Discussion Are you honest with your doctor?

[MaybeMaybeKnot]

Sometimes I wonder if I could get better if I let the doctor know about my ideation, my plans, etc. I have always looked him dead in the eyes and described depression and anxiety, but never discussed the hours laying in bed every night just visualizing partial hanging or planning when and where to do it. Why don't I let him help me? Because the thought of telling him terrifies me.

 

[sammii]

I'm not honest with my doctor about my ideation either, the doctors here are terrible though. They don't really care. Even if I was honest I don't think he'd even attempt to help me.

 

[schopenh]

Doctors work under well established and garbage protocols in very corrupt, bureaucratic institutions that cater to far too many patients. Basically there are so many systemic problems that even the most well intentioned and compassionate doctor (which are about 1% of the total) is not worth being openly communicative with because it will do you more harm than good 99.999% of the time. Do whatever you can to get drugs and get out here.
EDIT: by get out of here I mean CTB, not leave the forum

 

[Mr2005]

I'm honest with mine. He wrote me a letter to dignitas

 

[Stan]

Sometimes I wonder if I could get better if I let the doctor know about my ideation, my plans, etc. I have always looked him dead in the eyes and described depression and anxiety, but never discussed the hours laying in bed every night just visualizing partial hanging or planning when and where to do it. Why don't I let him help me? Because the thought of telling him terrifies me.

This forum is stacked with stories about how doctors not only did not help, but made a bad situation worse. You don't just have suicidal feelings on their own, they have a root cause. If the doctor could resolve that, then it is highly likely that the suicidal feelings would disappear.

 

[DarkDane]

Last time the threw me in the psych ward, so never again.

 

[Squiddy]

I'm honest with mine

 

[Mr2005]

This forum is stacked with stories about how doctors not only did not help, but made a bad situation worse. You don't just have suicidal feelings on their own, they have a root cause. If the doctor could resolve that, then it is highly likely that the suicidal feelings would disappear.

Or help in a way that's right for you and not right for them. Their arrogance gets the better of them, thinking they know best. I now believe if someone says the most absurd sounding solution they should try it and see if it works. Not get the pen and paper out and say "it's worse than we thought " I just wanted them to treat me like a normal person not someone who doesn't know what they're talking about

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I certainly don't trust doctors anymore. Its all care pathways and protocols one size fits all. If you have complex needs you are screwed.

 

[puppy9]

My doctor just make things worst for me. Aloof and a liar.
Imagine lying to other doctors to cover her ass up, she doesn't hold her grounds on her diagnosis, and proceed to lie to save her face. Piece of shit, coz of that issue they chuck me into the ward, thinking I'm a fucking liar. Came out worst off.
Now I found a kinda good doctor, that doesn't decide anything for me, and I treat her like my drug dealer; for my meds.

 

[Stan]

Or help in a way that's right for you and not right for them. Their arrogance gets the better of them, thinking they know best. I now believe if someone says the most absurd sounding solution they should try it and see if it works. Not get the pen and paper out and say "it's worse than we thought " I just wanted them to treat me like a normal person not someone who doesn't know what they're talking about

I don't think primary care doctors have much capacity in MH issues. A prescription pad comes out and they send you on your way. Referring you to a MH unit seems like a grind and reading the testimonials here, pretty pointless at best or incredibly damaging at worse.

 

[Mr2005]

I don't think primary care doctors have much capacity in MH issues. A prescription pad comes out and they send you on your way. Referring you to a MH unit seems like a grind and reading the testimonials here, pretty pointless at best or incredibly damaging at worse.

Yeah. I'm referring to the mental health team who I refuse to ever see again. I like my gp because if he doesn't have the answer he doesn't pretend to. Probably means he's not the strictest professional in the world but I don't care, I can trust him

 

[MaybeMaybeKnot]

My pcp first tried to help with my depression and anxiety with a script. It wasn't helping so she kept upping the dose. The higher she went the more I wanted to ctb. She finally referred me to a psychiatrist who said, "That's way too high. It could make you suicidal."

 

[BPD_LE]

I'm honest with mine. I feel bad for them because they know, with the state of the NHS, they can't help me. I have a really good relationship with my GP and CPN and the thought of me ctb genuinely upsets them. Still, they can do nothing.

 

[Notf1xable]

We've talked briefly about the right to die and stuff like that, but I'm not too honest about having a legitimate plan. My doctor didn't know I bought a gun, I know being committed will make my situation worse not better. My therapist I've seen using an app, and I am 100 percent sure she'd just have me committed so I just don't say anything. She knows I have a dark sense of humor after everything I've been through, but I'm very cautious about what I say still. It would take a lot to change what I want to do and again being committed would just make my situation worse.

 

[MaybeMaybeKnot]

Thank you all for sharing. You make life more bearable.

 

[takeyourshotfunboy]

No, never.

¨Having suicidal thoughts?¨

¨No, sir.¨

¨Self harming?¨

¨No, sir.¨

¨Thoughts of self harm?¨

¨No, sir.¨

Bullshit. All lies.

 

[painoflife]

I've told mine everything and she doesn't seem too bothered. Reply is always "If you get any worse let me know" but that's no help as things can't get worse in my eyes.

 

[Im2high4this]

Depends what I'm going to see them for.

Body pain = tell the truth

Mental pain = lie through teeth

I just can't trust doctors with that. They are not trained in the psyche as they are in the body. I legitimately feel I can get better advice here about mental health, then from my doctor. I've tried, i get a pamphlet with the same information you see on a page one google search of "mental health"..and it's just putting me at risk of the ward or some kind of monitoring. Iiving like a emotionally dead zombie for the rest of my life, is no life at all.

 

[k75]

I'm mostly honest. I freely talk about the suicidal thoughts and feelings. I do not ever admit to having a plan or method. It's enough to get appropriate help but not be sectioned.

 

[Nem]

Drs can go and fuck themselves! It is true they are corrupt af and don't deal with reality or honesty, being honest with them is like being honest to a criminal
Peace/hugs

 

[ArtsyDrawer]

No, never.

¨Having suicidal thoughts?¨

¨No, sir.¨

¨Self harming?¨

¨No, sir.¨

¨Thoughts of self harm?¨

¨No, sir.¨

Bullshit. All lies.

Same thing, except my self harm (sort of) has been observed.
Under the effect of kepprage I will start pulling my hair and beard. Didn't manage to rip hair out, but did get some of the beard out. Unpleasant. Thankfully, the effect of kepprage is documented, so I can and do blame it if anybody in ER asks.

 

[TAW122]

As far as sensitive topics like suicide, death, plans of self-harm, or stuff related to that, never. I simply cannot take the risk of being sectioned or involuntarily committed against my will (especially for having done nothing illegal). Involuntary commitment and force treatment is one of the most egregious violations of human rights. Hell, even the most suspected heinous criminals are treated "better" than that, at least they have legal counsel and some civil rights as well as their testimony not questioned. I don't condone criminals nor endorse illegal activities btw.

 

[Sweet emotion]

A big hell to the no on that one! I'm honest about my physical pain but I don't tell him that I'm planning on ending it and that I take more meds than I should when the pain gets to be unbearable. That is why I have been saving up meds for quite some time now. I've gone without some if them every day because I knew that one day I was either going to be lowered on my dosage which had happened or going to kill myself which will happen. And I'm actually proud of myself at how much I was able to save up. You can't be honest with many doctors now a days. They have too much power that they don't deserve to have and they love holding that power over your head. They get off on it.

As far as sensitive topics like suicide, death, plans of self-harm, or stuff related to that, never. I simply cannot take the risk of being sectioned or involuntarily committed against my will (especially for having done nothing illegal). Involuntary commitment and force treatment is one of the most egregious violations of human rights. Hell, even the most suspected heinous criminals are treated "better" than that, at least they have legal counsel and some civil rights as well as their testimony not questioned. I don't condone criminals nor endorse illegal activities btw.

Can you believe that when I went to this one pain management doctor he said he was a minute away from having me out away because I was crying?

Sometimes I wonder if I could get better if I let the doctor know about my ideation, my plans, etc. I have always looked him dead in the eyes and described depression and anxiety, but never discussed the hours laying in bed every night just visualizing partial hanging or planning when and where to do it. Why don't I let him help me? Because the thought of telling him terrifies me.

Because he can out you in a mental institution. You're scared and rightfully so.

Doctors work under well established and garbage protocols in very corrupt, bureaucratic institutions that cater to far too many patients. Basically there are so many systemic problems that even the most well intentioned and compassionate doctor (which are about 1% of the total) is not worth being openly communicative with because it will do you more harm than good 99.999% of the time. Do whatever you can to get drugs and get out here.
EDIT: by get out of here I mean CTB, not leave the forum

That is exactly what I do. I put on a false persona and get in and out of that office as fast as possible. These doctors have too much power and they get off on that. It's disgusting. I wish that they would get crps like us and understand what we are going through. I wish people who didn't believe us would get crps and find out what it feels like.

Doctors work under well established and garbage protocols in very corrupt, bureaucratic institutions that cater to far too many patients. Basically there are so many systemic problems that even the most well intentioned and compassionate doctor (which are about 1% of the total) is not worth being openly communicative with because it will do you more harm than good 99.999% of the time. Do whatever you can to get drugs and get out here.
EDIT: by get out of here I mean CTB, not leave the forum

That is exactly what I do. I put on a false persona and get in and out of that office as fast as possible. These doctors have too much power and they get off on that. It's disgusting. I wish that they would get crps like us and understand what we are going through. I wish people who didn't believe us would get crps and find out what it feels like.

My pcp first tried to help with my depression and anxiety with a script. It wasn't helping so she kept upping the dose. The higher she went the more I wanted to ctb. She finally referred me to a psychiatrist who said, "That's way too high. It could make you suicidal."

This has happened to me before. I was on one med and the doctor kept on upoing it. I told him I was having violent mood swings. I told him this and he kept upping it! Finally I went to another doctor and he said I'm surprised you haven't killed anyone.
Then another doctor upped my Lyrica by 100mgs. I got so depressed I wanted to die. When I went back to him he said I never did that. I had to bring the bottle with me so I could show him his mistake. He just said...oh well.

Thank you all for sharing. You make life more bearable.

Our misery makes your life more bearable for you? How nice haha. I'm just kidding. I know what you mean.

 

[WhiteDespair]

I am honest. Being honest allowed me to improve. I don't lie about ideation. I do say it after the fact, not during. I have an established pattern of not acting on the ideation. That gives me leeway. I've been seen in the depths of depression and seething with rage. I also say that if I really, truly want to CtB no one would be able to stop me and no one would know until I acted and, yes, I will really, really, really consider reaching out before I CtB.

Taken together I don't give cause to warrant a call to the psych ward.

 

[Dystopia]

I'm honest to a degree. I've mentioned suicidal thoughts etc but have never gone as far as saying I'm actively suicidal and have read into methods in great depth and also have two at my own disposal.

It seems like a bad idea to mention anything about any plans you have regardless of whether you want to CTB or not.

Most psych ward visits I've read seem absolutely awful and seem to be more scarring than helpful

 

[BigGimpin]

Also worried about my Dr simply throwing me in the psych ward if I told him how I really feel.

Get this, couple months back I was trying to explain to my Dr how my chronic pain has gotten worse and I need a change in meds or something. He asked how many times have you had a bowel movement this week? I said, Two. All he did was prescribe me a bunch of stool softeners and laxative. I was fucking livid. I cant seem to find a Dr that gives a shit, or knows how to treat someone with a disability, really frustrating.

 

[Fre_diE]

Yeah no. I'd be committed asap. And to think doctors are supposed to be the epitome of physiological compassion. I know this sounds super terrible and f#%%*d up but does anyone else here struggle with suicide ideation and have a family? Like kids? Honestly think they'd be better off without me but i love them so much

 

[stoiccactus]

Yeah no. I'd be committed asap. And to think doctors are supposed to be the epitome of physiological compassion. I know this sounds super terrible and f#%%*d up but does anyone else here struggle with suicide ideation and have a family? Like kids? Honestly think they'd be better off without me but i love them so much

100% know the feeling. Would be better off without my dumbass around.
Also I would never fucking tell anyone that had a reporting obligation because 100% they would be required to call the cops. I can imagine nothing worse than dealing with the legal system

 

[NormaJeane]

Sometimes I wonder if I could get better if I let the doctor know about my ideation, my plans, etc. I have always looked him dead in the eyes and described depression and anxiety, but never discussed the hours laying in bed every night just visualizing partial hanging or planning when and where to do it. Why don't I let him help me? Because the thought of telling him terrifies me.

I am honest with my doctor, but I read in a newspaper that people lie the most when they are at the doctor´s.