Method are there any major SN negative effects when saved?

[afutility]

rather self-explanatory title. supposing i will be ''saved'' is there a risk of any brain damage/major loss of function associated with SN? i don't want to end up as a vegetable in case of a failed attempt. this is also the major reason i don't want to go for ctb by hanging.

thanks for your replies and have a nice rest of your day.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

It's debated. Most of the people that have survived SN have done so with no long term damage, but exceptions are always possible. SN reduces the body's oxygen supply: it's pretty obvious that that carries risks of long term damage.

 

[Old Friend]

It seems more forgiving than many methods but I doubt there's any method that 100% guarantees no damage in the event of a failed attempt.

 

[dinosavr]

It also depends a lot on how early you get saved and if you vomit

 

[Deleted member 65988]

One word: time

This is will pretty much will decide if you live with long-term damage depending on the treatment and how swift it is or you probably die inspite of the treatment.

 

[afutility]

thank you for the answers. what are some of the possible negative long-term effects on my body if i was saved?

 

[Old Friend]

Yeah, keep in mind that dying is a process. SN is not the quickest when it comes to delivering death, although it makes up for it somewhat by being fairly peaceful, easy to implement, not that expensive and, until recently at least in some places, fairly accessible.

One thing that puts me off inert gas, along with the faff and expense is that there seems to be a fairly long window between when permanent damage starts and death. Inert gas sounds more peaceful than SN, but like I said, SN seems more forgiving.

That said: inert gas has had more research into it, thanks to being the method of choice of certain pro-euthanasia groups. We're largely comparing notes from each other on SN.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

While sodium nitrite poisoning can cause severe symptoms and complications, its direct link to brain damage in a suicide attempt is not well established. The primary concern with sodium nitrite ingestion is methemoglobinemia, which can lead to oxygen deprivation in tissues and organs. However, this condition mainly affects the circulatory system and not the brain directly.

The connection between sodium nitrite and brain damage is not as strong as other toxins or chemicals that may be ingested during a suicide attempt. For example, substances like carbon monoxide, cyanide, and certain drugs can directly cause brain damage or death due to oxygen deprivation or other neurotoxic effects.

 

[afutility]

While sodium nitrite poisoning can cause severe symptoms and complications, its direct link to brain damage in a suicide attempt is not well established. The primary concern with sodium nitrite ingestion is methemoglobinemia, which can lead to oxygen deprivation in tissues and organs. However, this condition mainly affects the circulatory system and not the brain directly.

The connection between sodium nitrite and brain damage is not as strong as other toxins or chemicals that may be ingested during a suicide attempt. For example, substances like carbon monoxide, cyanide, and certain drugs can directly cause brain damage or death due to oxygen deprivation or other neurotoxic effects.

the lesser effect on the brain is nice. wanting a 100% reversible method is foolish, but this seems nice enough. taking precautions to not be found too early is still essential.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

the lesser effect on the brain is nice. wanting a 100% reversible method is foolish, but this seems nice enough. taking precautions to not be found too early is still essential.

Exactly, it's just better to avoid having to worry about it by making sure you aren't found or found too early since Methomoglobinemia works rapidly

 

[Abyssal]

A few users have said they suffered heart problems (one being unable to run again for risk of dying from the physical exertion) and brain damage (memory loss). There's other effects but that what I know by memory

 

[Kta1994]

A few users have said they suffered heart problems (one being unable to run again for risk of dying from the physical exertion) and brain damage (memory loss). There's other effects but that what I know by memory

Also kidney issues.
Does the memory loss necessarily implies brain damage?

 

[willitpass]

I didn't have any long term effects from it despite getting so close I was given CPR and briefly intubated. Methalyn Blue works very quickly after it is given, so if first responders administer it quickly enough the outlook is much less grim I feel.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

I didn't have any long term effects from it despite getting so close I was given CPR and briefly intubated. Methalyn Blue works very quickly after it is given, so if first responders administer it quickly enough the outlook is much less grim I feel.

Wow CPR, you were within minutes of death then? How much SN did you take?

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Also kidney issues.
Does the memory loss necessarily implies brain damage?

Thing is, when people talk about brain damage, they're mainly talking about being a vegetable.

I didn't have any long term effects from it despite getting so close I was given CPR and briefly intubated. Methalyn Blue works very quickly after it is given, so if first responders administer it quickly enough the outlook is much less grim I feel.

Well yeah, reason being which works alongside innate reducing enzymes by acting as a cofactor and an electron acceptor. This increases the rate of reductase enzyme activity converting ferric iron to ferrous iron and hence metHb to haemoglobin so thats why it worked so fast.

@willitpass how close were you to ctb because if CPR was needed, you certainly had the potential for cardiac arrest and then death.

 

[willitpass]

@willitpass[/USER] how close were you to ctb because if CPR was needed, you certainly had the potential for cardiac arrest and then death.

Wow CPR, you were within minutes of death then? How much SN did you take?

According to my medical records, my methemoglobin, which is the part of blood that SN acts on was 60% upon arrival to the hospital. 20% causes cyanosis, 50% is associated with certain death without treatment. I was very close. I only was saved because in my dying stupor I told my boyfriend at the time I was dying and he called for help.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

According to my medical records, my methemoglobin, which is the part of blood that SN acts on was 60% upon arrival to the hospital. 20% causes cyanosis, 50% is associated with certain death without treatment. I was very close. I only was saved because in my dying stupor I told my boyfriend at the time I was dying and he called for help.

Was it painful? How many grams did you take? Did you vomit?

 

[Deleted member 65988]

According to my medical records, my methemoglobin, which is the part of blood that SN acts on was 60% upon arrival to the hospital. 20% causes cyanosis, 50% is associated with certain death without treatment. I was very close. I only was saved because in my dying stupor I told my boyfriend at the time I was dying and he called for help.

Then you are rather fortunate. Also, the methemglobin levels don't necessarily have to rise to 70% or above to be fatal so you could've still died had help arrived in time but as you said, anything above 50% is vert critical and time is of the essence to treat and give someone a chance to survive.

Do you think benzos could've made the process easier and potentially not even saved you in time had you blacked out? I'm always curious about this.

Was it painful? How many grams did you take? Did you vomit?

SN ctb consequences

if one fails an sn attempt and just wakes up hours later, will there be any damage to the brain or kidneys ?

sanctioned-suicide.net

Read through this thread and look for @willitpass comments.

 

[willitpass]

Then you are rather fortunate. Also, the methemglobin levels don't necessarily have to rise to 70% or above to be fatal so you could've still died had help arrived in time but as you said, anything above 50% is vert critical and time is of the essence to treat and give someone a chance to survive.

Do you think benzos could've made the process easier and potentially not even saved you in time had you blacked out? I'm always curious about this.

I would have died if I had not told someone, I was not breathing and my heart must have briefly stopped if I required CPR. This was not a case of needing more medication, it was an error on my part for telling someone I was dying.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I would have died if I had not told someone, I was not breathing and my heart must have briefly stopped if I required CPR. This was not a case of needing more medication, it was an error on my part for telling someone I was dying.

So then, it would've worked inspite of the benzos. I meant in terms of making the process easier perhaps?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I would have died if I had not told someone, I was not breathing and my heart must have briefly stopped if I required CPR. This was not a case of needing more medication, it was an error on my part for telling someone I was dying.

You said pain was 6/10. Did u feel suffocation? Or what kind of pain stomach or headache?

I consider drowning or setting on fire 10 /10 in intensity and constantness of pain. But I consider that shorter duration like 5 minutes of extreme pain then death. There is worse suffering / pain because of longer duration than 5 minutes at this level of pain

 

[Kta1994]

Thing is, when people talk about brain damage, they're mainly talking about being a vegetable.

Well yeah, reason being which works alongside innate reducing enzymes by acting as a cofactor and an electron acceptor. This increases the rate of reductase enzyme activity converting ferric iron to ferrous iron and hence metHb to haemoglobin so thats why it worked so fast.

@willitpass how close were you to ctb because if CPR was needed, you certainly had the potential for cardiac arrest and then death.

To become a vegetable with SN i imagine you would have to be saved really late right?

 

[Abyssal]

Also kidney issues.
Does the memory loss necessarily implies brain damage?

Late response, sorry didn't see this earlier.

According to the poster, it was brain damage. Not talking losing memory of when taking sn, I mean general bad memory.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

To become a vegetable with SN i imagine you would have to be saved really late right?

To be saved really late would mean your Methomoglobin levels are way past fatal levels which are about 60% or greater, at that point it would be very difficult to be saved even with medical treatment.