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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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Throughout my life growing up, I have oftenly heard variations of this saying, not just from family (my father), but also various people in positions of authority (be it at school teachers, administrators, or people of particular influence (motivational speakers and what not)). Also examples of people not wanting to CTB, but die due to circumstances outside of their control in the news, in the media, and more. Some of these deaths are the result of accidents, natural causes, natural disasters, and man-made tragedies and more.

However, I want to debunk the argument that dying is easy. First off, all humans have this biological mechanism called the survival instinct (SI) and that causes us to avoid and/or fear things that would hurt us or cause us harm. This alone is a great impediment towards one's goal, especially if that one's goal is to CTB. There are many more instances where people who survived horrible events come out crippled, damaged (physically and mentally), and wished they were dead instead of being in those predicaments (loss of limbs, paralysis, nerve damage, brain damage, and more). To actually die (on one's own terms), it takes immense courage to overcome one's own SI, then to take the steps (especially the final step) that ends one's own life with all the odds working against one (societal paternalism, their own SI, their method, environmnent, and more).

Living itself isn't hard, but living "well" is hard. For an human to survive, they will just need their basic needs albeit their life would be pretty shitty. These basic needs are food, water, shelter, clothing, and medicine (for disease and illnesses). Furthermore, because of the survival instinct, the human body will do whatever it takes, involuntarily to sustain itself including sending pain signals to the brain. Hence this is why one feels hungry and uncomfortable when one has gone for a substantial amount of time without eating, this is why one feels pain when jabbed by a sharp object, and more.

The people who do end up dead oftenly do not do so by their own hand, but by other causes, and oftenly painfully as their SI does whatever it can to keep them alive (even if it is painful, uncomfortable, unbearable). For example, people who were drowning before they drowned suffered immensely as their body does everything to force them to breathe (involuntarily). People who were hit with blunt trauma (vehicular accidents, impact sports injuries), their body is sending immense pain signals until they either lose conscious or pass away. People who were shot by a firearm feel pain due to the pain receptors sending signals to the brain and the body's SI activating to let the person know he/she is hurt and in pain.

In conclusion, dying is not easy, and just because a few (un)lucky individuals die due to causes outside of their control does not confirm that death is accessible or easy. It takes immense courage to go through an attempt to die by one's own hand and then also enough skill to ensure one's attempt is successful (and not end up failure, resulting in a worse state of existence).
 
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locked*n*loaded

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Very well written. Thank you for the taking the time.

The first thing that those who come here need to get over, and get over quickly, is the idea that dying is easy. It takes work involving reading, studying, learning, planning, introspection, and even patience for the best chance at success. Nothing really comes easy in this world. Why would dying?
 
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Pentobarbital_Plz

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Oct 28, 2022
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Dying is still part of Life, after all :/
 
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Seiko

Seiko

"Nothing's gonna hurt you, baby."
Jul 9, 2021
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People refer to suicide as the "easy way out." The amount of determination it takes to override your unconscious desire to live is nearly insurmountable. It's easy to remain complicit and be detained by another day of life. It's difficult to make the proactive and sovereign choice to end your own suffering.
 
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TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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Very well written. Thank you for the taking the time.

The first thing that those who come here need to get over, and get over quickly, is the idea that dying is easy. It takes work involving reading, studying, learning, planning, introspection, and even patience for the best chance at success. Nothing really comes easy in this world. Why would dying?
Thank you and yes, dying would only be 'easier' if we had reliable and easy access to painless and dignified means to exit. Of course, the biggest hurdle of trying to CTB is the survival instinct.

Dying is still part of Life, after all :/
Well, yes, life and death are one together.

People refer to suicide as the "easy way out." The amount of determination it takes to override your unconscious desire to live is nearly insurmountable. It's easy to remain complicit and be detained by another day of life. It's difficult to make the proactive and sovereign choice to end your own suffering.
Absolutely, and most people that see it the "easy way out" are really ignorant (oftenly pro-lifers and anti-choice people spew such statements) of all of the work that is required to CTB, starting from the desire to CTB, acquiring the means, doing the research, overcoming one's own SI, and finally executing the action (to be successful). In fact, I would even go as far to say those who have overcomed their SI and prevailed against forced sentience is like overcoming the final, ultimate obstacle that is life itself.
 
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FuneralCry

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I find it to be very unfortunate how voluntarily exiting this world is not straightforward and potentially involves great difficulty and this is mostly due to the society that we exist in that is so focused on prolonging suffering rather than respecting choices to die. At least to me there is nothing to justify making suicide so difficult as to die is the most normal thing, it's simply inevitable for us all and continuing to exist is just delaying our fate. I see no value in existing for decades on end just to suffer and deteriorate and such a thing could never be beneficial to me so of course gaining access to suicide methods shouldn't be such a complicated thing.

But yes, I agree that any statements about suicide being easy come from ignorance, if they were suicidal themselves and started researching methods then they soon wouldn't be saying those things.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I don't think it's just this idea that the act of ending your own life is 'easy' but that the thought process to get to that point was also 'easy' or impulsive that REALLY gets to me.

It's not to say people never do it impulsively but it always makes me wonder. Like when you read those articles where it 'came out of the blue' for the people left behind. Like- was that REALLY the first time they had thought about it? I find it VERY unlikely. I suspect a lot of people live with these thoughts for years- if not decades. It does get to me when it feels like people think it's just some impulsive decision someone has made without contemplating all the repurcusions.

Perhaps they find it easier to cope with that way though. Perhaps it's more painful for them to think of their loved one 'in their right mind' doing it. Because that way- they made the choice to leave them.

I also suspect that anyone who throws about terms like 'easy' has never REALLY contemplated it themselves. Plus- if they have- it's a way of patting themselves on the back- 'I didn't choose the easy route- I persevered and took life on- blah blah blah.'
 
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freedompass

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Jan 27, 2021
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I don't think it's just this idea that the act of ending your own life is 'easy' but that the thought process to get to that point was also 'easy' or impulsive that REALLY gets to me.

It's not to say people never do it impulsively but it always makes me wonder. Like when you read those articles where it 'came out of the blue' for the people left behind. Like- was that REALLY the first time they had thought about it? I find it VERY unlikely. I suspect a lot of people live with these thoughts for years- if not decades. It does get to me when it feels like people think it's just some impulsive decision someone has made without contemplating all the repurcusions.

Perhaps they find it easier to cope with that way though. Perhaps it's more painful for them to think of their loved one 'in their right mind' doing it. Because that way- they made the choice to leave them.

I also suspect that anyone who throws about terms like 'easy' has never REALLY contemplated it themselves. Plus- if they have- it's a way of patting themselves on the back- 'I didn't choose the easy route- I persevered and took life on- blah blah blah.'
Great Ape Zoo GIF

Looks like this guy decided nope to the rope 'I might as well live' 'no easy way out for this tough guy!'
 
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Citruscine

Citruscine

dead in the head
Mar 8, 2022
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Facts. Not only are methods to ctb expensive, but it's also not an easy thing to do because of survival instinct and societal stigma
Dying is hard, living is hard, and living while wanting to die is especially hard
 
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k1w1

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Feb 16, 2022
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Yep, it's a cliche that I am quick to shoot down any time I hear it. Well written and good responses.
 
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Jarni

Jarni

Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
Dec 12, 2020
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I always thought that life is OK because it has an end and if smth unbearable happens, I just CTB.. (I never researched the methods)... But when you do your research and experiences and discover how it is difficult and that life is a prison..OMG.. You begin to see the life differently since then.... (it kills lots of joy that could remain...)..
 
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