KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,740
It always feels like a slap in the face when you've worked hard in an attempt to overcome your problems, only to realise that they are permanent, life-long burdens, festering with time.

You can fight for years and years, but when that determination wavers due to an amalgamation of failures, it feels like others only see weakness rather than the steady stream of effort. Perhaps also, a person like me is just doomed to be labeled as defective no matter what I do.

I've talked about these things extensively here and feel like a broken record at this point, but I have nowhere else to turn to. I'm really at my limit, and also fed up with seeing basic advice everywhere I look.

My birthday is coming up, which at this point means that I have now been suicidal for over half of my entire life. You won't hear about people like me in that statistics regarding temporary problems, that's for sure. It's a bit hard to believe, to know that it's been over 12 years since I didn't have frequent urges to die. Especially over the past 4-5 years, the thought of death has crossed my mind almost every single day. What a life.

Though I'm wondering if it was always doomed before it's began. I have struggled since very early on in my childhood. I was not officially diagnosed with autism until I was a teenager, but as early as toddler age I was stimming and hand flapping, had obsessive and rigid interests and could only talk about my interest at the time, couldn't make eye contact, and had a very weird way of speaking.

It was obvious looking back, but I grew up in an extremely small town/village, and when a doctor in a city wanted to start the process of diagnosis one of my grandparents threw a hissy fit and refused for it to happen, because she hated disabled people and wouldn't believe I was one of them. When I did get diagnosed, her husband, my paternal grandfather said I couldn't be autistic because autistic people are violent, crazy, and need to be institutionalized.

I was bullied my entire adolescence, and never knew why people despised for so many years. It was like there was some weird aura about me people could sense, a mark that I was defective. I had no friends until I was 12, and as I got older people also frequently asked me out "as a joke" and would do cruel things to me as a prank to induce a meltdown. I was hit or dragged into a fight many times. Teachers would punish me for not making eye contact or call me lazy, and I was frequently told I shouldn't attempt further education and deserved to be in a trades course when I vehemently didn't want to do that. They thought I was stupid.

My own family would point and laugh at me for stimming and other autistic behaviours. I had to learn to hide my interests because my relatives constantly pointed out how weird I was, and how disappointed they were that I was not athletic and doing the things they wanted me to do. I was dyspraxic and couldn't tie my own shoes till 16, how could I ever be an athlete? Whenever I had a meltdown or got upset, up until about age 10 I'd be beaten with a belt over it until I had welts. If I was afraid, crying, and wouldn't do something, I'd get beaten until I complied. In the culture which I grew up in, it is seen as virtuous to beat or whip your children as punishment.

Whenever I got into cosplay and dressing up, my family would take pictures of me to post online and laugh at me, and I caught them red handed doing it. When I was molested by a doctor when I was around 5 or 6 years old I discovered crude ways of masturbation afterwards, not realising what I was doing initially. My aunt would watch me doing these embarrassing things and laugh, also not realising what it was, then told everyone I was doing weird exercises and how funny it was. My aunt and my paternal grandparents fucked up my life from a very early age.

Despite my sensory issues, the same grandparent who didn't want me to be diagnosed would buy clothing that either didn't fit or was a nightmare to wear, that would make my skin itch and crawl, then have a yelling fit because I "didn't want to be pretty." My family made it loud and clear that I was abnormal and defective. When I was in primary school and my father died, his mother remarked that he never wanted children and that I wasn't supposed to have been born. They all hated my mother and took out their hatred of her on me.

As soon as I started puberty, I wouldn't even be allowed to wear shorts in my own house because I was told that I was, "looking like a whore." I would be told by my family members that I needed to wear makeup to make myself look prettier when I was about 11 or 12, and I hated it. Then whenever I tried to learn how to apply makeup once again I would be told that I was looking like a slut and a whore. I was forced to get cosmetic braces because I was told so many times that my teeth and face didn't look right, and the braces ended up not working after years and causing me issues.

I went through so much pain because my own family thought I was ugly and needed a cosmetic procedure to fix it, despite them occasionally flipping the switch and saying I was pretty/beautiful, they'd go right back to criticizing my appearance. My whole life, I have been mocked for how I look and have tried everything to fix it, only to realise I have what people call an "autism face". I have spent half my life trying skincare products, cosmetic enhancers like lash lifts, makeup styles, new clothes, etc only to be left with the reality that I am ugly and visibly weird looking due to bone structure and wide set eyes, stubby lashes, etc.

Childhood was not a carefree and happy time for me, throughout most of it. Because my mother abandoned me when I was a baby and my father was an alcoholic who died young, I was hot potatoed between grandparents and my aunt. My aunt was chronically ill, fed up with life, and an abusive person who would frequently act out and scream at you, get violent, give the silent treatment, and threaten to throw you out. Even as a baby, I would witness so much shouting and arguing in my home, that I would frequently cry from being afraid.

There were several years of my newly teenage life, after I was molested, where my family locked me inside, took me out of school, didn't allow me to socialise or go outside except to appointments once a month, and lied about me doing "home school" because they thought it was my fault I was getting molested by an older guy at my school. During this time I dealt with so much abuse and neglect from my relatives and had no way to escape it. This broke me beyond belief and made me selectively mute which took years to overcome.

Throughout my life, I've witnessed so much abuse, neglect, violence, and hatefulness. Even from age 11/12 I was groomed by older people online into sexual things I didn't understand, I was molested multiple times throughout my life and sexually abused, sometimes in subtle ways, and other times in violent ways. I was groomed by a 25 year old when I was in high school who abused me for several years and ruined my life. Before that, when I was around 15/16 I was in love with a 24 year old woman I met online who had flirted with me, groomed me, then made me feel completely inadequate because being gay was heavily stigmatized in her culture too- I was like a throwaway plaything to her.

My upbringing is a far cry from what most people experience, I think, and I've never been able to relate to others except a select few people. In spite of this, I've always worked hard on my social skills, desperate to improve them and to fit in. Over time I stopped being an anxious person, and gained the confidence to talk to people more and develop socially which had been robbed from me as a child. I forced myself into many uncomfortable situations in order to learn how to socialize, improving enough to where I had the courage to approach strangers.

However, I realized that other people are always going to pick up that something is off about me and judge me, or lose interest. Not only because my disability is so visible (and I also have physical health problems to contend with that make me sluggish, slow, and more akin to a zombie half the time) but because I am just not relatable to the average person who is neurotypical with a normal family life and decent health.

I spent years at university trying to build friendships, only to realize none of those friends even cared about me and only wanted me around for entertainment and convenience, even after I invested years of time into our interactions. It deeply hurt me because I cared about many of my friends and wanted them to care about me too, only to realize that I am on my own in this world and likely to become homeless again in the future because no one actually cares about me.

Whenever my friends learned about things like my lack of family, and my health problems, they would often say something like, "damn it sucks to be you!" then ignore it. Whenever I had major surgery I was completely alone for an entire month, save for my boyfriend yelling at me and complaining that he had to take care of me because I was completely crippled and couldn't do anything for myself for a long time.

That isn't even the worst part about all this though. About 3 and a half years ago I found a disability friendly part time job, and for the first time ever I was not getting yelled at or bullied in the workplace. I really like my job and try my best to be a helpful and friendly person even though I know none of my coworkers would ever be friends with me. I like to think that despite making mistakes that I am good at my job sometimes. One of my managers has always been nice to me because they are a bit eccentric themselves.

There are very few jobs that I physically can do, and I'm well aware of that. Whenever my job opened up some full time roles I was excited, because I want to reduce my dependence on my partner and see if I am able to work more hours if I had flexibility. Also, my employment contract will expire soon which means I can no longer work there part time anyway as it is a temporary role. My workplace is supposed to participate in a scheme where if a disabled person meets the bare minimum requirements for a job posting, then they will automatically be offered an interview.

Yet, I was rejected immediately from one of the roles, with no interview. I did not understand why, especially because I have been working with that particular team for almost 2 years, surely they would want to keep someone with experience? One of my co-workers even told me I should apply, but I think maybe she was just being polite. I did not think much about this and assumed maybe that many people applied for the role. That was until I got an interview for the other position.

I was really hopeful, until I realized another part time coworker who has been working there for about 8 months also has an interview. I happened to be working with them and they told me. However, then I also learned that one of the people conducting the interview is someone that they have been bffs with for years, text everyday, and go to each other's houses frequently.

I also learned that my manager who rejected me for the other position, and never responded to multiple attempts from me to ask for further training and skills development, personally approached my coworker (despite them never working in that team) and asked if they wanted to be trained to do their tasks. Coincidentally, I also asked for more training via mail around that time and was ghosted. Additionally, I learned that the hiring manager for the role we are interviewing for has been giving this person exclusive shifts in their particular team, basically priming them to take this job it feels like. I was never offered the opportunity to do this.

Don't get me wrong, they are a very kind and lovely person, and I think very deserving of these opportunities, but the entire situation feels unfair. I found out there are secret group chats at my work and social events that I have never once been invited to. It is very obvious that my coworker will get the job despite working there way less time than me. I have worked in multiple teams throughout my employment and know a whole lot about the organisation as a whole, so on paper I am qualified, but in reality I don't match the vibes or whatever. Life as an autistic person is an experience in permanent exclusion.

It would be different if there were many jobs I could do, but there simply aren't, while able bodied neurotypical people have the pick of the litter. I have very few options, especially because I am slow and dumb as opposed to a savant. I cannot "play the game" and no matter what my failures are seen as my own doing. Every day I have so many traumatic and upsetting memories running through my mind, and am dealing with chronic fatigue, brainfog, and often pain too, but I still have to plaster on a smile and try to be a functional working robot. But then because I am not loud, spontaneous and zany, people don't like me. It's one thing that this happens in my personal life, but it's barring me from employment too.

I am so sick of life, and the grandstanding lip service about how the world cares about disabilities. Multiple people have said cruel and harsh things to me, about how I am unlikeable, or not providing value to others, and it's my obligation to fix this and try to mask the fact that I'm autistic to make myself more presentable. How on earth am I supposed to do that? I already conceal so much information about my life. I have no energy and my cognitive abilities are shot. What could I possibly do to remedy that when my body is permanently on 5% battery?My life is insanely different to the average person's, with a distinct lack of common ground, and I can't fix that.

On one hand, I am being told to keep pushing and that if I just tried harder or had more confidence, life would be better, but my life just sucks because "I don't try." This completely baffles me, because my low self esteem is a direct consequence of how others treat me, if I am being included and valued, my self esteem is far better. My issues with socialising are not due to a lack of confidence, but not having access to the intrinsic manual that neurotypical people have in their brains that autistic people don't. It isn't that I'm afraid to say or do something, it's that I don't have anything to say in the first place. People don't comprehend this.

I don't understand why a person like me is not allowed to die painlessly. If I am going to be excluded my entire life, and forced to struggle, I do not see why I am forced to be alive. CTB is so hard, and I hate thinking about all the risks of failing another attempt. Recently when I accessed therapy again (useless like all the other times) I was in a very, I don't give a fuck mood, and said honestly that I have been suicidal for years and have just grown accustomed to it.

The therapist deadass replied, "Unfortunately, you've had a lot of time to learn how to cope with it. So dealing with it for a long time means you can handle it." Or something like that. I know it was meant to be comforting, but this made me feel worse. I shouldn't have to spend my entire life wanting to die, or making futile attempts to "cope" which no longer work as I've become an adult with more responsibilities and less support.

I've also been told by other people that I should change my expectations of life and I am unhappy because I have high expectations, but I need to learn to make do with small pleasures. This really pisses me off, because I feel like I have been robbed of just about everything in my life. I have almost no living family, I had to watch the few that did love me die, I have no close friends, I have no talents, I'm autistic, I'm ugly, men never wanted to get close with me without the ulterior motive of using me for sex, I have chronic misunderstood health problems, I have rare conditions that effect only a handful of people in the world, soon I will have no money too.

The only pleasure I have is the pleasure in knowing that someday I will finally die and this nightmare will be over. I have been doomed from the very beginning, and yet no one would ever voice this.
 
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shincyroneko

shincyroneko

Running from myself
Nov 7, 2023
14
Sending you a virtual hug (.づσ▿σ)づ.
 
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SuicidalTiger

SuicidalTiger

Life is the night, I seek the warmth of the sun.
Apr 18, 2024
109
I took a while to read this all. You've had a hard, shit life, and I feel nothing but sympathy and sorry for you.
I am 26, now, when I was 13, I invited a friend over, who I was comfortable masturbating with, in his cruel ways, whilst I was on my bed doing the deed, he placed a camera behind me and went on omegle, where an older man had been watching me, as a 13 year old boy, masturbate on his bed for a good half an hour. That friend disappeared soon after that.

Bullying was rife, by neurotypical people who sometimes feel like the fucking devil in disguise, even now I can't get a job despite being a fucking Ph.D. student in CS... Puberty was hard for me too... I hated and still hate the changes to my body...

For what it is worth, I am sorry and I hope you gain some peace.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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It really sounds like you've suffered a lot and I'm sorry you've had to suffer so unbearably in this cruel existence. But anyway I hope that you eventually find the peace you search for.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,740
I took a while to read this all. You've had a hard, shit life, and I feel nothing but sympathy and sorry for you.
I am 26, now, when I was 13, I invited a friend over, who I was comfortable masturbating with, in his cruel ways, whilst I was on my bed doing the deed, he placed a camera behind me and went on omegle, where an older man had been watching me, as a 13 year old boy, masturbate on his bed for a good half an hour. That friend disappeared soon after that.

Bullting was rife, by neurotypical people who sometimes feel like the fucking devil in disguise, even now I can't get a job despite being a fucking Ph.D. student in CS... Puberty was hard for me too... I hated and still hate the changes to my body...

For what it is worth, I am sorry and I hope you gain some peace.
I am so sorry this happened to you too, Omegle is awful and I'm glad that website is finally offline for good because there was so much exploitation and abuse going on there. I hope that you feel safer now and are away from people like that.

Unfortunately I have had similar things happen to me and so I understand how horrible and violating it is. My ex, who befriended me when I was 16, made me give him a blowjob the first time I was alone with him, when I was 17 and he was 25. I never done that before and he said he would train me to have sex, it left a bad taste in my mouth but others told I was finally "becoming a woman." He was only nice to me until he was done using me.

Little did I know as soon as I turned 18 my ex was taking photos of me naked and filming me having sex with him or talking to him about it, and was sending these pictures to his friends online. I saw a message where he told his friend he was keeping them as blackmail, so that if I ever dated anyone else he would show them the porn and pretend like it was recent. He also threatened me that he would print out the photos and mail them to my grandma and grandpa when my grandpa was dying, so that they would be deceived and think I was a sex worker.

After I got away from him he stalked me online for months and made a fake profile where he catfished me and pretended to be a local person in the area who was looking for friends and very interested in talking to me, to manipulate me and try to get me to send him more photos.

He even posted nude photos of me online on his public profile whenever I came out to my local friends about what he had done to me. My ex is a violent, low empathy, cunning, and manipulative person who has beaten one of his relatives to the point where they were hospitalised, and frequently commits crimes where he steals lots of goods from shops and from people he is friends with. He turned many people against me and convinced them I am mentally ill and crazy because he is charismatic and knows how to charm people. Even though I am far away from where he lives now, and it has been years since this happened, I am still so terrified he is going to post photos or videos of me online agai or hurt me.

I will soon have a master's degree so I also understand how much bullying there is in academia and how hard it is to find a job if you're autistic and constantly being judged by your social skills. I make too many mistakes to be able to work in the lab anymore, otherwise I would also want to do my PhD.

It is a real shame because with a PhD in computer science, you are obviously insanely intelligent and talented in an up and coming field. The people who deny you opportunities on account of disability are sleeping on talent because of their surface level judgements.
 
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steygrone

steygrone

I'm trash so I'm taking myself out
May 3, 2024
20
Being autistic people always use you. That's been my entire life, I'm so sorry to yall that have suffered as I've suffered too and still do. It's hard to trust anyone because you never know when people are legitimate or just there to laugh at you. I'm trying to ctb too, people guilt me out of it or out of quitting in general because "We need you". No one actually likes me, I'm here to be used. I'm tired of being used so I want to ctb.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,251
I feel similarly. After some plane crashes investigation reveals that the plane wss pretty much doomed to crash the second it left the ground whether it was due to inevitable mechanical failure or some other chain of events that would bring the plane down. That's definitely how I feel about my life. Like it was a plane that was destined to crash as soon as it took off (i.e. birth). In my case the cause was also autism and its myriad complications. Overall I don't feel I had a viable life at all and only made it this far rather artificially, as a function of a modern time and place. People could say it's a good thing to that people nowadays (in some places) don't have to sacrificed at the altar of natural selection but I'm not so convinced regarding my case as I didn't prove to have much of a chance anyways to warrant making it this far. So all I do is fantasize about how life could have been different, all day every day.

Otherwise I am also tired of this bullshit life in this bullshit world.
 
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fleshgarden

fleshgarden

Student
Mar 15, 2023
131
I'm sorry you experienced this type of life :(<3 if I knew you in real life I'd want to be friends.. I connect with a lot of what you have said, and it's awful that people like us are doomed to be permanently excluded .. I wish people weren't so confusingly evil because I think you and everyone else like us deserves so much better.. I don't know how it's amusing for multiple people to continuously strip down somebody and wear them out like this. at least there is comfort in knowing we are the least malicious people out of everyone on earth and it's not our fault.
 
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Pancake1230

Pancake1230

<3
May 17, 2024
56
I wish I could give you a hug. I'm also autistic, and it's hell trying to get through life like this. Bullying, sensory issues, harassment, misunderstandings, being used etc. It's all so much all the time.

I really hope things get better for you <3
 
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Red Moon

Red Moon

Warlock
Sep 21, 2022
722
I relate to some of the things you said, I also got diagnosed as a teenager, autistic, got bullied, don't know or having anything to say, I have no talents or friends either.

I don't think autistic people are meant for this world or at least I'm not. Sorry though.
 
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Disappointered

Disappointered

Enlightened
Sep 21, 2020
1,283
so horrible to read your story and I can relate to some of it...i'm sorry you've had to suffer so much and I hope you can find peace one way or another.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,740
I feel similarly. After some plane crashes investigation reveals that the plane wss pretty much doomed to crash the second it left the ground whether it was due to inevitable mechanical failure or some other chain of events that would bring the plane down. That's definitely how I feel about my life. Like it was a plane that was destined to crash as soon as it took off (i.e. birth). In my case the cause was also autism and its myriad complications. Overall I don't feel I had a viable life at all and only made it this far rather artificially, as a function of a modern time and place. People could say it's a good thing to that people nowadays (in some places) don't have to sacrificed at the altar of natural selection but I'm not so convinced regarding my case as I didn't prove to have much of a chance anyways to warrant making it this far. So all I do is fantasize about how life could have been different, all day every day.

Otherwise I am also tired of this bullshit life in this bullshit world.
I finally remembered what I was going to say to you, thanks my dumb slow brain.

The plane analogy is really good. In the end, a lot of us are just passengers along for the ride, and have very little control over whether life will be a complete disaster or not. Whenever it comes to autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders, that's all decided long before our birth, and many potential parents don't care to roll the dice with risk either even if they have a family history of incurable diseases. My mother was knee deep in extreme forms of MH treatment like ECT, and having chronic illnesses investigated while pregnant with me, whilst also fighting all the time with my alcoholic father. Not once did someone question if it was a good idea to have a baby while having electroconvulsive shock treatment and being on a litany of psych drugs. I feel like I was doomed from day one as well, coming from such an unstable lineage of people.

I do the exact same thing in regards to wishing life was different, sometimes I even dream about it. Going back in time, using the knowledge that I have now to learn how to mask at an early age and hopefully reverse some of this damage from happening. It's all wishful thinking though. The best I can hope for is some sort of black mirror esque VR game immersion experience where I can escape the current nightmare.

Some people may find it cruel, but I wholeheartedly relate to your sentiment about how 'unnatural' it feels to exist with a constellation of various disabilities and problems, and actually find the people who advocate for not trying to prevent or cure any of these things to be the henious ones. It gives the illusion of compassion, on their part, but none of these activists really care about how much you and me or any other autistic person who isn't a caricature of savantism has to struggle.

People harp on and on about progress, and how we have such a marvelous, equal world now, because everyone has a shot at life, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The modern world does use technology to preserve the gift of life in its basal state at all costs, but once that disabled life is born and starts to grow up, all that so-called compassion gets thrown out the window. Where are the resources trying to help all the mentally ill and disabled people who struggle to survive as adults? Oh right, they don't exist, except maybe in small corners of the world. It's all sophisticated lip service and an illusion of inclusion.

There's no natural selection at birth anymore, as pathologies incompatible with life will terminate a fetus in utero, and doctors will do anything to save a pregnancy even if the outcomes for that potential child will be grim health wise. Yet everyone knows, there will inevitably be the social selection of winners and losers by our fellow humans, so you may develop a whole slew of complicated conditions along the way due to genes and environment going awry that make surviving or connecting with other people who may aid in survival difficult, but hey, we should be so grateful to be alive, right? As I've said before, people are obsessed with the idea of life being sacred, but never stop to think about how many many be deprived of the things that make life worthwhile.

I'm sure you've heard of Temple Grandin before. She's an autistic professor who is an expert of animal behaviour, and is very vocal about her savant skills and how autism allows her to 'think in pictures'. She advocates extensively for higher functioning autistic people who have skills and talents, but thinks the lower functioning autistic people need to be wiped out. To quote her own book, "In an ideal world the scientist should find a method to prevent the most severe forms of autism but allow the milder forms to survive. After all, the really social people did not invent the first stone spear. It was probably invented by an Aspie who chipped away at rocks while the other people socialized around the campfire. Without autism traits we might still be living in caves."

She also believes that schizophrenia, autism, and depression exist in the gene pool (her own words) for a reason. Somehow this woman is often seen as the face of autistic empowerment, surely because of her talents and genius. Beneath the surface however, her attitude shows how little others care about disabled people unless we are bringing to the table some sort of obscure party trick or talent to prove our worth to them.

The neurodiversity movement is a complete solipsistic scam for this reason. They do not care about autistic people in institutions who have been abandoned by society for being non verbal or unable to care for themselves, or autistic people who are suicidal and get mistreated by the mental health industry like you and I, the autistic people getting shot up with antipsychotics like haldol in the psych wards for being afraid or having meltdowns, they don't care about the autistic people who become public spectacle circus acts for neurotypicals to laugh at on live TV (undateables, love on the spectrum) and they certainly don't care about the aging relatives of autistic people struggling to function who fear for what will happen to their loved one when they pass when they are no longer there to financially or emotionally support them.

Sometimes I wonder if life could be different for us, if people actually acknowledged autism as a disability again and treated it like the serious, life-altering disorder that it is. The sheer number of autistic people on this forum is a testament to that struggle. Whenever researchers try to better understand autism or what causes it, these supposedly compassionate people go full luddite mode, whine and throw a fit to get it shut down. This would have been an amazing study with potential to generate a wealth of knowledge that could benefit people's lives, but you guessed it, neurodiversity activists got it paused and likely suspended for good.

https://www.autism.org.uk/what-we-do/news/spectrum-10k

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, because you understand better than anyone else, but it often feels like (akin to those plane crashes) many people don't want to be whistleblowers or subvert the disasters, because it might cause an uncomfortable conversation leaving a bad taste in their mouth, a throttling of preconceived notions, or require an expensive financial investment. It's too late for me now, the damage has already been done, but I hope one day people will actually care about preventing or resolving autism again.
 
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lizzywizzy09

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May 11, 2024
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I can relate to a lot of this, I am so sorry. For me, bad childhood, undiagnosed autism and an undiagnosed childhood illness that never went treated. Match made in hell.
 
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J&L383

Wizard
Jul 18, 2023
628
It always feels like a slap in the face when you've worked hard in an attempt to overcome your problems, only to realise that they are permanent, life-long burdens, festering with time.

You can fight for years and years, but when that determination wavers due to an amalgamation of failures, it feels like others only see weakness rather than the steady stream of effort. Perhaps also, a person like me is just doomed to be labeled as defective no matter what I do.

I've talked about these things extensively here and feel like a broken record at this point, but I have nowhere else to turn to. I'm really at my limit, and also fed up with seeing basic advice everywhere I look.

My birthday is coming up, which at this point means that I have now been suicidal for over half of my entire life. You won't hear about people like me in that statistics regarding temporary problems, that's for sure. It's a bit hard to believe, to know that it's been over 12 years since I didn't have frequent urges to die. Especially over the past 4-5 years, the thought of death has crossed my mind almost every single day. What a life.

Though I'm wondering if it was always doomed before it's began. I have struggled since very early on in my childhood. I was not officially diagnosed with autism until I was a teenager, but as early as toddler age I was stimming and hand flapping, had obsessive and rigid interests and could only talk about my interest at the time, couldn't make eye contact, and had a very weird way of speaking.

It was obvious looking back, but I grew up in an extremely small town/village, and when a doctor in a city wanted to start the process of diagnosis one of my grandparents threw a hissy fit and refused for it to happen, because she hated disabled people and wouldn't believe I was one of them. When I did get diagnosed, her husband, my paternal grandfather said I couldn't be autistic because autistic people are violent, crazy, and need to be institutionalized.

I was bullied my entire adolescence, and never knew why people despised for so many years. It was like there was some weird aura about me people could sense, a mark that I was defective. I had no friends until I was 12, and as I got older people also frequently asked me out "as a joke" and would do cruel things to me as a prank to induce a meltdown. I was hit or dragged into a fight many times. Teachers would punish me for not making eye contact or call me lazy, and I was frequently told I shouldn't attempt further education and deserved to be in a trades course when I vehemently didn't want to do that. They thought I was stupid.

My own family would point and laugh at me for stimming and other autistic behaviours. I had to learn to hide my interests because my relatives constantly pointed out how weird I was, and how disappointed they were that I was not athletic and doing the things they wanted me to do. I was dyspraxic and couldn't tie my own shoes till 16, how could I ever be an athlete? Whenever I had a meltdown or got upset, up until about age 10 I'd be beaten with a belt over it until I had welts. If I was afraid, crying, and wouldn't do something, I'd get beaten until I complied. In the culture which I grew up in, it is seen as virtuous to beat or whip your children as punishment.

Whenever I got into cosplay and dressing up, my family would take pictures of me to post online and laugh at me, and I caught them red handed doing it. When I was molested by a doctor when I was around 5 or 6 years old I discovered crude ways of masturbation afterwards, not realising what I was doing initially. My aunt would watch me doing these embarrassing things and laugh, also not realising what it was, then told everyone I was doing weird exercises and how funny it was. My aunt and my paternal grandparents fucked up my life from a very early age.

Despite my sensory issues, the same grandparent who didn't want me to be diagnosed would buy clothing that either didn't fit or was a nightmare to wear, that would make my skin itch and crawl, then have a yelling fit because I "didn't want to be pretty." My family made it loud and clear that I was abnormal and defective. When I was in primary school and my father died, his mother remarked that he never wanted children and that I wasn't supposed to have been born. They all hated my mother and took out their hatred of her on me.

As soon as I started puberty, I wouldn't even be allowed to wear shorts in my own house because I was told that I was, "looking like a whore." I would be told by my family members that I needed to wear makeup to make myself look prettier when I was about 11 or 12, and I hated it. Then whenever I tried to learn how to apply makeup once again I would be told that I was looking like a slut and a whore. I was forced to get cosmetic braces because I was told so many times that my teeth and face didn't look right, and the braces ended up not working after years and causing me issues.

I went through so much pain because my own family thought I was ugly and needed a cosmetic procedure to fix it, despite them occasionally flipping the switch and saying I was pretty/beautiful, they'd go right back to criticizing my appearance. My whole life, I have been mocked for how I look and have tried everything to fix it, only to realise I have what people call an "autism face". I have spent half my life trying skincare products, cosmetic enhancers like lash lifts, makeup styles, new clothes, etc only to be left with the reality that I am ugly and visibly weird looking due to bone structure and wide set eyes, stubby lashes, etc.

Childhood was not a carefree and happy time for me, throughout most of it. Because my mother abandoned me when I was a baby and my father was an alcoholic who died young, I was hot potatoed between grandparents and my aunt. My aunt was chronically ill, fed up with life, and an abusive person who would frequently act out and scream at you, get violent, give the silent treatment, and threaten to throw you out. Even as a baby, I would witness so much shouting and arguing in my home, that I would frequently cry from being afraid.

There were several years of my newly teenage life, after I was molested, where my family locked me inside, took me out of school, didn't allow me to socialise or go outside except to appointments once a month, and lied about me doing "home school" because they thought it was my fault I was getting molested by an older guy at my school. During this time I dealt with so much abuse and neglect from my relatives and had no way to escape it. This broke me beyond belief and made me selectively mute which took years to overcome.

Throughout my life, I've witnessed so much abuse, neglect, violence, and hatefulness. Even from age 11/12 I was groomed by older people online into sexual things I didn't understand, I was molested multiple times throughout my life and sexually abused, sometimes in subtle ways, and other times in violent ways. I was groomed by a 25 year old when I was in high school who abused me for several years and ruined my life. Before that, when I was around 15/16 I was in love with a 24 year old woman I met online who had flirted with me, groomed me, then made me feel completely inadequate because being gay was heavily stigmatized in her culture too- I was like a throwaway plaything to her.

My upbringing is a far cry from what most people experience, I think, and I've never been able to relate to others except a select few people. In spite of this, I've always worked hard on my social skills, desperate to improve them and to fit in. Over time I stopped being an anxious person, and gained the confidence to talk to people more and develop socially which had been robbed from me as a child. I forced myself into many uncomfortable situations in order to learn how to socialize, improving enough to where I had the courage to approach strangers.

However, I realized that other people are always going to pick up that something is off about me and judge me, or lose interest. Not only because my disability is so visible (and I also have physical health problems to contend with that make me sluggish, slow, and more akin to a zombie half the time) but because I am just not relatable to the average person who is neurotypical with a normal family life and decent health.

I spent years at university trying to build friendships, only to realize none of those friends even cared about me and only wanted me around for entertainment and convenience, even after I invested years of time into our interactions. It deeply hurt me because I cared about many of my friends and wanted them to care about me too, only to realize that I am on my own in this world and likely to become homeless again in the future because no one actually cares about me.

Whenever my friends learned about things like my lack of family, and my health problems, they would often say something like, "damn it sucks to be you!" then ignore it. Whenever I had major surgery I was completely alone for an entire month, save for my boyfriend yelling at me and complaining that he had to take care of me because I was completely crippled and couldn't do anything for myself for a long time.

That isn't even the worst part about all this though. About 3 and a half years ago I found a disability friendly part time job, and for the first time ever I was not getting yelled at or bullied in the workplace. I really like my job and try my best to be a helpful and friendly person even though I know none of my coworkers would ever be friends with me. I like to think that despite making mistakes that I am good at my job sometimes. One of my managers has always been nice to me because they are a bit eccentric themselves.

There are very few jobs that I physically can do, and I'm well aware of that. Whenever my job opened up some full time roles I was excited, because I want to reduce my dependence on my partner and see if I am able to work more hours if I had flexibility. Also, my employment contract will expire soon which means I can no longer work there part time anyway as it is a temporary role. My workplace is supposed to participate in a scheme where if a disabled person meets the bare minimum requirements for a job posting, then they will automatically be offered an interview.

Yet, I was rejected immediately from one of the roles, with no interview. I did not understand why, especially because I have been working with that particular team for almost 2 years, surely they would want to keep someone with experience? One of my co-workers even told me I should apply, but I think maybe she was just being polite. I did not think much about this and assumed maybe that many people applied for the role. That was until I got an interview for the other position.

I was really hopeful, until I realized another part time coworker who has been working there for about 8 months also has an interview. I happened to be working with them and they told me. However, then I also learned that one of the people conducting the interview is someone that they have been bffs with for years, text everyday, and go to each other's houses frequently.

I also learned that my manager who rejected me for the other position, and never responded to multiple attempts from me to ask for further training and skills development, personally approached my coworker (despite them never working in that team) and asked if they wanted to be trained to do their tasks. Coincidentally, I also asked for more training via mail around that time and was ghosted. Additionally, I learned that the hiring manager for the role we are interviewing for has been giving this person exclusive shifts in their particular team, basically priming them to take this job it feels like. I was never offered the opportunity to do this.

Don't get me wrong, they are a very kind and lovely person, and I think very deserving of these opportunities, but the entire situation feels unfair. I found out there are secret group chats at my work and social events that I have never once been invited to. It is very obvious that my coworker will get the job despite working there way less time than me. I have worked in multiple teams throughout my employment and know a whole lot about the organisation as a whole, so on paper I am qualified, but in reality I don't match the vibes or whatever. Life as an autistic person is an experience in permanent exclusion.

It would be different if there were many jobs I could do, but there simply aren't, while able bodied neurotypical people have the pick of the litter. I have very few options, especially because I am slow and dumb as opposed to a savant. I cannot "play the game" and no matter what my failures are seen as my own doing. Every day I have so many traumatic and upsetting memories running through my mind, and am dealing with chronic fatigue, brainfog, and often pain too, but I still have to plaster on a smile and try to be a functional working robot. But then because I am not loud, spontaneous and zany, people don't like me. It's one thing that this happens in my personal life, but it's barring me from employment too.

I am so sick of life, and the grandstanding lip service about how the world cares about disabilities. Multiple people have said cruel and harsh things to me, about how I am unlikeable, or not providing value to others, and it's my obligation to fix this and try to mask the fact that I'm autistic to make myself more presentable. How on earth am I supposed to do that? I already conceal so much information about my life. I have no energy and my cognitive abilities are shot. What could I possibly do to remedy that when my body is permanently on 5% battery?My life is insanely different to the average person's, with a distinct lack of common ground, and I can't fix that.

On one hand, I am being told to keep pushing and that if I just tried harder or had more confidence, life would be better, but my life just sucks because "I don't try." This completely baffles me, because my low self esteem is a direct consequence of how others treat me, if I am being included and valued, my self esteem is far better. My issues with socialising are not due to a lack of confidence, but not having access to the intrinsic manual that neurotypical people have in their brains that autistic people don't. It isn't that I'm afraid to say or do something, it's that I don't have anything to say in the first place. People don't comprehend this.

I don't understand why a person like me is not allowed to die painlessly. If I am going to be excluded my entire life, and forced to struggle, I do not see why I am forced to be alive. CTB is so hard, and I hate thinking about all the risks of failing another attempt. Recently when I accessed therapy again (useless like all the other times) I was in a very, I don't give a fuck mood, and said honestly that I have been suicidal for years and have just grown accustomed to it.

The therapist deadass replied, "Unfortunately, you've had a lot of time to learn how to cope with it. So dealing with it for a long time means you can handle it." Or something like that. I know it was meant to be comforting, but this made me feel worse. I shouldn't have to spend my entire life wanting to die, or making futile attempts to "cope" which no longer work as I've become an adult with more responsibilities and less support.

I've also been told by other people that I should change my expectations of life and I am unhappy because I have high expectations, but I need to learn to make do with small pleasures. This really pisses me off, because I feel like I have been robbed of just about everything in my life. I have almost no living family, I had to watch the few that did love me die, I have no close friends, I have no talents, I'm autistic, I'm ugly, men never wanted to get close with me without the ulterior motive of using me for sex, I have chronic misunderstood health problems, I have rare conditions that effect only a handful of people in the world, soon I will have no money too.

The only pleasure I have is the pleasure in knowing that someday I will finally die and this nightmare will be over. I have been doomed from the very beginning, and yet no one would ever voice this.
You have definitely had a tough go of it! I'm so sorry. I understand how your pleasure is the pleasure knowing that someday it will be over. I'm looking forward to that also. It will be a great sigh of relief. 🤗
 
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I finally remembered what I was going to say to you, thanks my dumb slow brain.
Your brain is like a jack-in-the-box then. It needs a bit of winding but it's ready it POPs.

I finally remembered what I was going to say to you, thanks my dumb slow brain.

The plane analogy is really good. In the end, a lot of us are just passengers along for the ride, and have very little control over whether life will be a complete disaster or not. Whenever it comes to autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders, that's all decided long before our birth, and many potential parents don't care to roll the dice with risk either even if they have a family history of incurable diseases. My mother was knee deep in extreme forms of MH treatment like ECT, and having chronic illnesses investigated while pregnant with me, whilst also fighting all the time with my alcoholic father. Not once did someone question if it was a good idea to have a baby while having electroconvulsive shock treatment and being on a litany of psych drugs. I feel like I was doomed from day one as well, coming from such an unstable lineage of people.
It's a morbid topic but I had a brief period a little while back of researching plane crashes. I thought it would actually be helpful to deal with the idea death some more (even though I have had a very long time to get habituated to that). Plane crashes are the epitome of very rare, random, and devastating events that wipe out a lot of people at once who are brought together by chance who happened to be at the wrong place and wrong time. If they boarded a plane, that means they had somewhere to go, someone to see, or something to do. They had a purpose in life and that was annihilated summarily. So researching those events sort of was helpful, to an extent, if I may be irreverent, in reconciling my personal misfortune with the tragic nature of life. And that's when I learned that some after investigation it becomes clear that some planes crashes could have been averted if different actions had been taken aboard but others were more or less doomed to plummet to the ground from the moment they left it. And that was a novel way to imagine my life.

My father is the epitome of normal when it comes to mental health but my mother is..well....not, just to put it vaguely and diplomatically. I've already revealed stuff here that makes that clear. I know there is a strain of neurodivergence in her family because she has clear autistic traits (not the full-fledged thing) and more significantly, I have a 1st cousin on her side with it. Actually I guess we can't all declare autistic people as miserable because he seems to faring okay. I don't really know because our families have been estranged for a long time although his greater relative success could be due to the fact that he has a lucrative tech aptitude/passion that I just don't have and, as is my impression, he may nog have been so severely psychiatrica
I finally remembered what I was going to say to you, thanks my dumb slow brain.

The plane analogy is really good. In the end, a lot of us are just passengers along for the ride, and have very little control over whether life will be a complete disaster or not. Whenever it comes to autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders, that's all decided long before our birth, and many potential parents don't care to roll the dice with risk either even if they have a family history of incurable diseases. My mother was knee deep in extreme forms of MH treatment like ECT, and having chronic illnesses investigated while pregnant with me, whilst also fighting all the time with my alcoholic father. Not once did someone question if it was a good idea to have a baby while having electroconvulsive shock treatment and being on a litany of psych drugs. I feel like I was doomed from day one as well, coming from such an unstable lineage of people.

I do the exact same thing in regards to wishing life was different, sometimes I even dream about it. Going back in time, using the knowledge that I have now to learn how to mask at an early age and hopefully reverse some of this damage from happening. It's all wishful thinking though. The best I can hope for is some sort of black mirror esque VR game immersion experience where I can escape the current nightmare.

Some people may find it cruel, but I wholeheartedly relate to your sentiment about how 'unnatural' it feels to exist with a constellation of various disabilities and problems, and actually find the people who advocate for not trying to prevent or cure any of these things to be the henious ones. It gives the illusion of compassion, on their part, but none of these activists really care about how much you and me or any other autistic person who isn't a caricature of savantism has to struggle.

People harp on and on about progress, and how we have such a marvelous, equal world now, because everyone has a shot at life, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The modern world does use technology to preserve the gift of life in its basal state at all costs, but once that disabled life is born and starts to grow up, all that so-called compassion gets thrown out the window. Where are the resources trying to help all the mentally ill and disabled people who struggle to survive as adults? Oh right, they don't exist, except maybe in small corners of the world. It's all sophisticated lip service and an illusion of inclusion.

There's no natural selection at birth anymore, as pathologies incompatible with life will terminate a fetus in utero, and doctors will do anything to save a pregnancy even if the outcomes for that potential child will be grim health wise. Yet everyone knows, there will inevitably be the social selection of winners and losers by our fellow humans, so you may develop a whole slew of complicated conditions along the way due to genes and environment going awry that make surviving or connecting with other people who may aid in survival difficult, but hey, we should be so grateful to be alive, right? As I've said before, people are obsessed with the idea of life being sacred, but never stop to think about how many many be deprived of the things that make life worthwhile.

I'm sure you've heard of Temple Grandin before. She's an autistic professor who is an expert of animal behaviour, and is very vocal about her savant skills and how autism allows her to 'think in pictures'. She advocates extensively for higher functioning autistic people who have skills and talents, but thinks the lower functioning autistic people need to be wiped out. To quote her own book, "In an ideal world the scientist should find a method to prevent the most severe forms of autism but allow the milder forms to survive. After all, the really social people did not invent the first stone spear. It was probably invented by an Aspie who chipped away at rocks while the other people socialized around the campfire. Without autism traits we might still be living in caves."

She also believes that schizophrenia, autism, and depression exist in the gene pool (her own words) for a reason. Somehow this woman is often seen as the face of autistic empowerment, surely because of her talents and genius. Beneath the surface however, her attitude shows how little others care about disabled people unless we are bringing to the table some sort of obscure party trick or talent to prove our worth to them.

The neurodiversity movement is a complete solipsistic scam for this reason. They do not care about autistic people in institutions who have been abandoned by society for being non verbal or unable to care for themselves, or autistic people who are suicidal and get mistreated by the mental health industry like you and I, the autistic people getting shot up with antipsychotics like haldol in the psych wards for being afraid or having meltdowns, they don't care about the autistic people who become public spectacle circus acts for neurotypicals to laugh at on live TV (undateables, love on the spectrum) and they certainly don't care about the aging relatives of autistic people struggling to function who fear for what will happen to their loved one when they pass when they are no longer there to financially or emotionally support them.

Sometimes I wonder if life could be different for us, if people actually acknowledged autism as a disability again and treated it like the serious, life-altering disorder that it is. The sheer number of autistic people on this forum is a testament to that struggle. Whenever researchers try to better understand autism or what causes it, these supposedly compassionate people go full luddite mode, whine and throw a fit to get it shut down. This would have been an amazing study with potential to generate a wealth of knowledge that could benefit people's lives, but you guessed it, neurodiversity activists got it paused and likely suspended for good.

https://www.autism.org.uk/what-we-do/news/spectrum-10k

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, because you understand better than anyone else, but it often feels like (akin to those plane crashes) many people don't want to be whistleblowers or subvert the disasters, because it might cause an uncomfortable conversation leaving a bad taste in their mouth, a throttling of preconceived notions, or require an expensive financial investment. It's too late for me now, the damage has already been done, but I hope one day people will actually care about preventing or resolving autism again.

lly afflicted as I was. But everyone is different and I don't really have a full up-to-date picture. But yes, I feel confident that my autism can be traced to her. I am a twin with a NT brother who dominated the placenta such that he weighed more than a whole pound at a birth. The etiology of autism is shrouded in mystery still but I feel that our different experiences in utero had.something to do with my case. They admit that twins was really difficult for them which makes me feel even more like a glitch .

I do the exact same thing in regards to wishing life was different, sometimes I even dream about it. Going back in time, using the knowledge that I have now to learn how to mask at an early age and hopefully reverse some of this damage from happening. It's all wishful thinking though. The best I can hope for is some sort of black mirror esque VR game immersion experience where I can escape the current nightmare.


It's a horrible feeling! Though the technofuture fills me with dread rather than optimism.

I'm sure you've heard of Temple Grandin before. She's an autistic professor who is an expert of animal behaviour, and is very vocal about her savant skills and how autism allows her to 'think in pictures'. She advocates extensively for higher functioning autistic people who have skills and talents, but thinks the lower functioning autistic people need to be wiped out. To quote her own book, "In an ideal world the scientist should find a method to prevent the most severe forms of autism but allow the milder forms to survive. After all, the really social people did not invent the first stone spear. It was probably invented by an Aspie who chipped away at rocks while the other people socialized around the campfire. Without autism traits we might still be living in caves."

Lol, I really doubt people would have just stuck around and chatting while they starved. I know people tout the idea of autism being necessary for human innovation and progress but I really doubt that is true. Maybe it lends itself particularly well to some things in some cases but I really don't think anything is the exclusive preserve of autistic people and I don't think anything ever depended on artistic people. The smartest guy I have ever known with whom I particpated in academic competitions back in high school is an programmer and engineer extraordinaire but is NT as fuck with all the access to things that implies. And there is no shortage of similar people. He is the type of person that will get humanity on Mars or some shit.

I think Grandin's perspective is informed by the fact that if I recall she technically doesn't have Asperger's (or what would have been called such) but is a true savant. Though I do also think that autism should be eliminated (as in prophylaxis, not genocide, keep clutching them pearls!). I don't think its valuable and there is nothing that NTs cannot do, particularly those who may be close to the spectrum but without the impairments or just have similar traits. I saw the opinion that autism should be kept around because it's "necessary for innovation", a point which I already addressed, but that implies that people like us should be collateral damage which is not cool at all.

I personally don't think as far as my case goes that anything in the past would have budged the inevitable outcome or that any change on society's part as to how it views this condition would make any difference. The American government already considers me disabled.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, because you understand better than anyone else, but it often feels like (akin to those plane crashes) many people don't want to be whistleblowers or subvert the disasters, because it might cause an uncomfortable conversation leaving a bad taste in their mouth, a throttling of preconceived notions, or require an expensive financial investment. It's too late for me now, the damage has already been done, but I hope one day people will actually care about preventing or resolving autism again.
More lime preaching to the Pope :).
 
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As someone struggling to reconcile with the affect their autism/anxiety and depression has had on their family and life overall, this post really reverberates with me. Thank you for posting it.

I've been privileged to have supportive family, but the pressures of capitalism and the difficulty involved in forming true connections with others has gotten to me immensely.
 
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The neurodiversity movement is a complete solipsistic scam for this reason. They do not care about autistic people in institutions who have been abandoned by society for being non verbal or unable to care for themselves, or autistic people who are suicidal and get mistreated by the mental health industry like you and I, the autistic people getting shot up with antipsychotics like haldol in the psych wards for being afraid or having meltdowns, they don't care about the autistic people who become public spectacle circus acts for neurotypicals to laugh at on live TV (undateables, love on the spectrum) and they certainly don't care about the aging relatives of autistic people struggling to function who fear for what will happen to their loved one when they pass when they are no longer there to financially or emotionally support them.
My vision is getting rough and I read the word solipsistic as sociopathic - and you know what? That word fits. Fuck Temple Grandin and fuck the "neurodiversity activists." The only people they are advocating for are themselves. Themselves being like you said - either savants or those on the far minor side of the Autistic or other mental disability spectrum who are treatable and can have viable lives.

It's no different than the conservative attitude of "FUCK YOU, GOT MINE." We get paid hand over fist because we get a million TikTok likes being "Disability activists" talking about how "special we are because of minor quirks due to very mildly disabled, so fuck the severely autistic boy rotting in his own filth whose been abandoned by his parents because they didn't feel like dealing with him anymore, or look at me, I'm a savant who can paint beautiful pictures! Why would we need an autism cure? The woman who has half the mental faculties I do who has to engage in soul-crushing survival sex work just needs to try harder! And people on the Schizoid Spectrum they should just...I dunno! I have to go! Please like, subscribe and donate to my Patreon!"

Have you ever seen the short film "Dasein Ohne Leben"? (Existence Without Life) To quote it: "The mentally incurable...Is it not a sacred demand to deliver those who cannot be healed to a merciful death? Shall we just let them suffer years, decades, unto old age? I would rather die." MFW actual Nazis put more thought and empathy into the handling of the incurably disabled than disability activists. Maybe I'm a monster but I connected more with that film than with a damn thing any disability activist who claims to speak for me has ever said. I'm not condoning Nazis, it's just my personal view that a group of people who kill is bad, but a group of grifters who advocate for forcing people to stay alive under torturous conditions is worse. It's a horrible thing to say, but after 35 years of psychological torture from Psychiatrists.... I'd rather have this: https://altcensored.com/watch?v=N0pgrAPC2Fo

I write that fully risking that people here may think I'm a monster for even thinking it, but after having been locked up in institutions with no stimuli for months at a time and being forcibly drugged with drugs that put me in a state of indescribable terror, not knowing if I would be locked up for months, years, or the rest of my life (in the US State I live in, there are no limits to how long a Psychiatrists can hold someone) and seeing the sadistic joy my terror brought some of these filthy, subhuman Psychiatrists- I would 100% feel much safer with the German doctor in that short film than an American Psychiatrist.

I'm not a Nazi. I just write this from the perspective of someone who has spent a lot of time around people who were worse than Nazis.