Article claims pentobarbital(Nembutal) does not guarantee a peaceful death.

[hankbank3928]

11. Not a rapid or peaceful death

www.australiancarealliance.org.au

The “myth” of a pain free euthanasia death

Are euthanasia patients becoming ‘accidentally aware’ during their procedures and suffering a prolonged death during what is meant to be their “pain free exit” from this world?

www.noeuthanasia.org.au

These articles claim that pentobarbital(Nembutal) does not guarantee a rapid peaceful death. They say that sometimes people wake up and start suffocating and grasping for air after they have taken the dose of Nembutal. These articles scare the shit out of me. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[rationaltake]

Who wrote these articles exactly?

1 Australian Care Alliance Opposing Assisted Suicide

2 No Euthanasia

Just saying...

 

[hankbank3928]

Who wrote these articles?

Anti-euthanasia groups…

Who wrote these articles exactly?
Australian Care Alliance
No Euthanasia

Just saying...

The story about the prisoner though is still pretty scary…

 

[Endtimes1]

Of course there might always be a risk of pain and suffering when dying. Focus on death row prisoners is probably wrong, because they are often given a cocktail of drugs and large quantities N injected that might hurt the lungs before you go unconscious.

I read a study about horses and N. It was injected but before death brain waves were very flat.

The few people here on the forum who survived N, because they got found too early, tell that as far as they can remember it was very peaceful and only like blacking out, like when going for operation.

 

[GentleJerk]

Likely scare mongering and propaganda. As if the suffering and long drawn out deaths people usually experience in palliative care, could ever be more peaceful than a barbiturate. A literal chill-pill.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Here we go again.

 

[befree]

Total nonsense. I have seen two live videos of a VAD with Pentobarbital. It took only 5 minutes and was definitely peaceful.

 

[Lost Magic]

Yeah, I have seen plenty of videos and done enough research to know that the article you read is full of shit. I think burning alive, drowning, stabbing etc... are far less tolerable than taking a drink that takes a few mins to put a person to sleep.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Those articles are just fear mongering. From all accounts, N is the best there is at the moment. Exit bag is reliable and peaceful, too, as is CO, if done properly.

 

[Shu]

Total nonsense. I have seen two live videos of a VAD with Pentobarbital. It took only 5 minutes and was definitely peaceful.

You are a member of exit aren't you?

 

[Sunny-Pia]

Yeah, I have seen plenty of videos and done enough research to know that the article you read is full of shit. I think burning alive, drowning, stabbing etc... are far less tolerable than taking a drink that takes a few mins to put a person to sleep.

Agreed

Yeah, I have seen plenty of videos and done enough research to know that the article you read is full of shit. I think burning alive, drowning, stabbing etc... are far less tolerable than taking a drink that takes a few mins to put a person to sleep.

Agreed! They are just trying to block your roadway to the palace.

 

[Julgran]

11. Not a rapid or peaceful death

www.australiancarealliance.org.au

The “myth” of a pain free euthanasia death

Are euthanasia patients becoming ‘accidentally aware’ during their procedures and suffering a prolonged death during what is meant to be their “pain free exit” from this world?

www.noeuthanasia.org.au

These articles claim that pentobarbital(Nembutal) does not guarantee a rapid peaceful death. They say that sometimes people wake up and start suffocating and grasping for air after they have taken the dose of Nembutal. These articles scare the shit out of me. What are your thoughts on this?

Well, it's true in some sense, because I read an article about a person who jumped out of an airplane - it must have been one of those private plane types - and survived, but basically broke everyone bone in their body.

The moral of the story is that nothing is guaranteed, and there may be a risk of not achieving death when using any of the common methods, but that doesn't mean that it's likely to fail.

 

[just_wanna_die]

I read the article and to me, it seems to be put out for the purpose to oppose euthanasia, while giving some "evidence" that N is not as peaceful as it is claimed to be. Siting that out of 1,459 people, some 768 of them (more than half!) their final moments, in Oregon's legal program, is "unknown", so from that, it is smuggled into the mind of the reader that those people probably suffered terribly after taking N, so, therefore, the logical conclusion of the author of that article is that it is a "myth" that N is peaceful and pain free.

In MY personal, first-hand experience, as a survivor of an N overdose in Sept. 2018, ( https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-lethal-is-nembutal.72620/#post-1319369 ) I never felt any pain during or after my ingestion of it while in the hospital. It was a total blackout, can't remember a thing. Any pain, convulsions, or whatever I may have felt never "registered" because I have no memory of any pain. So from my perspective, it was totally peaceful and painless. Since then I have not had any ill effects from the N and made a full and complete recovery. Thankfully, I have another batch and I will eventually try again, and the next time I will be adding a plastic bag and a large glass (not a shot) of rum or whiskey to wash it down with. (This should be final, just like that mass suicide of the Heaven's Gate cult members in 1997, Google for details if you don't know).

 

[Euthanza]

The crab-mentality-preventors website have nothing to offer but slow and horrible death, to prolong suffering; It's has been made clear that they don't want anyone exit peacefully, hence the anti euthanasia.

The only main reason of suicide mess or painful dying and even harder life for all, is because of CRIMINALIZATION OF EUTHANASIA AND ASSISTED SUICIDE, which they did regardless their mask of good intention (but NOT really), shame on pro lifers!

 

[TheBroken]

The article is absolute BS. Agree with just_wanna_die and others. The problem is this folks ..... there just isn't enough mental health care, regular health care, food, housing, and other necessities for the human population going forward. Groups like this can preach all they want, but my child is getting all my assets and life insurance ..... not a f'n assisted living facility that will let me sit in my shit all day long. Why the F would anyone spend all their life savings to sit in a care home muttering at the TV when they can give it to their children who can make a better life or at least survive what's coming in the next 10-20 years ..... and what's coming isn't pretty.

 

[Efilismislife]

they are often given a cocktail of drugs and large quantities N injected that might hurt the lungs before you go unconscious.

Large dose of N hurt the lungs?

It was a total blackout, can't remember a thing. Any pain, convulsions, or whatever I may have felt never "registered" because I have no memory of any pain. So from my perspective, it was totally peaceful and painless.

The few people here on the forum who survived N, because they got found too early, tell that as far as they can remember it was very peaceful and only like blacking out, like when going for operation.

Yeah the tricky part is not remembering. I got amnesia from large dose of antidepressant too but during the time i react to things(people said)but the next day i dont remember

some people who had operation also response to it during oepration but got amnesia after

 

[Endtimes1]

Large dose of N hurt the lungs?

Yeah the tricky part is not remembering. I got amnesia from large dose of antidepressant too but during the time i react to things(people said)but the next day i dont remember

some people who had operation also response to it during oepration but got amnesia after

Here's an article about the phenomenon: https://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/ethics/90630

 

[ojinzo]

Who wrote these articles exactly?

1 Australian Care Alliance Opposing Assisted Suicide

2 No Euthanasia

Just saying...

Facts! Frek this article. You won't take my joy anti-euth groups

 

[Efilismislife]

Here's an article about the phenomenon: https://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/ethics/90630

Thats weird. The first choice is opioid. Opioid also depress breathing/stop breathing worse than barbiturate? at least barbiturate cause unconsciousness first

from what i read,
isnt barbiturate supposed to make one unconscious/comma first(also for general anesthesia)then stop the heart, breathing ?

opioid mainly for pain receptor but also depress/stop breathing

Isnt the edema caused by respiratory depression?

 

[just_wanna_die]

Yeah the tricky part is not remembering.

Not remembering is actually a good thing.

Now, in my case, having survived 15 grams of powdered N almost 4 years ago, as I stated in my above post, I have no recollection of having any pain or convulsions or anything like that. I was out like a light at the time. I doubt I did because it would be extremely rare when drinking N.

But suppose, for the sake of argument, I did have some pain and/or convulsions. So what?

I mean, N takes you into a deep comatose state, you're unconscious. In such a state, you are in total blackout. You see, hear, think, and feel nothing!

I happened to have survived, and have no recollection of anything happening to me other than painlessly going to sleep. So it doesn't matter if I did or didn't have any convulsions or pain.

On the other hand, if I had died, I also would not have had any recollection of any pain/convulsions, because I would have been dead. So in either outcome, it doesn't matter if I did or didn't. It is a non-issue.

 

[LeavingEarly]

Total nonsense. I have seen two live videos of a VAD with Pentobarbital. It took only 5 minutes and was definitely peaceful.

Do you have links to the videos?

 

[Efilismislife]

Not remembering is actually a good thing

I think/to me what really matters is not the memory but the feeling/suffering when it happens

Just like if reincarnation is real, then it doesnt matter if you suffer now /get mutilated because later you wont remember about it?
It still matters to me, i still dont want it its still painfully scary

But suppose, for the sake of argument, I did have some pain and/or convulsions. So what?

The point is the suffering when it happens.
despite remembering it after it or not.

Like anesthesia awareness in surgery is scary also, despite that they should forget the memory because of the drug. A few uncommon cases end up having some part/little of their memory back can recall the horror

Or people who commit rape using the drug, when it happens the victim still suffer but cant recollect the memory after that

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

Well, it's true in some sense, because I read an article about a person who jumped out of an airplane - it must have been one of those private plane types - and survived, but basically broke everyone bone in their body.

The moral of the story is that nothing is guaranteed, and there may be a risk of not achieving death when using any of the common methods, but that doesn't mean that it's likely to fail.

do you have the airplane story? in all of the stories like this I've read there's always more to it - we need, height of fall, was it partially failed parachute, did they fall into trees - there's a common one about a woman who fell 20,000ft from a plane and survived, but it's full of bullshit - she was in the rear of the fuselage, strapped in, and the fuselage acted as a parachute, and it fell into dense woodland, breaking her fall further, and she was still pretty fucked up - humans don't just drop 500ft onto concrete and survive - there's always more to it

 

[The Abyss]

It's true, it doesn't offer a peaceful death....when it's bloody confiscated.

 

[Julgran]

do you have the airplane story? in all of the stories like this I've read there's always more to it - we need, height of fall, was it partially failed parachute, did they fall into trees - there's a common one about a woman who fell 20,000ft from a plane and survived, but it's full of bullshit - she was in the rear of the fuselage, strapped in, and the fuselage acted as a parachute, and it fell into dense woodland, breaking her fall further, and she was still pretty fucked up - humans don't just drop 500ft onto concrete and survive - there's always more to it

Unfortunately, I don't have that story, since I read about it about 25 years ago, but you are probably correct. There was probably something that kept the person alive.

There point, though, is that there's mostly a small percent chance that thing won't go the way one expects.

 

[Shu]

The article is absolute BS. Agree with just_wanna_die and others. The problem is this folks ..... there just isn't enough mental health care, regular health care, food, housing, and other necessities for the human population going forward. Groups like this can preach all they want, but my child is getting all my assets and life insurance ..... not a f'n assisted living facility that will let me sit in my shit all day long. Why the F would anyone spend all their life savings to sit in a care home muttering at the TV when they can give it to their children who can make a better life or at least survive what's coming in the next 10-20 years ..... and what's coming isn't pretty.

Good point

Unfortunately, I don't have that story, since I read about it about 25 years ago, but you are probably correct. There was probably something that kept the person alive.

There point, though, is that there's mostly a small percent chance that thing won't go the way one expects.

Are talking about the story of that woman that survived?

 

[Julgran]

Are talking about the story of that woman that survived?

I'm talking about the story of a person who jumped or fell from an airplane.

 

[just_wanna_die]

I think/to me what really matters is not the memory but the feeling/suffering when it happens

Just like if reincarnation is real, then it doesnt matter if you suffer now /get mutilated because later you wont remember about it?
It still matters to me, i still dont want it its still painfully scary

The point is the suffering when it happens.
despite remembering it after it or not.

Like anesthesia awareness in surgery is scary also, despite that they should forget the memory because of the drug. A few uncommon cases end up having some part/little of their memory back can recall the horror

Or people who commit rape using the drug, when it happens the victim still suffer but cant recollect the memory after that

Not having a memory of it will be like it never happened, from your perspective.

I remember seeing a video of a guy who went skiing down a steep mountain and as soon as he started, he lost control and tumbled down some 1000 feet like a rag doll. His friends were able to get him to a hospital where he was in a coma for several days. When he awoke and was told what had happened, he couldn't believe it and had no memory beyond putting his skis in the car that morning. Everything else was blanked out. When he saw the video his friend took, from his perspective, it was like watching someone else fall down a mountain, not him, because he had no memory of it.

So whatever pain and suffering he felt (if any) while it was happening in real time was totally forgotten, so it didn't matter to him after he recovered. The only pain he felt was during recovery and rehab. Had he died that day, he would have felt (and remembered) nothing at all.

I had just heard of a young boy, about 12 or so, who was struck by lightning a couple of weeks ago. Local TV news had an interview with him and his family, and when he woke up after being in a coma for a day or 2, he had no idea what happened, where he was, or how he got there. When told he was hit by a bolt of lightning, he said "NO WAY!!!?!?" he couldn't believe it! He had no memory of anything after being hit and before waking up. Total blank out. He too could have died and would have felt and known nothing.

Yes, I have heard that there are very rare cases of people who have had awareness during surgery and that is a whole different thing because, for whatever reason, the drugs used did not block the pain and/or the memory. So in cases like that, I agree, that would be scary! But that has nothing to do with a peaceful passing drinking N.

Regarding those who commit a crime, like rape, while on some drug and do not remember that they raped another person, is another context. What they did actually happened and they did it to another person and they will suffer the consequences of their crime, as they should, regardless if they remember doing it or not.

If one is the victim of a crime, like rape, and was drugged, and therefore does not remember being raped, that changes nothing in this context either because their rights were violated, and some memory and/or knowledge of being personally victimized will always stay with that person.

 

[hankbank3928]

Not remembering is actually a good thing.

Now, in my case, having survived 15 grams of powdered N almost 4 years ago, as I stated in my above post, I have no recollection of having any pain or convulsions or anything like that. I was out like a light at the time. I doubt I did because it would be extremely rare when drinking N.

But suppose, for the sake of argument, I did have some pain and/or convulsions. So what?

I mean, N takes you into a deep comatose state, you're unconscious. In such a state, you are in total blackout. You see, hear, think, and feel nothing!

I happened to have survived, and have no recollection of anything happening to me other than painlessly going to sleep. So it doesn't matter if I did or didn't have any convulsions or pain.

On the other hand, if I had died, I also would not have had any recollection of any pain/convulsions, because I would have been dead. So in either outcome, it doesn't matter if I did or didn't. It is a non-issue.

Thanks for sharing your story, it puts my mind at ease.

 

[Shu]

Yes, I heard nembutal is like sTicKing nEedLeS inTo yOuR eYeS aNd eAtInG gLaSsoLinE. An anti-euthanasia advocate from the Ladder Day Saints told me.