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M_E_S

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Sep 11, 2022
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We're born, and have no control over that.

From birth, societies and cultures immediately set about conditioning us into ascribing objective meaning to everything, with almost all of it defined for us. And for those who realize this and grow skeptical of, or even outright reject, their conditioning the alternative encourages us to generate our own meaning in an otherwise meaningless world. Though we have more autonomy in this latter view it still insists upon living itself as a prerequisite.

Yet any of us who decide that our meaning is tied to life as ultimately futile and seeking to terminate it as fulfillment of that meaning are typically roundly rejected out of the gate regardless of our arguments. And our perspectives dismissed, chocked up to the ramblings of mentally unwell minds simply because we consider death a viable option for self-actualizing our understanding of existence.

My question is, do those of us who hold suicide as a legitimate and viable means of exercising autonomy and fulfilling their own sense of meaning possess a deeper awareness.

In other words, because we tend to be more self aware, think deeply and consider things critically, could we be examples of humans who have realized their purpose is to die?

When everything in existence points to a sense of failure, inadequacy, unfufillment...are we not just responding to nature in the desire to end? Are some of us simply aware that we're being called back to the dust and simply engage with that realization instead of distracting ourselves, deluding ourselves or waiting for much more painful, avoidable and humiliating ways to go, lauded by the masses but ultimately needlessly cruel and trying?
 
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VitaminD3

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Feb 28, 2025
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excuse my drive by comment, just a few thoughts i had, while still on the laptop, and before going to bed:

even if on average, it was discovered that most suicidal people had higher awareness, or a sort of depressive realism about life, it's one thing to say something, and a much more difficult thing to implement it.

another thing is, some countries like Canada, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, have assisted suicide, and yet there doesn't seem to be a strong international pressure to shut that down. that's good.

there have been rumors of Canada's MAID of being inhumane, but imho, it's mostly conservative talking points, and almost nothing is being said about the programs in Europe.

i don't know if nature, explicitly calls us for our end, it's what the conditions, and circumstances of our life point to. maybe an emergent property of life in general.

not everyone wants to CTB in 1 day, for example i tried to starve to death in 14-16 days but i haven't succeeded, that was in January to March 2020 (was also hospitalized in a RO asylum, which was mostly awful 3/10).

the masses are quite easy to influence, sometimes, see leaders like Trump, Stalin, Ceausescu (who was shot to death, and then the death penalty was swiftly abolished, and any attempts to reinstate that, were shot down, in Romania, maybe for the better, maybe for the worse).

there is a Stalin quote that said, paraphrased:
"our enemies shouldn't be let to have free ideas, since we have taken away their weapons, and don't allow them to have weapons, why should we let them have free ideas". so yeah, in this comment, i tried to speak more freely, to the best i could at 23:34 local time.

even if these leaders had good parts, i chose to highlight bad parts, because i felt they were more useful given the attention span i have.

i didn't want to format it via a LLM nor AI.

thanks for your message, take care, sleep well.
 

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