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[Tintypographer]

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A number of things in the article are striking:

1) there is not an incentive to take on suicidal patients for therapists because the risks for licensing, lawsuits etc are very high

2). Research shows emergency room visits and involuntary hospitalizations – triggered when a mental health professional believes someone is at imminent risk of killing themselves – can increase a person's risk of suicide.

3) the emotional trauma of delaying with a suicidal patient can be debilitating on a therapist

" I think we as a society waste a lot of time trying to stop people from killing themselves as opposed to exploring why they want to die in the first place."
-SUSAN STEFAN, A SCHOLAR AND LITIGATOR




This article was 2020 and should be quoted as often and loudly as a NYT piece on Sanctioned Suicide.

This points to the problems with the statement "they just need treatment"

They need very deep, expensive, researched and dedicated therapy that will address major problems which can take many years and be very expensive to administer.

 

[waitingforrest]

Thanks for the nice article. Sums up my experiences exactly with the healthcare system. Hospitals care more about a person's physical safety, rather than the mental state of a person. They don't care if hospitalization traumatized you as long as you don't hurt yourself.

 

[Wrennie]

Thanks for the nice article. Sums up my experiences exactly with the healthcare system. Hospitals care more about a person's physical safety, rather than the mental state of a person. They don't care if hospitalization traumatized you as long as you don't hurt yourself.

The irony is that the abuse & complete lack of empathy toward my situation that I endured at the hospital made me want to hurt myself even more. I'd say they exacerbated my PTSD tenfold. In fact, the main reason I jumped off of a building was because I was scheduled to be sectioned later that particular day, and I decided I'd rather be dead than tortured by those sadists yet again (it didn't help that a newly prescribed psychiatric med gave me the courage to do it). Naturally with my nonexistent luck I survived and then the vultures proceeded to pluck apart and annihilate the minuscule remnants of my soul that still remained.

 

[Depressed Cat]

From the diagram, 1.4 million people attempted suicide but only 48,344 managed to CTB. While some of those 1.4 million attempts might have been cries for help, I wonder how many of those 1.4 million made unprepared attempts without enough knowledge and ended up hurting themselves in the process.

The 1.4 million attempts also explain the reason why they're so desperate to restrict access to methods.

Mental health has become such a serious issue now that if barbiturates were available as easily as in the past decades, people would be CTB in droves.

Restricting access to methods is the wrong way to prevent people from CTB. The effective way to go about it would be more investment in quality mental healthcare and indeed transforming the mental healthcare system itself into a more personal, empathetic, individual centric system.

 

[Dragon's Heart]

I agree that the mental health care industry is seriously lacking. I would like to put this question out to everyone here: What can be done to care for people properly in the mental health setting? What do you think would have helped you? How can things be implemented when people have no letters after their name?
I ask because I would really like to lay down some information from the horse's mouth itself (so to speak) even though "they" tend to be deaf to us. Sense and persuasion need to start somewhere.

 

[little helpers]

From the diagram, 1.4 million people attempted suicide but only 48,344 managed to CTB. While some of those 1.4 million attempts might have been cries for help, I wonder how many of those 1.4 million made unprepared attempts without enough knowledge and ended up hurting themselves in the process.

The 1.4 million attempts also explain the reason why they're so desperate to restrict access to methods.

Mental health has become such a serious issue now that if barbiturates were available as easily as in the past decades, people would be CTB in droves.

Restricting access to methods is the wrong way to prevent people from CTB. The effective way to go about it would be more investment in quality mental healthcare and indeed transforming the mental healthcare system itself into a more personal, empathetic, individual centric system.

I'm sorta just commenting so this post doesn't fall down the ranking and get lost. but good point there @Depressed Cat. method-talk is harm reduction.

 

[theresonlyonewayout]

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A number of things in the article are striking:

1) there is not an incentive to take on suicidal patients for therapists because the risks for licensing, lawsuits etc are very high

2). Research shows emergency room visits and involuntary hospitalizations – triggered when a mental health professional believes someone is at imminent risk of killing themselves – can increase a person's risk of suicide.

3) the emotional trauma of delaying with a suicidal patient can be debilitating on a therapist

" I think we as a society waste a lot of time trying to stop people from killing themselves as opposed to exploring why they want to die in the first place."
-SUSAN STEFAN, A SCHOLAR AND LITIGATOR

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This article was 2020 and should be quoted as often and loudly as a NYT piece on Sanctioned Suicide.

This points to the problems with the statement "they just need treatment"

They need very deep, expensive, researched and dedicated therapy that will address major problems which can take many years and be very expensive to administer.

Different country - same problems. I couldn't agree more with this. Finally someone is attempting to concentrate to the real issue. Those who don't want help, fine there's nothing that can be done. Those who do, need something that actually helps.

Either way, we deserve to be treated with dignity. We are human. I know from experience that if you talk to some professionals the way they talk about/to you - they don't like it. I mean, they really really don't like it.

 

[Tintypographer]

I have some suspicions of correlations to the rise in numbers but they don't establish causation:

1) the rise in social media and connectivity through phones and systems seems to have captured a lot of people in a loop of dopamine high then crash. Although I don't know if it's a cause, it definitely has occurred with the rise in suicide over time from the early 2000s through now.

Another issue has been the commoditization for investing by large sums of money of things that are basic needs or basic steps. Housing in desirable.places, access to open space such as parks and college has been grabbed as financial investment strategies by large piles of money. That restricts access to those things that allow for joy, interaction and stability without incurring debt or significant barriers
Same time period where housing has risen at a rate close to that of stocks for rental properties.

Finally green space per Capita has fallen as urbanization increases. Although mean per Capita income is up globally we have less and less access to outdoors.

Again none of these are causes linked to increasing suicide rates but they do have correlations that could be factors.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

A number of things in the article are striking:

1) there is not an incentive to take on suicidal patients for therapists because the risks for licensing, lawsuits etc are very high

2). Research shows emergency room visits and involuntary hospitalizations – triggered when a mental health professional believes someone is at imminent risk of killing themselves – can increase a person's risk of suicide.

3) the emotional trauma of delaying with a suicidal patient can be debilitating on a therapist

" I think we as a society waste a lot of time trying to stop people from killing themselves as opposed to exploring why they want to die in the first place."
-SUSAN STEFAN, A SCHOLAR AND LITIGATOR

They wrote that?

 

[Tintypographer]

The quote was taken directly from the article. The points came from my summary of the article's main points and are my own words.