vein (usually by improper IV placement) causes pain and potential necrosis (that's officially agreed on and is a warning on N paper inserts/labels).

 

[BeyondGoodNEvil]

isnt lidocaine mostly used as an local anesthesia if so that means dosage wise you will need a lot to become unconscious besides if you have accesses to that you should have accesses to N which is a far more better option.I havent seen lidocaine or any local anesthesia selling on the black market

 

[Sunset Limited]

I've seen some references in veterinary medical literature that it can cause pain due its high pH of around 11. However, the vet N shipping today (from our sources) supposedly has been pH adjusted to around 9, so I'm unsure. We however do know for sure that pentobarbital injection outside of a vein (usually by improper IV placement) causes pain and potential necrosis (that's officially agreed on and is a warning on N paper inserts/labels).

I don't think the N injection would be painful unless administered as a fast bolus. This is the same for propofol. The anesthetic induction dose of propofol in large veins has a low potential to cause pain. If I were to use N as an IV I would just install a gravity fed drip system. A bolus dose is not required. It's very unlikely to be painful that way.

isnt lidocaine mostly used as an local anesthesia if so that means dosage wise you will need a lot to become unconscious besides if you have accesses to that you should have accesses to N which is a far more better option.I havent seen lidocaine or any local anesthesia selling on the black market

It varies by country. In the country I live in, propofol, rocuronium, bupivacaine, lidocaine otc

 

[Tamara Tami]

He visto algunas referencias en la literatura médica veterinaria de que puede causar dolor debido a su alto pH de alrededor de 11. Sin embargo, el N veterinario que se envía hoy (de nuestras fuentes) supuestamente se ha ajustado el pH a alrededor de 9, así que no estoy seguro. Sin embargo, sabemos con certeza que la inyección de pentobarbital fuera de una vena (generalmente por una colocación intravenosa incorrecta) causa dolor y una posible necrosis (eso está oficialmente acordado y es una advertencia en los insertos / etiquetas de papel N).

hi therecan you share with me those medical veterinary references that it can cause pain, please