Appalled by the racism in society

[Anonymoussn]

In my city, Birmingham, a guy decided to go out and stab 8 people, killing 1, and wounding 7 others on Saturday night, for no apparent reason. It has shaken the city quite a bit, and is something that has particularly shaken me, since the killer lived 10 minutes walk from my house. If you are in the UK you will probably know of the incident I'm talking about.

As soon as cctv of the suspect was released, and it was clearly a black male, comments flooded every Social Media page with stuff like 'send him back to his own country' and 'What, White lives don't matter!?'.

The man has now been charged and has been named, and has a hebrew first name, and a Scottish/Irish second name - and an image of his supposed birth certificate is circulating online which seems to show he was born in Birmingham.

I am quite pleased that he does not appear to be a Muslim, and/or an immigrant, and doesn't fit into people's disgusting stereotypes - so that racists and bigots aren't given more fuel. Yet still if you look on news pages about the incidents, there are dozens of comments on every single one saying things like 'send him back to Calais on a dinghy with his head chopped off'.

I know that I should know better than reading the comments on News websites and Facebook pages, but I'm just appalled to see how disgusting and racist so many people in my own city are, and that we live in such an intolerant and spiteful world.

Sorry for the rant - this is the only place I feel comfortable enough to post this. It's made me feel immensely depressed

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

There's not a human who isn't free of ignorance and ignorant behavior, but it's disheartening how prevalent it is. It's certainly easier because but requires no effort, while changing it and rising above it does. Part of the effort means recognizing one has been in error, and humans don't like that, even though abiding in ignorance and error do greater harm.

 

[Anonymoussn]

There's not a human who isn't free of ignorance and ignorant behavior, but it's disheartening how prevalent it is. It's certainly easier because but requires no effort, while changing it and rising above it does. Part of the effort means recognizing one has been in error, and humans don't like that, even though abiding in ignorance and error do greater harm.

Agreed! I think part of the problem is we need to teach subjects like Politics in schools, so that people can learn scepticism. I learnt Politics at 16, but was given it as an option, and so the vast majority of people do not have the privilege of gaining access to subject matter like that in school (not in most countries at least). It taught me not to believe easy manipulation and moral panics, which I now think are a large part of the reason why people are indoctrinated into believing things like racism are rational ideas. And hoodwinked into mistaking racism for national pride, or defending their liberties from what they perceive to be dangerous outsiders.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

And yet...in my travels I've met many Brits and they have better political understanding and critical thinking skills than Americans. We're not taught critical thinking skills until GRAD SCHOOL. I went to a private school until junior high and even though the education was advanced, we were not taught critical thinking skills.

I also envy that philosophy is taught in public schools in France starting around the age of twelve. It's an elective in the US even in most colleges. Unless one wants to pursue it, no one has to engage with it, and so there's fear and misunderstanding of it how it gives one lenses or a framework for looking at problems, with an ethical bent. I used to be so afraid of theory, and they ended up being some of my favorite classes, it's very similar to philosophy, theory is a lens and a framework for looking at specific things to analyze them.

It just seems like education systems spend an obscene amount of time spinning wheels with not much to show for practical application in life except for reading and basic math skills. They appear to be based on the classical education format, but they're really quite far from it. Nor do they teach job skills like a trade apprenticeship. What a scam. All that bullshit about education being a right, and I know western populations are seemingly better off than those of poorer countries with limited education opportunities, but are we any less sheep? Stupidity and ignorance are still in great abundance, and less ability to do things for ourselves without technology. We're more educated but we have no critical thinking skills and we're helpless. Shit, when I was in Guatemala, I was at a rare mixed party with expats and locals. There was a small fire in the yard that was going out, and there were some planks of wood, and I was concerned because there was no saw or ax. One of the locals, a teenager, laid the planks lengthwise along the edge of a concrete walkway and broke the planks by holding them down and stomping on them. What the fuck???? Who even knew you could do that?

 

[noaccount]

Ah, at first I thought you meant Birmingham AL. God I'm so sorry.

Some people can be talked to in good faith about this shit, even educated on how whiteness is a godawful substitute for actual liberation. A lot of others just form identities through brutality though.

Similar incident:
When I worked at a bar/grill, one of our regular patrons wound up murdering a young woman who'd gone to high school with several of my younger coworkers. Not sure what the motive was but she was black and he was white. Then he killed himself though. People are sick fucks.

 

[MartyByrde]

In my city, Birmingham, a guy decided to go out and stab 8 people, killing 1, and wounding 7 others on Saturday night, for no apparent reason. It has shaken the city quite a bit, and is something that has particularly shaken me, since the killer lived 10 minutes walk from my house. If you are in the UK you will probably know of the incident I'm talking about.

As soon as cctv of the suspect was released, and it was clearly a black male, comments flooded every Social Media page with stuff like 'send him back to his own country' and 'What, White lives don't matter!?'.

The man has now been charged and has been named, and has a hebrew first name, and a Scottish/Irish second name - and an image of his supposed birth certificate is circulating online which seems to show he was born in Birmingham.

I am quite pleased that he does not appear to be a Muslim, and/or an immigrant, and doesn't fit into people's disgusting stereotypes - so that racists and bigots aren't given more fuel. Yet still if you look on news pages about the incidents, there are dozens of comments on every single one saying things like 'send him back to Calais on a dinghy with his head chopped off'.

I know that I should know better than reading the comments on News websites and Facebook pages, but I'm just appalled to see how disgusting and racist so many people in my own city are, and that we live in such an intolerant and spiteful world.

Sorry for the rant - this is the only place I feel comfortable enough to post this. It's made me feel immensely depressed

I share your disgust. I see the similar racist comments here in the states. I'm sorry for the violence your city is experiencing.

 

[UterEntonaur]

....I'm just appalled to see how disgusting and racist so many people in my own city are, and that we live in such an intolerant and spiteful world.

UK here, I know the incident you're talking about, and totally agree. People always want to look at race first, and the newspapers love race-baiting, because they know it'll generate clicks on the articles (more clicks = more ads shown).

Did you see the story about the old white guy on the bus calling black people monkeys and n*****s? I'm not condoning violence, but a lot of racists have forgotten what it feels like to get punched in the face.... and it shows. Funny how they suddenly stop once they're reminded what pain feels like.

Racism has always been a problem eveywhere in the UK - but part of the problem is schools don't teach (in History lessons) that that after two world wars, there was barely anyone left in this country except women and children, so skilled workers were brought over (mostly against their will) from commonwealth countries. Racists just assume that everyone non-white was an immigrant because it's easier to blame someone else than your own countries history.

 

[Smudgedlines]

The UK has a real underbelly of racists and racist behaviour. Sadly the BLM movement seems to have given the closet racists an excuse to spill the bile at every available opportunity.. almost like they think it's given them permission for free speech.

 

[Emily_Numb]

The UK has a real underbelly of racists and racist behaviour. Sadly the BLM movement seems to have given the closet racists an excuse to spill the bile at every available opportunity.. almost like they think it's given them permission for free speech.

Regardless of opinion, we should never try to quash 'free speech', even if the persons values don't line up with our own. It's the beginning of the end when that happens

 

[Anonymoussn]

Regardless of opinion, we should never try to quash 'free speech', even if the persons values don't line up with our own. It's the beginning of the end when that happens

'Free speech' should not in my opinion be unlimited (and it isn't in UK law anyway). Noone should be given a platform to spread hatred and racial slurs

 

[UterEntonaur]

Regardless of opinion, we should never try to quash 'free speech'...

Agreed, but here in the UK there's also laws against hate speech... which is what racial slurs are

 

[Smudgedlines]

I suspect one of my sons might be gay. I am fully supportive of him no matter what, I wouldn't want to hear anyone using abusive speech about him or passing an opinion on it in the guise of free speech. I'd quash them never mind the speech.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

so skilled workers were brought over (mostly against their will) from commonwealth countries.

Were they really brought to the Uk "against their will"? I thought slavery was abolished in the slavery abolition act of 1833 in the UK?
In fact, during WW2, the UK was a haven for Jewish refugees fleeing nazi persecution. If it wasn't for the Uk, many of those jews would have been killed.

And the British nationality act of 1948 (introduced by a left-wing labor gonvernment) wasn't specifically created to import labor. The migrants who decided to go to the UK during the windrush generation chose to do so to seek a better life, although there were labor shortages that the government of the time was trying to fill. They wanted to go to the UK though, there was no forcing involved. I'm not saying they found it easy, or that they weren't sometimes exploited, but they weren't forced to go to the uk (although the windrush scandal was appalling).
Where is there evidence that they were brought 'against their will'? That would have been against the law, and it certainly would have been mentioned by the migrants themselves.

It's easy to create an alternative history where countries like the UK only did bad things, or to judge people who lived in a different era with different moral standards.
Yes, the British empire was in many ways brutal and oppressive, but as it was winding down, it did allow many commonwealth members to go to the UK to better their economic prospects.

'Free speech' should not in my opinion be unlimited (and it isn't in UK law anyway). Noone should be given a platform to spread hatred and racial slurs

but there's a difference between not giving someone a platform and actually making it illegal to say certain things. Hate speech laws make it illegal for certain sounds to come out of a person's mouth. Which seems to be mildly totalitarian.

The UK has a real underbelly of racists and racist behaviour

This isn't specific to the uk.
Racism is universal across cultures and ethnicities.
It can be explained from an evolutionary perspective in terms of outgroups and tribalism and our remote ancestors' need to survive in hostile environments.
I'm not trying to excuse it and I find it morally repugnant to treat individuals badly based on their race or ethnicity, but it's a human tendency and doesn't just happen in predominantly white/western countries.
I would add however, that the uk is a pretty welcoming country generally and has improved a lot over the past 60 years.

 

[UterEntonaur]

Were they really brought to the Uk "against their will"? I thought slavery was abolished in the slavery abolition act of 1833 in the UK?

The migrants who decided to go to the UK during the windrush generation chose to do so to seek a better life, although there were labor shortages that the government of the time was trying to fill.

That would have been against the law, and it certainly would have been mentioned by the migrants themselves.

I'm not saying they found it easy, or that they weren't sometimes exploited, but they weren't forced to go to the uk

This is why I used the term "mostly" - because I'm not claiming that everyone was forced, but would you agree that not everyone was given a choice?

For example, India only gained independence in 1947, and was still under the control of Pro-British governments for two decades (if you research why there was a massive influx of South-Asian citizens here in the early '70s, you'll see there's no need for "alternative history", when the reasons and history is noted by both countries)

Laws are great, but they don't prevent behaviour/actions, they are only designed to deter and punish behaviour/actions (otherwise there wouldn't be any need to have conversations like this if Slavery/People trafficking suddenly stopped happening). Nobody is saying Britain "only did bad things", but claiming it didn't happen, defeats the purpose of recording history.

 

[TheQ22]

I'm sorry but I don't think the country is anywhere near as racist as people make out.

What I do think is a problem is that the media and politicians have pursued a divisive policy over the last 30 years to try and emphasise and amplify any issue for their own gain.

So for example 1 old fool on a bus calling people monkeys cannot be extrapolated to all old white people think in the same way, but that is what is being inferred. It's actually quite insulting to be lumped into a group like that because of your age and skin colour, which ironically is what racism or bigotry is.

I also think that the media hammering on and on about BLM and riots and burning cities and etc is just driving an even bigger wedge between people, making them feel frightened of other people, and making them angry, and since all they bang on about is black, or white, or gay, or straight or etc - those are the first attributes that people can see or think about.

The game of politicians and the media is to turn everyone against each other, and they're winning. The world is going to hell in a handbasket.

And covid is apparently coming back for a huge 2nd wave in October, and it'll be against the law to mix with even your friends and family or you get arrested and fined.

So people can sit at home and stew in their own "injustice" juices even more, creating even more resentment and hardship and anger.

They're not exactly helping to ease the situation, are they?

 

[esse_est_percipi]

but would you agree that not everyone was given a choice?

It depends what you mean..some were 'forced' by their economic circumstances I guess, since many countries in the former commonwealth didn't have any jobs and were quite poor, so going to the uk was a way of escaping.

Do you mean to say that some migrants weren't given a choice by the british government? i.e. that they were somehow forced to migrate to the UK by the UK government itself?

I'm not trying to be deliberately argumentative, and if I see evidence that it was the case that some were forced, I will accept it, and admit I was wrong. I also accept that there might have been some manipulation and coercion going on to try to get citizens from the commonwealth countries to go to the uk.

But I find it hard to believe that they were rounded up and forced on to boats at gunpoint (which you seemed to imply when you said they were brought over against their will).

if you research why there was a massive influx of South-Asian citizens here in the early '70s, you'll see there's no need for "alternative history", when the reasons and history is noted by both countries

I'll look that up

Nobody is saying Britain "only did bad things", but claiming it didn't happen, defeats the purpose of recording history.

that's true but there is a tendency nowadays to only focus on and highlight the bad history of western countries (and don't get me wrong, there is a lot to be said there), and minimize or totally overlook anything which could be interpreted as positive or even slightly good.

Not that I really care about anything anymore, but this is how I see it. Historical interpretation and narration used to go too far one way in its jingoism and nationalism, glorifying empires, conquering, wars, exploitation and racial domination etc.
But now it seems it's going too far the other way in its demonization of the westphalian system of national sovereignty itself and capitalism in general, especially as it relates to europe and north america, as a general trend in academia and popular history accounts.

And I'm no fan of capitalism at all, quite the opposite.
And I'm also saying that as someone who believes (or at least used to believe before I stopped being interested in the world) that all hierarchical structures of authority which cannot adequately justify themselves should be dismantled, and that human society and economy should be organised around the decentralization of power, mutually beneficial non-coercive co-operative structures, and work which is based on free association of individuals and the fulfillment of basic human needs for meaning and creativity.

The game of politicians and the media is to turn everyone against each other, and they're winning. The world is going to hell in a handbasket.

This does seem to be the case. I can't help but suspect that all these new social movements and identity group based politicking, whether it's right-wing or left-wing, have been imposed from above as a way to create chaos and conflict.
Because there's only one way to deal with chaos and conflict...authoritarianism and more centralization of power.
Seems like an agenda is playing out.

 

[TheQ22]

This does seem to be the case. I can't help but suspect that all these new social movements and identity group based politicking, whether it's right-wing or left-wing, have been imposed from above as a way to create chaos and conflict.
Because there's only one way to deal with chaos and conflict...authoritarianism and more centralization of power.
Seems like an agenda is playing out.

Exactly there are no benefits to getting older, but what it does give you is the possibility to compare now with then.

Ideally everything is perfect so now and then are the same, but where were any 2 decades apart (so just over one generation) the same? The 40's vs the 60's, the 50's vs the 70's, etc?

Always different, always each new generation thinking they have the answers and the last ones were idiots.

And the more conflict, the more dissatisfaction, the more unhappiness, the more unrest - the answer is more government and more authoritarian intervention.

Until eventually you have to have special permission to see you family, or go to work, or do anything.

And that's where we're almost at.

In my most humblest of opinions, which is why I see racism and homophobia, and all of the rest of the "problems" being tools to force change and to ensure more power for them, and less freedom for us

 

[noaccount]

Racism is not universal or timeless and a great explanation of it can be found in Howard Zinn's "Drawing The Color Line" where he illustrates how it was a previously non existant concept used to fragment the working class and give one part of it power over another. Easy quick read here.

Drawing the Color Line

Free speech laws protect people from the government. Not from private individuals. It is important for private individuals to be ready to confront and no-platform bigots.

IT IS DISGRACEFUL AND DISGUSTING TO ASK RACIALIZED PEOPLE TO BE QUIETER ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING BY ACCUSING THEM OF "DIVIDING" SOCIETY, OR TO ASK FOR A UNITY BASED ON SILENCE RATHER THAN SOLIDARITY.

 

[TheQ22]

Racism is not universal or timeless and a great explanation of it can be found in Howard Zinn's "Drawing The Color Line" where he illustrates how it was a previously non existant concept used to fragment the working class and give one part of it power over another. Easy quick read here.

Drawing the Color Line

Free speech laws protect people from the government. Not from private individuals. It is important for private individuals to be ready to confront and no-platform bigots.

IT IS DISGRACEFUL AND DISGUSTING TO ASK RACIALIZED PEOPLE TO BE QUIETER ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING BY ACCUSING THEM OF "DIVIDING" SOCIETY, OR TO ASK FOR A UNITY BASED ON SILENCE RATHER THAN SOLIDARITY.

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Who are these racialised people? What does that even mean?

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying and I only skimmed over the thing you linked to, so I might be wrong but...

1) Because 1 document says Virginians used African labour doesn't make it true, and even if it is it doesn't mean you can extrapolate it to every white person vs every black person across history, then claim you are black and 200 years ago some black people were slaves to some white people, so therefore today you can absorb their victimhood - the victims who are no longer alive - and project your rage at white people today - who had nothing to do with it, in lieu of the white people who are long since dead who did do it.

2) In the UK as an example, 99.9% of the population was white. At 5 years old you went to work - unless you worked for a philanthropist like Richard Arkwright, who believed 5 was too young. He believed you should wait til they were 6.

He also believed that at 40 you were over the hill, so you went to work for him at 6, then got kicked out at 40 - no welfare, no support, nor nothing, you were basically kicked out to die - and these were white people. And Arkwright was a white person.

5 year old (white) kids were sent to work down mines, in factories, in the fields, anywhere that hands were needed, no health and safety, no nothing, you got injured - OUT - bring in a new one. There was after all an endless pool of labour.

In mines kids suffocated in the gas, in factories they got mangled in the machines - tough - OUT - get a new one.

In about 1843 the Christians of the middle classes were getting worried about the numbers of young girls getting prenant out of wedlock - shock horror, terrible thing. They went to the North east and found things that shocked them to their cores.

Young kids (white) and girls (white) being treated like animals. They would work 12+ hours per day, 6 days per week for just enough to keep them alive so they could come to work again tomorrow.

They told of one young girl, teeth missing at the front (she was a white 14 year old), whose job was to be strapped into a harness in front of a wheeled container in the mine, then to pull it to the surface, with younger children behind pushing it.

It was so hot she was topless, her young breasts exposed, the harness included a head piece, and it had worn away her hair so she was bald, and if the over looker wanted his way with her she would comply, or lose her job and starve to death.

Another (white male) worked for Arkwright, bent over until his spine was deformed - then he was released since he couldn't wotk any more. At 19 he was living of the kindness of others while he learned to be a cobbler.

99.9% of the people in England were white. 99.9% of them were poor. They struggled to even survive, to put food on the table, they lived sometimes 3 families, maybe 15 people in one unfurnished room because it's all they could afford, and they ate potatoes and bread because it's all there was for them.

What the Hell would they need a slave for? It's just another mouth to feed that they couldn't pay for.

You idiots today can't even pick up a book or read real history, you're too busy throwing hissy fits about your own supposed injustices, which are based on the suffering of others.

The truth is this: The owners of the mines were rich. The owners of the factories were rich. The owners of the land were rich. The owners of everything were rich. The people who worked in them - were poor.

It didn't matter to the owners if you were white, black, male, female, young, old - you were a commodity, to be used, to make money for them.

It was always that way, it is still that way, and while we all fight each other over shit we didn't even do to each other - it will remain that way.

They're up there drinking their champagne and eating their caviar and fillet mignon and looking down laughing at us, fighting over a loaf of bread, a bag of carrots, and blaming each other for the shitty way the world has worked out. That we didn't even do - THEY DID IT.

And yet STILL they benefit from it, while we suffer.

This is the irony and stupidity of humans

 

[ManWithNoName]

Agreed! I think part of the problem is we need to teach subjects like Politics in schools, so that people can learn scepticism.

Teaching a student scepticism would mean teaching that student how to think for himself or herself, and public schools do not want that—their goal is indoctrination to a government approved narrative.

Scepticism is something that should be taught by parents who should also be sceptical.

 

[Meditation guide]

I'm just appalled to see how disgusting and racist so many people in my own city are,

It's not a characteristic that is uncommon or going away any time soon. Just another part of the vile set of things that humans do.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Racism is not universal or timeless and a great explanation of it can be found in Howard Zinn's "Drawing The Color Line" where he illustrates how it was a previously non existant concept used to fragment the working class and give one part of it power over another

Thanks for posting that link.
Will have a proper read through when I can focus more.
Just from having skimmed it, I would say that Zinn's level of analysis is much too superficial on this topic if we are looking for fundamental explanations.

I really like Zinn's 'A People's history of the united states' though, great book.

However, I would still question your claim that racism isn't universal or timeless.

I think, from an evolutionary psychology point of view, 'racism' has its roots in the very deep prehistoric past.

Of course, the concept of racism and scientific racism is relatively recent. So, for example, scientific racism, with all its cranial measurements, phrenology, pseudo-scientific racial hierarchies, etc, was a 19th century invention intended to support and justify european imperialism, exploitation and domination of other parts of the world. I understand that.

But just because a concept is a recent invention, doesn't mean that the phenomenon it is referring to is recent too.

For example, a long time ago people used to think that plagues were caused by God's punishment, or by a misalignment of the planets, or curses by witches or something else.

But, when microscopic viruses were discovered in the 20th century, we then knew that these were responsible for all the plagues in history, and not the imagined supernatural causes.

The viruses existed before they had been discovered, just like racism existed before it had been conceptualized and utilized in a historical or theoretical discourse for whatever purpose.

The psychological tendency to discriminate and make a priori judgments based on physiological characteristics, seems to be innate in the human species as a whole, and can probably be traced back, with some plausibility, to prehistorical hunter gatherer tribes whose collective mentalities functioned in terms of 'in groups' and 'out groups'.

It can probably be traced back even further to monkey-human common ancestors, and similar forms of discrimination and 'in group-out group' partitioning and behavioral tendencies can be seen in other primates and animals.

At the bedrock level, it probably comes down to gene transfer, since as biological organisms, the primary function of humans is to pass on genes for replication. Offspring are likely to look like parents, and a prehistoric tribal community as a whole, in which most of the members probably had some genes in common at various levels given that they had evolved together during generations, were likely to share similar racial characteristics.
Outside tribes were likely to look a bit different, and were likely seen as hostile and a threat to the propagation of genes within the other tribe. So you got the in group-out group mentality as a natural psychological survival mechanism and bulwark against the possibility of a tribe's genomic characteristics being terminated rather than propagated.

So it does seem that this could have been an adaptation which had survival value. Since even if not all those outside a tribe were necessarily hostile and aggressive, it makes sense as a instinctive rule of thumb for primitive human minds to have put all different-looking outsiders in one box of 'hostile/dangerous/aggressor'.

This may not have been 'racism' as we now understand it, with all the historical connotations that the word has come to express, but it was a form of proto-racism, and perhaps the racism that persists in today's world is an unconscious anachronistic vestige of this deeply ingrained tendency of the human psyche.

But explanation is not justification, and of course any type of unkind and mean behavior towards people, for whatever reason, is unacceptable and cruel, and the people responsible should not simply be allowed to carry on with it as if what they're doing is normal.

 

[mediocre]

It is important for private individuals to be ready to confront and no-platform bigots.

I disagree completely. If people are racist or homophobic I want to hear what they have to say so I know exactly who they are. Then maybe they could be educated on the errors of their ways. Deplatforming does nothing but push these ideas underground. They have to be raised so they can be confronted. If we deplatformed everybody that was considered a "bigot" nowadays there would be no debate!

...and I feel that term "bigot" gets thrown around so casually nowadays. It's now often used to describe someone you disagree with politically (mostly somebody who has conservative views) instead of someone who is truly prejudiced.

 

[TheQ22]

Someone telling you "I don't agree with you" or "I think you are wrong" is not racism.

It's called growing up.

 

[noaccount]

Huh unfortunate that some people mistook this for the thread of white apologism and denial about things they're not dealing with.

OP I can offer you some bug repellant if you want.

 

[mapletree]

Someone telling you "I don't agree with you" or "I think you are wrong" is not racism.

It's called growing up.

what opinions of yours exactly have been called out as racist but not actually racist and people just need to grow up, im actually curious about the specific opinions here

Can you spray the troll that invited itself to land in my inbox please?

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yeah this is why im not thrilled about hanging out on planet earth for much longer

actually you guys can send as much reactionary shit into my inbox as you want i need an impetus to ctb so let em rip you weird assholes
I have gotten no messages and I must conclude you are both racist and lazy and or I'm too stupid to find and open messages

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Huh unfortunate that some people mistook this for the thread of white apologism and denial about things they're not dealing with.

OP I can offer you some bug repellant if you want.

Hi, could you specify where you saw white apologism in this thread?

Are you saying there are dog whistles and code words meant to convey a racist message in an underhand way?

I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties, nor between races (my addition)– but right through every human heart" - Solzhenitsyn

 

[mapletree]

Hi, could you specify where you saw white apologism in this thread?

Are you saying there are dog whistles and code words meant to convey a racist message in an underhand way?

I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties, nor between races (my addition)– but right through every human heart" - Solzhenitsyn

The line between good and evil seems to be like drawn between peoples internal organs right now via bullets and tear gas if we're skipping the feelgood sentimental shit. Like quite literally through the human heart :)

I'm not OP but people immediately jumping in with accusations of censorship (??? Wtf are you guys talking about) and somebody saying that there isn't a problem with racism people just need to grow up and also the guy who sent people insane virulently racist misogynistic PMs may have had something to do with it

 

[esse_est_percipi]

The line between good and evil seems to be like drawn between peoples internal organs right now via bullets and tear gas if we're skipping the feelgood sentimental shit. Like quite literally through the human heart :)

I've stopped listening to the news, so I have no idea what's going on anymore.
Human history is brutal and savage and cruel. Because all humans have that capacity for evil, regardless of ethnicity or origin.

people immediately jumping in with accusations of censorship (??? Wtf are you guys talking about)

I don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the guy who sent people insane virulently racist misogynistic PMs may have had something to do with to

I have no idea what that's about

 

[Anonymoussn]

I have no idea what that's about

Myself and at least one other user received a torrent of abuse by another user on here. I posted the screenshot here but I deleted it cause Mods were dealing with it anyway so figured I probably should. They used lots of incredibly offensive slurs which I won't repeat. I'd not had any recent interaction with them so it was very strange...