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EVERYONE SHOULD BE ALARMED AND THIS IS WHY ;To prohibit the use of mail or interstate communications to assist suicide, and for other purposes.
I'm not a lawyer, but studied law for many years. The largest problem I see with this bill stands out in the first lines of its execution. AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES- YES THE FORUMS THEMSLEVES CAN BE INCLUDED IN THIS LAW; because anything vague like this can be interpreted by an individual judge based on their own personal opinions regarding the subject matter. IE; SUICIDE- FORUMS COULD BE SEEN AS AN INFLUENCE ON AN INDIVIDUAL TO TAKE THAT ROUTE AND BE BANNED. Once a ruling has been made it can then be used to set precedents and change the law again. This leaves so many possibilities open that they are incomprehensible. That's exactly why this single statement is so vague. Plus this is only a draft, revisions will be made and the finality is not set. This is BEYOND slippery and sneaky and most people who have no understanding of how things unthinkable are passed don't understand its all in the language being used. If there is something this vague included in the law, it's not just aiming for one agenda. It can aim for any agenda under suicide discussions and be interpreted with finality and adjustments-period. The language of this bill only talks about assisted suicides- that is not what the bill itself states in the title alone. If anyone views these forums as a means to collaborate-facilitate-discuss- encourage- or support these rights- WE SHOULD ALL BE WORRIED. The majority of the world believes these conversations encourage the act itself when they are usually therapeutic and a way to connect with others having similar problems, But in the general public these are not conversations to be had with anyone but licensed individuals that some people cannot access. For the most part the world agrees- birds of a feather flock together and misery loves company. (Get a bunch of depressed suicidal people together talking and what will the masses say about it?) These sites could be taken down and it would be another oppressive action taken by those who have no understanding for its need. It could/would set people suffering back even further by slamming another door. Yes, the forums could be made criminal. The title of the bill itself is inclusive of all suicide discussions through any kind o mail- email- post, fed, etc, and any interstate communications= and other purposes- OTHER PURPOSES. To prohibit the use of mail or interstate communications to assist suicide, and for other purposes. The word ASSIST is also something a judge can determine the meaning of. Just talking about it could be viewed as damaging and assisting someone. This was a reply to another post, but it ticks me off so much I had to make sure it would be seen. Its sneaky and makes my blood boil because it looks harmless- IT IS NOT HARMLESS OR AIMED SOLELY AT THOSE SEEKING A MEDICALLY AIDED SUICIDE- AND I DONT AGREE WITH THEM TRYING TO BAN THAT EITHER. IF SOMONEIS TERMIMAL THEY HAVE AS MUCH RIGHT TO THE CHOICE AS ANYONE ELSE. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD- FIGHT IT
 
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EVERYONE SHOULD BE ALARMED AND THIS IS WHY ;To prohibit the use of mail or interstate communications to assist suicide, and for other purposes.
I'm not a lawyer, but studied law for many years. The largest problem I see with this bill stands out in the first lines of its execution. AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES- YES THE FORUMS THEMSLEVES CAN BE INCLUDED IN THIS LAW; because anything vague like this can be interpreted by an individual judge based on their own personal opinions regarding the subject matter. IE; SUICIDE- FORUMS COULD BE SEEN AS AN INFLUENCE ON AN INDIVIDUAL TO TAKE THAT ROUTE AND BE BANNED. Once a ruling has been made it can then be used to set precedents and change the law again. This leaves so many possibilities open that they are incomprehensible. That's exactly why this single statement is so vague. Plus this is only a draft, revisions will be made and the finality is not set. This is BEYOND slippery and sneaky and most people who have no understanding of how things unthinkable are passed don't understand its all in the language being used. If there is something this vague included in the law, it's not just aiming for one agenda. It can aim for any agenda under suicide discussions and be interpreted with finality and adjustments-period. The language of this bill only talks about assisted suicides- that is not what the bill itself states in the title alone. If anyone views these forums as a means to collaborate-facilitate-discuss- encourage- or support these rights- WE SHOULD ALL BE WORRIED. The majority of the world believes these conversations encourage the act itself when they are usually therapeutic and a way to connect with others having similar problems, But in the general public these are not conversations to be had with anyone but licensed individuals that some people cannot access. For the most part the world agrees- birds of a feather flock together and misery loves company. (Get a bunch of depressed suicidal people together talking and what will the masses say about it?) These sites could be taken down and it would be another oppressive action taken by those who have no understanding for its need. It could/would set people suffering back even further by slamming another door. Yes, the forums could be made criminal. The title of the bill itself is inclusive of all suicide discussions through any kind o mail- email- post, fed, etc, and any interstate communications= and other purposes- OTHER PURPOSES. To prohibit the use of mail or interstate communications to assist suicide, and for other purposes. The word ASSIST is also something a judge can determine the meaning of. Just talking about it could be viewed as damaging and assisting someone. This was a reply to another post, but it ticks me off so much I had to make sure it would be seen. Its sneaky and makes my blood boil because it looks harmless- IT IS NOT HARMLESS OR AIMED SOLELY AT THOSE SEEKING A MEDICALLY AIDED SUICIDE- AND I DONT AGREE WITH THEM TRYING TO BAN THAT EITHER. IF SOMONEIS TERMIMAL THEY HAVE AS MUCH RIGHT TO THE CHOICE AS ANYONE ELSE. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD- FIGHT IT
Perhaps those people behind this hateful bill should experience assisted suicide?
 
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If I recall correctly, there isn't much that can be done.. Is there? If we can't change anything then it's best not to fill our already stressed-filled days with more stress. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

It's not like there aren't ideas here to.. Yknow.. Circumvent things. People have suggested TOR sites, or separating the forum into two: method discussion, and suicidal thoughts discussion.. I don't know.

I just think it's not the best idea to strike fear in a people that are already feeling cornered in their life.
 
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Well there might be ways around accessing and keeping the forum but that's only a single part of the connotations of this. The issue is that they're trying to make it illegal and with it opem the doors to further impede a persons rights..

I don't think it's fear mongering to point out the currently unseen oncoming storm. If you want to turn away from it and let it wash over you that is entirely your right.