[Article] Prolifers (by default) would be an automatic reason to CTB

[TAW122]

Note: I still stand by my current stance of not having/needing a reason to CTB and that "reasons" for CTB'ing (or lack thereof) are secondary in relation to the right to die itself.

To start off, the title is a bit awkwardly worded (and it would be too long if I typed out the whole thing), so I thought I'd spend a bit of time clarifying and explaining what I mean. The meaning of the title and this article is about how prolifers themselves and their prolife stance as well as their sentiment, are by default, automatically a reason for some of us here (as well as those outside of this forum) to CTB, if anyone needed a reason. In other words, prolifers themselves already supply us a reason to CTB (if we were looking for 'a reason').

With that said, if they (pro-lifers) really want to help us and not make us suffer, then they should take inspiration from SaSu way of handling the topic of CTB. This means not making talk of CTB taboo, not creating fake safety spaces (where it's only 'safe' according to them and if they feel, believe, or otherwise suspect that one may CTB, they immediately violate the pro-choicers' wishes in the name of CTB prevention - even if it is unjustified), and not fake de-stigmatization campaigns (by selling false narratives about 'care' when they actually just want to control others to bend to their belief system).

How would they achieve this and take inspiration? On our platform, SaSu, most of the community (excluding infiltrators, trolls, and other people) are actually listening to the person, not gaslighting, not only selectively picking parts that are relevant while fishing for ammo to use against the person, etc. Those would be the start towards progress and actually helping others tolerate life a bit more rather than imposing help on those who don't want it.

Anyways so back to the topic at hand. As it currently stands, even in 2023, present day, the attitude of prolifers is aggressively imposing their belief system on everyone, moreso on those who don't agree with them (pro-choicers, people similar to us). This alone would act as a reason ever more so to want to check out of this world, this tormenting existence that we call 'life'. By forcing others to partake in the game of life without any option to exit (barring maybe terminal illnesses and very special circumstances), that alone is a fundamental reason to check out. When one is not forced to participate in the game of life (or anything) then it becomes more liberating and perhaps some people may even decide to continue living if they know for any reason, at any time, they are afforded the (viable and accessible) option to check out peacefully and with dignity. So until prolifers change their stance and approach towards pro-choicers and people who don't share their sentiments, there will always be a default reason to CTB (even if there is no personal reason for the individual).

 

[ksp]

agree with all your points !

pro-lifers are extremely detrimental to society, with their imposed irrationality
they are effectively pushing people to commit suicide

they disrespect basic human rights, with extreme rigidity - basically 'extremists'

i like FuneralCry's description: 'pro-suffering'

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, I certainly believe that pro life type people just make the world a way worse place and just create more suffering than already exists. It's awful enough the fact that we were all unfairly forced into this terrible world where everything is determined by chance and we can potentially be tortured to such extreme extents, but it's made way worse by the expectation that society holds that no matter what we must continue to endure this existence.

It's harmful how life is seen as something to always be prolonged rather than being a personal choice leading to the restriction of suicide methods and the potential for other people to interfere with suicide attempts. Just the attitudes that society holds towards refusing to delay our inevitable fate definitely makes me want to be free from this prison like existence even more. If people wish to exist then that is up to them but people should have no right to force their pro suffering and life valuing beliefs onto others. To me, it's disgusting the lack of legalised peaceful methods and euthanasia options.

 

[TAW122]

To me, it's disgusting the lack of legalised peaceful methods and euthanasia options.

This alone would act as an automatic reason for me to want to CTB (among other reasons I have). The lack of an 'real' option to opt out of the game of life that no human ever consenting to play in the first place.