[Article] One of the most dangerous things pro-lifers/anti-choicers do is ...

[TAW122]

Note: Title truncated due to character limit in the title field and also excessively long title. So the full title name is: One of the most dangerous things pro-lifers/anti-choicers do is "scoping and scouting out signs of potential CTB'ing, as well as pro-choicers' vernacular, terms, and language."

Throughout most of my life, and as I grew older, I oftenly see the world becoming more and more draconian, dystopic, and even Orwellian as well as more censored when it comes to certain rights and what not. This is certainly true especially given the entire SN situation recently, it is yet another example of pro-lifers, anti-choicers, and prohibitionists acting on signs as well as potential (not imminent!) CTBs and infringing on the rights of pro-choicers. It doesn't make things better, but instead makes it worse.

I remember back in the earlier days of my childhood, the preventionists, prohibitionists, and anti-choicers (aka pro-lifers) existed, but they are nowhere as invasive, aggressive, persistent, and/or everywhere as they are in the recent decade or so. I suppose in the past there are generally focused on their main goal, preventing CTB, but they did not invade every aspect of one's lift. It wasn't until the late 90's and early 2000's that the preventionists, prohibitionists, and anti-choicers became more mainstream and prolific. I believe ever since the Internet became more accessible and what not, the preventionists started to promote themselves more and more, putting their stupid hotline (way before it was shortened to three-digits) on just about anything that could relate to CTB. At that time, it was still no where as bad as it was in the last decade or so, but also probably because places like Reddit's SaSu and forum SaSu did not exist.

Mini-story of my prediction and worry (from back in 2019):
Back in 2019, to which I considered one of the better, more tolerable times in my existence, I had a good friend as some of the older members here may recall him @TiredHorse (he wrote the ExitBag and Nitrogen megathread) and also, me and him gotten to be fairly close. We both had many good discussions about rationality and whether life itself is rational and what not, and one of the topics was about the future of the world and the state of the world itself, potentially getting worse and about checking out before it becomes (almost) impossible to do so in the future. In short, both me and him have arrived at the conclusion that things will likely progressively get worse, and quite frankly (I've said it before numerous times, and I'll say it again.), I wished I had CTB'd in 2019. While I would likely miss many milestones that I have in present day, at least I wouldn't find myself in a situation where CTB'ing becomes harder and harder each passing day as well as the ever-growing draconian grip that pro-life society has and continue to.

So back to present day, in 2023, given what has happened with the recent events (yes, referring to SN situation), it wouldn't surprise me that pro-lifers decide to further scope out and even start profiling signs and factors that one may be "at risk" for CTB rather than looking at it as a (potentially) rational, well-planned decision by an individual (or some) who have decided that life is not worth living. Even more disgusting is the fact that not liking life or wanting to live itself is considered a disease, a disorder, illness, (or depression itself). I feel like the over-branding, diagnosis, and application of the depressed label is rather trivializing the people who are actually 'clinically depressed', but I digress as that's for another thread/topic instead.

Mini-story of pro-lifers and a therapist (many years ago) who tried to scope out info from me:
Many years ago, when I did see a mental health professional, it seemed like they were always on the trail for information about risk and CTB. I had one who tried to probe about my factors for CTB rather than listening to my struggles. While I always had CTB in the back of my mind, I never once mentioned CTB, or that s-word, h-word, or such as that. Then of course, the MHP decided to throw some statistics from psychiatry and mental health about risk and age group, demographics. The point I'm getting at here is how MHPs, pro-lifers, and similar ilk are only focused on preventing CTB, the risk of attempting or planning CTB, but ignores the roots and other problems that lead to it.

So in conclusion, one of the most dangerous things is when pro-lifers/anti-choicers oftenly try to associate non-CTB related actions, attributes, and factors into CTB, then use it as some 'threat or risk' assessment rather than understanding and solving problems. Furthermore, the bastardization and perversion of day to day, innocuous actions is a further infringement of liberty, civil rights, and even privacy. Things once deemed innocuous and safe that later becomes associated with risk of CTB. This is indeed a slippery slope headed towards pro-life totalitarianism.

 

[FuneralCry]

I certainly think that suicide will unfortunately get more and more difficult as time goes on, with all the focus being on trying to force people to suffer rather than trying to understand what suicidal people are going through. And it's so horrible to me how suicidal people end up being punished because of the fact that this society is so anti suicide, it sounds so hellish ending up in a psych ward after a police visit. None of these people could ever care, so it's best to avoid pro lifers at all costs as being too open about our feelings could very easily just make things worse, even if one purposely doesn't mention suicide.

 

[H.O.Xan]

I certainly think that suicide will unfortunately get more and more difficult as time goes on, with all the focus being on trying to force people to suffer rather than trying to understand what suicidal people are going through. And it's so horrible to me how suicidal people end up being punished because of the fact that this society is so anti suicide, it sounds so hellish ending up in a psych ward after a police visit. None of these people could ever care, so it's best to avoid pro lifers at all costs as being too open about our feelings could very easily just make things worse, even if one purposely doesn't mention suicide.

aren't some countries introducing euthanasia? wut abt them?

 

[TAW122]

aren't some countries introducing euthanasia? wut abt them?

They are, but only for the terminally ill and even then, one is still at the mercy of professionals (most likely pro-lifers), who will either grant or deny euthanasia for said person. It may extend to chronic illness later on, but the bar will be very high and uncertain.

 

[SilentSadness]

The situation is truly getting worse. The pro-lifers are getting more and more powerful and their persecution of suicidal people is growing more and more extreme. The way they talk about suicidal people now is as if they don't see them as human. I am certainly aware of this "secret police" society we're in where suicidal people are hunted down, and safely contained in a prison. It is unhelpful that governments and mental health services are teaching their citizens that suicidal people are incapable of rational thought and are dangerous meaning they must be identified quickly. I don't suppose this will end any time soon as the restrictions of methods become even more extreme. I think most people don't think about it and just conform with others, but as for the minority who hunt down suicidal people and people who provide information on the subject, it's very difficult to understand what could motivate someone to be so spiteful.

 

[TAW122]

The situation is truly getting worse. The pro-lifers are getting more and more powerful and their persecution of suicidal people is growing more and more extreme. The way they talk about suicidal people now is as if they don't see them as human. I am certainly aware of this "secret police" society we're in where suicidal people are hunted down, and safely contained in a prison. It is unhelpful that governments and mental health services are teaching their citizens that suicidal people are incapable of rational thought and are dangerous meaning they must be identified quickly. I don't suppose this will end any time soon as the restrictions of methods become even more extreme. I think most people don't think about it and just conform with others, but as for the minority who hunt down suicidal people and people who provide information on the subject, it's very difficult to understand what could motivate someone to be so spiteful.

I suppose it's due to the wrong conception as well as the fear of losing workers that pro-lifers resort to such brutal, invasive, and inhumane means to seize control as well as extract as much value from unwilling beings in this world. As for the extreme, militant pro-lifers (who are currently a minority, yet vocal and aggressive), I think they must have some sort of kick or joy from imposing their values on others in the name of "help".

 

[WaitingToGo]

aren't some countries introducing euthanasia? wut abt them?

They have it here in the Netherlands but iTS extremely difficult to get it granted for people who have mental issues. They told me at least 2 years waiting time and even then you are not guaranteed it.