Are we born into slavery?

[Darkover]

I believe we truly are! The moment you are born the government owns you! From an early age you go to school then you are forced to get a job! Most of your time is ruled by someone else they decide when you do it and what you do! You are trapped in the rat race! They don't care about your interests/hobbies/goals! The government wants obedient slaves! Most people just repeat the same cycle every day: get up >go to work > eat > sleep! Most people are brainwashed thinking we are free! We are born into a prison and I see it as stupid and disgusting that people don't see how horrible the world is yet they keep breeding cause they are selfish! They want a kid! Then when the kid becomes an adult they throw their creation away like it is a used toy! Now we are here suffering cause we are randomly born! We never asked to be born yet we are forced to participate in all this useless trash! Then when we are old the employer let's us retire! Our whole life all most people do is being a slave, kissing a** then when you retire you have little time to no energy left then you die! Now tell me is a life like this really worth living?

I feel like the difference between working and slavery is we are paid and we are granted two days out of the week to relax if you work full time.

Slaves were told what to do, when to wake up, taught to obey and to ensure they were serving their masters.

How am I any different? Oh, it's just paid.

I do not mean to downplay what historical slavery is, of course that kind of slavery is something else entirely.
But still, when you objectively look at how our society works, we are basically slaves. If you are born without any inheritance, your option is either to work or be homeless which basically means being an outlaw with no humans rights pretty much. The fact that loitering is an offense is the proof of it.

If you do not have a home wtf are you suppose to do? You are not allowed to go into the wild and build your own house and have your own self sustainable farm, are you? In theory by being a citizen of a country the country is also yours, still you are not entitled to anything that country has to offer. If a fucking squirrel is allowed to be part of nature and not worry about his property tax why can't I? Do I even have to go into what borders are? The fact you are literally NOT ALLOWED to take a step beyond an imaginary border because a document says so? Am I the only one seeing how fucking absurd this is.

If my wish is to be in nature and not use any public service or perk why am I not allowed to? Is it really that absurd to believe that just by existing I am deserving of land? Why is it my problem if some selfish asshole who came before me decided I have to follow his little game? You are LITERALLY FORCED to work and to pay taxes to exist, because the alternative is sleeping on a sidewalk while you wait to die from some kind of disease or even worse be locked in a jail cell for as long as the system wants to. There is no alternative other than be part of a system that was designed by other people who only have their own interests in mind. Seriously fuck this shit. I have always known society was fucked but it seems it is becoming harder and harder to ignore it and even harder to accept people know about it but still do not feel like making a change

 

[Ash]

Only people who have the privilege to live in democratic societies and who are not bound as modern slaves would consider themselves to be "born into slavery".

Seriously, anyone who thinks this, give yourselves a shake, check your privilege and get over yourselves.

I know you're struggling - that's why we're all here, for one reason or another but FFS. I'm resisting the urge to beg the lot of you to grow up but that's only by the tiniest of margins.

And I'm not going to debate this as I'll not change my mind and I'll doubt I'll be changing yours, either. I'm just sick to my back teeth of this nonsense. And I want anybody new to this site to understand that not everybody thinks and feels the same.

Hitting the ignore button now. @ me or ignore me. I honestly don't care.

 

[thedevilwithin]

i can't describe to you how much i relate to every word. it truly is torture. i seriously do not understand how some people can work for decades upon decades. the vast majority are simply just getting by, slaving everyday till their time here is up. it is truly a fucked system, literal slavery as you said. i want to escape it so bad. i want to live in nature and admire the only beauty i see in this world. everything else is hell.

Only people who have the privilege to live in democratic societies and who are not bound as modern slaves would consider themselves to be "born into slavery".

Seriously, anyone who thinks this, give yourselves a shake, check your privilege and get over yourselves.

I know you're struggling - that's why we're all here, for one reason or another but FFS. I'm resisting the urge to beg the lot of you to grow up but that's only by the tiniest of margins.

And I'm not going to debate this as I'll not change my mind and I'll doubt I'll be changing yours, either. I'm just sick to my back teeth of this nonsense. And I want anybody new to this site to understand that not everybody thinks and feels the same.

Hitting the ignore button now. @ me or ignore me. I honestly don't care.

you're missing the point. there is no doubt there are people who have it worse than the majority of us here. however, this is mental slavery. people are not supposed to live like this. this is coming from someone who has worked since they were a child and still now as a young adult. anyone can see that this isn't how human being should be living. we are confined to a system we had no say in. there is clearly something wrong with the amount of people suffering from mental illness.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Yes, we are born into modern day slavery. If you have to do something you don't want and/or like to do, it's slavery. End of. The majority of humans are slaves. Even if some like being slaves, that doesn't mean that they aren't slaves. Unfortunately, the only escape out of this slavery is suicide.

I think that kenny ackermann in attack on titan says it adequately and succinctly: "everyone is a slave to something"

 

[Kalista]

i can't describe to you how much i relate to every word. it truly is torture. i seriously do not understand how some people can work for decades upon decades. the vast majority are simply just getting by, slaving everyday till their time here is up. it is truly a fucked system, literal slavery as you said. i want to escape it so bad. i want to live in nature and admire the only beauty i see in this world. everything else is hell.

you're missing the point. there is no doubt there are people who have it worse than the majority of us here. however, this is mental slavery. people are not supposed to live like this. this is coming from someone who has worked since they were a child and still now as a young adult. anyone can see that this isn't how human being should be living. we are confined to a system we had no say in. there is clearly something wrong with the amount of people suffering from mental illness.

yes. grass is greener on the other side.

to add to that, just because others are slightly or way better off than ones not born in a democratic society doesn't mean we don't have our problems here in a system that clearly fails in many, many ways. we still suffer. we just suffer in a different ways.

we are not going to 'suck it up' because others have it worse. it's still an experience that shouldn't happen in the first place, but it does because we're run by very rich and powerful people. so we must abide by what they've created for the rest to live in.
this is a life that we're born in and have learned to an extent. whether to live in due to ignorance or acceptance.
people suffering in other countries is not in our individual control especially as mere workers just trying to get by. it's not within most people's capacity to even spend energy on other society's issues when we're already faced with our own. we instead have to focus on our own lives, in a place where a system runs differently not without its many problems -- such as 'modern day slavery.'

so, no. no one's growing up here as we've already grown up. we've become aware as to how the system works and takes advantage of millions of people.

 

[Onelegman]

Do you doubt it? We are born into slavery, without a doubt.

 

[Hotsackage]

All about genetics, if you're not screwed over by biology, u might live a life with money and wat not. But a lot of us here got the bad end of the stick, unfortunately

 

[Outsider]

Yes, we are slaves. Not only to the government or rich, but to the environment in general, as well as to our bodies and minds. We are compelled to sleep, eat, and fulfill our needs to avoid pain. It's even worse than that. We feel pain when our bodies are damaged, yet this damage happens automatically over time as we age. Thus, we are trapped in a torture chamber.

 

[astr4]

if you weren't born wealthy, you are a slave. whether it's real slavery or wage slavery, your "freedom" is just an illusion.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I agree. It's a scale basically though. There are obviously varying levels of privelage and atrocity within it but it's all making you do something you don't particularly want to do because the alternative is worse. The conditions we work under and the consequences of not working vary but they are quite often bad and exploitative.

And yes, I don't think it's fair to just birth a being into this world and expect them to comply. I wish parents thought harder about the genes and circumstances they were inflicting on their children too.

I have creative genes. Most creative people I know are struggling enormously in this world to get by. Or- they've given up on what they want to do and they're wage slaving. (It doesn't usually feel enough to 'do it as a hobby'. Wage slavery is exhausting and time consuming. It's easy to just give up when you spend your whole time working or sleeping.)

And of course- my lot comparitively speaking is massively privelaged. I do realise that. Imagine children being born and then forced into child labour or- left to starve. I truly can't get my head around why people want that for their children! Like- are they actually birthing them as employees for them? To bring in money for them?

I'm relieved that my genes will die with me and I won't have to watch my child struggle and suffer. Maybe that wouldn't happen but, it seems likely to some extent. Why would I want that for someone I loved?

 

[davidtorez]

Yes, we are slaves. Not only to the government or rich, but to the environment in general, as well as to our bodies and minds. We are compelled to sleep, eat, and fulfill our needs to avoid pain. It's even worse than that. We feel pain when our bodies are damaged, yet this damage happens automatically over time as we age. Thus, we are trapped in a torture chamber.

Exactly this. I was going to write a similar response but you saved me the trouble .

 

[babyharpseal]

its so unfair that we have no choice in being born but every single thing we need to stay alive costs money. we dont inherently have a right to life, but we dont have a right to death either. so many parts of society seem like they actively want ppl to die, mainly if ur old, mentally ill/disabled or homeless, yet they do everything they can to stop u from killing urself. not from dying, no u can die slowly n agonisingly n theyll just complain abt having to step over ur body. ONLY killing urself do they care. its like they dont want anyone to realise thats an option, bc theyd have less wagies making them money if ppl got sick of it n killed themselves.

it just makes zero sense to me. if u want ppl to live, then why not provide the things they need. if u dont want ppl to die, then why look away uncaringly as ppl freeze n starve on the streets. society makes zero sense and every tiny bit of it is evil, caring abt nothing but extracting money from u. the government n corporations r no better than scammers to me

and i resent that just by virtue of existing, im forced to give money to evil companies that destroy the planet, abuse workers, use slaves, exploit customers etc. its massive sui fuel

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

No but we sure do grow into it.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Half of the workers in my country earn $500 a month. House rent is $300. They have to work for years just to pay for their marriage. A used 1991 Toyota Corolla is $5000 (this is cheapest price on the list). If they doesn't spend half their earnings, which is impossible, they can only buy it in 20 months. We are talking about a 1991 model used shitty car. It is already impossible to buy a house. Retirees only receive a salary of $300 :)

Nobody laughs here. Everyone is unhappy and hopeless. I challenge a pro lifer to live such a life. If he can still remain a pro lifer after a few years, I will try too. This is not living, this is just existing. The human species does not live like this. I also know that there are countries much worse than this. We're not just talking about lack of money here, but worse, despair. Despair is hell.

 

[lotus11]

Half of the workers in my country earn $500 a month. House rent is $300. They have to work for years just to pay for their marriage. A used 1991 Toyota Corolla is $5000 (this is cheapest price on the list). If they doesn't spend half their earnings, which is impossible, they can only buy it in 20 months. We are talking about a 1991 model used shitty car. It is already impossible to buy a house. Retirees only receive a salary of $300 :)

Nobody laughs here. Everyone is unhappy and hopeless. I challenge a pro lifer to live such a life. If he can still remain a pro lifer after a few years, I will try too. This is not living, this is just existing. The human species does not live like this. I also know that there are countries much worse than this. We're not just talking about lack of money here, but worse, despair. Despair is hell.

What country are you from?

 

[Davey36000]

I mean I wouldn't say you are born into slavery.

You can say "I don't want anything to do with this!", but, then, obviously, there are consequences.

Or you can spend sometime (not easy, but still possible), to find work that has less hours (like between 4 to 6 hours), but you gain less and harder to find work like that.

Or open your own business. If you are efficient you don't need to work so many hours, I assume.

Funnily enough, Greece wants to extend their workdays obligatory to 6 (insane).

If you like the work that you do it's better. But imo this is a very restrictive way to live.

 

[Throwawayacc3]

I believe we truly are! The moment you are born the government owns you! From an early age you go to school then you are forced to get a job! Most of your time is ruled by someone else they decide when you do it and what you do! You are trapped in the rat race! They don't care about your interests/hobbies/goals! The government wants obedient slaves! Most people just repeat the same cycle every day: get up >go to work > eat > sleep! Most people are brainwashed thinking we are free! We are born into a prison and I see it as stupid and disgusting that people don't see how horrible the world is yet they keep breeding cause they are selfish! They want a kid! Then when the kid becomes an adult they throw their creation away like it is a used toy! Now we are here suffering cause we are randomly born! We never asked to be born yet we are forced to participate in all this useless trash! Then when we are old the employer let's us retire! Our whole life all most people do is being a slave, kissing a** then when you retire you have little time to no energy left then you die! Now tell me is a life like this really worth living?

I feel like the difference between working and slavery is we are paid and we are granted two days out of the week to relax if you work full time.

Slaves were told what to do, when to wake up, taught to obey and to ensure they were serving their masters.

How am I any different? Oh, it's just paid.

I do not mean to downplay what historical slavery is, of course that kind of slavery is something else entirely.
But still, when you objectively look at how our society works, we are basically slaves. If you are born without any inheritance, your option is either to work or be homeless which basically means being an outlaw with no humans rights pretty much. The fact that loitering is an offense is the proof of it.

If you do not have a home wtf are you suppose to do? You are not allowed to go into the wild and build your own house and have your own self sustainable farm, are you? In theory by being a citizen of a country the country is also yours, still you are not entitled to anything that country has to offer. If a fucking squirrel is allowed to be part of nature and not worry about his property tax why can't I? Do I even have to go into what borders are? The fact you are literally NOT ALLOWED to take a step beyond an imaginary border because a document says so? Am I the only one seeing how fucking absurd this is.

If my wish is to be in nature and not use any public service or perk why am I not allowed to? Is it really that absurd to believe that just by existing I am deserving of land? Why is it my problem if some selfish asshole who came before me decided I have to follow his little game? You are LITERALLY FORCED to work and to pay taxes to exist, because the alternative is sleeping on a sidewalk while you wait to die from some kind of disease or even worse be locked in a jail cell for as long as the system wants to. There is no alternative other than be part of a system that was designed by other people who only have their own interests in mind. Seriously fuck this shit. I have always known society was fucked but it seems it is becoming harder and harder to ignore it and even harder to accept people know about it but still do not feel like making a change

All animals are equal BUT some animals are more equal than others.

 

[4everHeartBroken]

I believe we truly are! The moment you are born the government owns you! From an early age you go to school then you are forced to get a job! Most of your time is ruled by someone else they decide when you do it and what you do! You are trapped in the rat race! They don't care about your interests/hobbies/goals! The government wants obedient slaves! Most people just repeat the same cycle every day: get up >go to work > eat > sleep! Most people are brainwashed thinking we are free! We are born into a prison and I see it as stupid and disgusting that people don't see how horrible the world is yet they keep breeding cause they are selfish! They want a kid! Then when the kid becomes an adult they throw their creation away like it is a used toy! Now we are here suffering cause we are randomly born! We never asked to be born yet we are forced to participate in all this useless trash! Then when we are old the employer let's us retire! Our whole life all most people do is being a slave, kissing a** then when you retire you have little time to no energy left then you die! Now tell me is a life like this really worth living?

I feel like the difference between working and slavery is we are paid and we are granted two days out of the week to relax if you work full time.

Slaves were told what to do, when to wake up, taught to obey and to ensure they were serving their masters.

How am I any different? Oh, it's just paid.

I do not mean to downplay what historical slavery is, of course that kind of slavery is something else entirely.
But still, when you objectively look at how our society works, we are basically slaves. If you are born without any inheritance, your option is either to work or be homeless which basically means being an outlaw with no humans rights pretty much. The fact that loitering is an offense is the proof of it.

If you do not have a home wtf are you suppose to do? You are not allowed to go into the wild and build your own house and have your own self sustainable farm, are you? In theory by being a citizen of a country the country is also yours, still you are not entitled to anything that country has to offer. If a fucking squirrel is allowed to be part of nature and not worry about his property tax why can't I? Do I even have to go into what borders are? The fact you are literally NOT ALLOWED to take a step beyond an imaginary border because a document says so? Am I the only one seeing how fucking absurd this is.

If my wish is to be in nature and not use any public service or perk why am I not allowed to? Is it really that absurd to believe that just by existing I am deserving of land? Why is it my problem if some selfish asshole who came before me decided I have to follow his little game? You are LITERALLY FORCED to work and to pay taxes to exist, because the alternative is sleeping on a sidewalk while you wait to die from some kind of disease or even worse be locked in a jail cell for as long as the system wants to. There is no alternative other than be part of a system that was designed by other people who only have their own interests in mind. Seriously fuck this shit. I have always known society was fucked but it seems it is becoming harder and harder to ignore it and even harder to accept people know about it but still do not feel like making a change

"The moment we are born the government owns you" - Enough said.

We get a Social Security Number assigned to us AT BIRTH sometimes before our parents can even decide on a name!

 

[Marine]

I believe we truly are! The moment you are born the government owns you! From an early age you go to school then you are forced to get a job! Most of your time is ruled by someone else they decide when you do it and what you do! You are trapped in the rat race! They don't care about your interests/hobbies/goals! The government wants obedient slaves! Most people just repeat the same cycle every day: get up >go to work > eat > sleep! Most people are brainwashed thinking we are free! We are born into a prison and I see it as stupid and disgusting that people don't see how horrible the world is yet they keep breeding cause they are selfish! They want a kid! Then when the kid becomes an adult they throw their creation away like it is a used toy! Now we are here suffering cause we are randomly born! We never asked to be born yet we are forced to participate in all this useless trash! Then when we are old the employer let's us retire! Our whole life all most people do is being a slave, kissing a** then when you retire you have little time to no energy left then you die! Now tell me is a life like this really worth living?

I feel like the difference between working and slavery is we are paid and we are granted two days out of the week to relax if you work full time.

Slaves were told what to do, when to wake up, taught to obey and to ensure they were serving their masters.

How am I any different? Oh, it's just paid.

I do not mean to downplay what historical slavery is, of course that kind of slavery is something else entirely.
But still, when you objectively look at how our society works, we are basically slaves. If you are born without any inheritance, your option is either to work or be homeless which basically means being an outlaw with no humans rights pretty much. The fact that loitering is an offense is the proof of it.

If you do not have a home wtf are you suppose to do? You are not allowed to go into the wild and build your own house and have your own self sustainable farm, are you? In theory by being a citizen of a country the country is also yours, still you are not entitled to anything that country has to offer. If a fucking squirrel is allowed to be part of nature and not worry about his property tax why can't I? Do I even have to go into what borders are? The fact you are literally NOT ALLOWED to take a step beyond an imaginary border because a document says so? Am I the only one seeing how fucking absurd this is.

If my wish is to be in nature and not use any public service or perk why am I not allowed to? Is it really that absurd to believe that just by existing I am deserving of land? Why is it my problem if some selfish asshole who came before me decided I have to follow his little game? You are LITERALLY FORCED to work and to pay taxes to exist, because the alternative is sleeping on a sidewalk while you wait to die from some kind of disease or even worse be locked in a jail cell for as long as the system wants to. There is no alternative other than be part of a system that was designed by other people who only have their own interests in mind. Seriously fuck this shit. I have always known society was fucked but it seems it is becoming harder and harder to ignore it and even harder to accept people know about it but still do not feel like making a change

Yes. Government and the system we are born in is slavery. It's covert slavery but the logic is the same as chattel slavery, it's just hidden instead of in your face because it's more sustainable that way since people don't recognize it as slavery. Which is why the people who can live have the responsibility to make others understand this, stop contributing to it, and learn principles in accordance with natural law so we can become free. Something I hope I'll have a chance to do instead of being wasted and ultimately exterminated in this "life"...

 

[Trismegistus_13]

No, we're not slaves, at least if you live in a developed country. I am not saying this to be mean to the original poster, but I have no idea how their ideal world would function.

We definitely all need to work assuming we physically can. If everyone just decided to kick up their feet and relax, everyone would die from lack of food and potable water. Electricity would cease being produced. Our work is our payment for being able to live a modern life and not like an animal. And we can't just let anyone go off and build a house because there are (in my country) 300 million+ Americans. Where are they all going to go? There is only so much arable land available.

It sounds like you don't want to work, don't want to obey laws and don't want to pay any tax. Any society isn't going to support that because you would just be leeching resources without giving anything back.