Anyone here fears "rebirth" ?

[Suicideisnirvana]

I placed rebirth between " " and have to emphasize i mean something more akin to this https://opentheory.net/2018/09/a-new-theory-of-open-individualism/ than some religious rebirth. I don't believe in any bullcrap like souls, "karma", " merit this and deserving whatever that means" nor in any homunculus situated in the brain called "me" who is driving things. But specifically because i don't believe in any of these things, and as i believe we are just a configuration of the universe, or the way an organism perspective looks from the inside, and as the universe had the possibility from its very start to invite us unasked into this hellhole, i can't find a convincing argument of why it can't happen again, idefinitely, and it scares the shit out of me. I'm not talking about anything surviving, or anything of that sort, after all nothing transmigrated before we were born, and yet here we are. Check the link i posted.

 

[mentionized1]

I placed rebirth between " " and have to emphasize i mean something more akin to this https://opentheory.net/2018/09/a-new-theory-of-open-individualism/ than some religious rebirth. I don't believe in any bullcrap like souls, "karma", " merit this and deserving whatever that means" nor in any homunculus situated in the brain called "me" who is driving things. But specifically because i don't believe in any of these things, and as i believe we are just a configuration of the universe, or the way an organism perspective looks from the inside, and as the universe had the possibility from its very start to invite us unasked into this hellhole, i can't find a convincing argument of why it can't happen again, idefinitely, and it scares the shit out of me. I'm not talking about anything surviving, or anything of that sort, after all nothing transmigrated before we were born, and yet here we are. Check the link i posted.

Very interesting.

 

[nooo2]

I strongly believe that this is the thing that will 100% happen when we die, I do believe in reincarnation but I don't believe in the karma's, and bad luck or any of that garbage. I just believe that no matter what, we were made to experience this world infinitely. Thank god we don't get to have memories of our past life, if that's what really happens when we die.

 

[PaYo]

The new theories in physics are telling us that consciousness is being the basis of our universe. The atoms knows when whey are observed and the theory of non-determinism and multiverse telling us that everything is connected and the rebirth might be an option. So, yeah there is reincarnation. But your physic brain dies and your problems should go away. You starting with tabula rasa blanck card. As my friend says, when you die, its like very strong LSD trip. And then you rebirth into new life. BUT what you have done in this life have impact on your next life. Just because after you die everything can happen, and this everything have base in your previous experiences.

 

[snowman626]

That is the shittiest scenario to have to come back over and over indefinitely. But I don't think that's the case, I think rebirth is a choice. Think about this.. the earth used to have way less humans 1000s of years ago, now we have 7.5 billion, where did the extra souls come from? Where were they when earth only had like 2 million people? Did they not exist or were they living on another dimension?

If we assume that these souls have always existed then that means earth's capacity is merely expanding in size and that more souls from elsewhere come here to learn or maybe get tricked to come here. but that there must also be another place where all the souls currently not on earth lives.

In any case earth will eventually die due to the sun dying, so the idea of indefinite rebirth won't work.

 

[PaYo]

In any case earth will eventually die due to the sun dying, so the idea of indefinite rebirth won't work.

How small you know.

You have extra planets, extra galaxy systems, extra universes, other big bangs and extra dimensions, the world is INFINITE, and from that infinite we came from. And we heading to infinite to realize that our purpose is to live and to live you have to incarnate. That's it. That is the point of existence. To live! So that's why reincarnation might be infinite.
I recommend to all to you, you should all try ayahuasca and the truth will be reveal to you.

 

[snowman626]

How small you know.

You have extra planets, extra galaxy systems, extra universes, other big bangs and extra dimensions, the world is INFINITE, and from that infinite we came from. And we heading to infinite to realize that our purpose is to live and to live you have to incarnate. That's it. That is the point of existence. To live! So that's why reincarnation might be infinite.
I recommend to all to you, you should all try ayahuasca and the truth will be reveal to you.

I am well aware there's other worlds but when other say rebirth they generally mean rebirth back here and not as some alien creatures on another galaxy. Incarnations are not the problem if there are better worlds to incarnate to. Can't get much worse than this one,incarnations to other worlds will likely be an upgrade. Its repeat coming back here to this shithole I'd have a problem with.

 

[PaYo]

yup. thats might be a problem

 

[Vegrau]

No. Fairy tales arent real.

 

[Overit1221]

I often wonder about this... but ultimately try not to dwell on it. Gives me anxiety lol

 

[PaYo]

No. Fairy tales arent real.

Listen to Nassim Haramein, physicist who talks that's consciousness is the foundation for reality. And look into Pantheism about all mater all atoms being conscious. So no fairy tales, just science bitch.

 

[toolateforme]

God I'm so scared of the unknown. The fact that literally NO ONE knows what it's like doesn't make it any better. If we are reborn, I'm hoping I'm not reborn with my memories (although I don't think theres any reliable reports of that happening). If I'm reborn with the same memories I might end up wanting to CTB out the womb hah

 

[Vegrau]

Listen to Nassim Haramein, physicist who talks that's consciousness is the foundation for reality. And look into Pantheism about all mater all atoms being conscious. So no fairy tales, just science bitch.

Why should I? What a load of bs youre selling there. You should stop disguising theism as science. It truly show how uneducated you are. Pantheism is a belief. Like monotheism, deism and polytheism. Do you even know what a belief is? Its like saying Scientology is true. Just because you believe in it doesnt mean its true or other should believe in it too. There's no proof. Science need prove. For goodness sake.

Also he is a physicist and thats just his personal opinion. Do you know what an opinion is? Also consciousness as foundation for reality do you even know what that means? Our existence and the existence of everything around us are define by our senses and our senses function because we are conscious. We consciously creating the reality that we see, hear, feel, touch and think. Its not that everything have consciousness. Do you even know what consciousness is? Please dont disgrace yourself like this and I really dont have time dealing with this sht. Peddle your bs fairy bs tales elsewhere. I am not getting paid for this.

 

[Tally]

No idea. Biocentrism is an interesting read

 

[Cevapcici]

Mmm no, I'm not scared this might happen. I firmly believe that once by brain cells are dead, my consciousness(or soul, or whatever you call it) is no longer here. Im pretty convinced the only thing awaiting humans after death is putrefaction.

 

[NoOneKnows]

technically some belief is what initiates scientific research, you first have a hypothesis which subsequently you are attempting to prove it, only because there are no efficient ways how to prove it as of yet, dont mean that its not there, wasnt disproven.
Sometimes Im glad they are selling us materialism, cuz if people could prove existence of non material (on this place of existence) they would try to hijack it and abuse it in some way. Human nature driven mainly by ego desires to control everything lol

 

[discokicks]

I don't believe in it for the simple fact that I don't remember being another person. Like I wasn't Samuel Johnson in 1687 in London or something. So if I "came back" then I'd just die again. Nope don't believe it.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I don't believe in it for the simple fact that I don't remember being another person. Like I wasn't Samuel Johnson in 1687 in London or something. So if I "came back" then I'd just die again. Nope don't believe it.

I thought that too.

 

[Santiago]

Listen to Nassim Haramein, physicist who talks that's consciousness is the foundation for reality. And look into Pantheism about all mater all atoms being conscious. So no fairy tales, just science bitch.

'Science'

That was a good joke. I'll give you that

 

[suicideofpeace]

i strongly belive if i die, there is nothing.
i belive steven hawking rather than the bible, rebirth and karma.

 

[PaYo]

There's no proof. Science need prove. For goodness sake.

Here's your proof - Double slit experiment, and quantum eraser experiment

Do you even know what consciousness is?

Do you!? First opinion is that consciousness is made by Brain. Second that Brain is merely the antenna and memories are build in fabric of universe. Both are beliefs because no one knows how the neurons works. And both can be discussed.

Biocentrism is an interesting read

Kind of biocentrism. Coz, there is one difference. Nassim's theory says that there is objective reality, but biocentrizm I dont know.

That was a good joke. I'll give you that

I really recommend you to read his paper about radius of schwarzschild proton. He correctly calculate the mass of a proton and make good prediction about gravity, eliminating the strong and weak force. He also eliminate the Dark matter and energy leaving only 2 forces that's we see with our senses. Electromagnetic force and gravity.

His prediction also indicated that every particle are entangle with quantum tunneling. ER=EPR, with predictions made by Leonard Susskind. So... two guy thinking the same. Not mentioning also Quantum Gravity Research with they e8 lattice projects. They are corresponding.

 

[Tally]

I don't believe in it for the simple fact that I don't remember being another person. Like I wasn't Samuel Johnson in 1687 in London or something. So if I "came back" then I'd just die again. Nope don't believe it.

Some people do claim these experiences and memories of past lives.

 

[Deadgirl]

The new theories in physics are telling us that consciousness is being the basis of our universe. The atoms knows when whey are observed and the theory of non-determinism and multiverse telling us that everything is connected and the rebirth might be an option. So, yeah there is reincarnation. But your physic brain dies and your problems should go away. You starting with tabula rasa blanck card. As my friend says, when you die, its like very strong LSD trip. And then you rebirth into new life. BUT what you have done in this life have impact on your next life. Just because after you die everything can happen, and this everything have base in your previous experiences.

I am curious about this theory. What in this life would impact us in the next life theoretically?

 

[PaYo]

I am curious about this theory. What in this life would impact us in the next life theoretically?

Our habits, will be past to next life. Its like, considering that universe is conscious its like making house of the lego blocks, you build it and make mistakes, but you learn what mistakes was, and next time you build it without that mistakes but it is similar to the one you build previous because it build on your knowledge of previous life. Everything you know from that life would be past to the next life and can be known as karma. Its never ending proces, coz, universe is never ending.

Some people do claim these experiences and memories of past lives.

The feeling of I AM will be eterneal, habits are temporary, and they will be past to the next life, but it can vary very much. Especially, when life going to be respectively challenging you with reality. You can be very different person, with the same mind habits and be the same person with different habits. There is no rule. But still I think there is the feeling of I that transmigrate to other body.

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

I've had a lot of dreams related to drowning and being a pilot. I get weird and emotional about World War 2 documentaries and trivia. Where did I get this from? I don't know but there does seem to be a theme. When I was a little kid I used to have unusual names for my stuffed animals. I named a little red stuffed bear I got from my grandmother "Ralph Waldo Emerson the Third". I'm almost certain nobody read to me Ralph Waldo Emerson poems. I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household. I didn't recognize the name until much later in life. I have a ton of other things like this from my childhood that really confuse me. I had very specific interests and ideas that came from somewhere... I didn't get them from my parents. I look back at these things and I'm like... WTF? It doesn't make sense if I was just born a blank slate. I don't really think it proves to me we go through reincarnation but it makes me wonder about the nature of consciousness. I think the whole "I don't remember a past life thus there is none" thing is laughable. I can't remember my own dreams most nights. Is that proof I don't dream? No. I barely remember some details from my early 20s. I actually think it's possible our consciousness exists in a manner that's not obvious. I do think the brain plays a part but I'm not convinced it's the whole story. I don't see it as a reason to be afraid of it. There's lots of things in life I hate that I wish were different but I don't see any reason to just deny it and be afraid. Instead I spend my time carefully analyzing what I do know and reflect on what it all could mean.

 

[601424]

I do believe in reincarnation, but living infinitely in this world should not be considered a bad thing. Just because you hate the world in this life does not mean that you will feel the same way in your next life, you may be incredibly happy. Either way, we are dead for eternity or we live for eternity and imo those two choices aren't half bad. Death is comfort and living doesn't always have to be hell.

 

[discokicks]

yea

Some people do claim these experiences and memories of past lives.

yeah but some people claim to see the image of the Holy Spirit in a piece of toast doesn;'t make them right

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

It's hilarious when people reply without even reading the post, just the title.

It has nothing to do with karma, soul, anything transmigrating or surviving. That's not what open individualism states, and it has also nothing to do with pop quantum theory (altough Schrodinger is one of the proponents of open individualism), It's about personal identity, what makes me "me" to begin with.

No. Fairy tales arent real.

It's only a fairytale if you like life. For people like me it's horrifying. So the "argument by anti-wishful thinking " doesn't work and i have to be wary of my own wishful thinking : for death to be final.

i strongly belive if i die, there is nothing.
i belive steven hawking rather than the bible, rebirth and karma.

If you wanna just use an argument by authority with a famous phycisit i can use Schrodinger who is a proponent of open individualism.

• Multiplicity is only apparent, in truth, there is only one mind...
  • Erwin Schrödinger, "The Oneness of Mind", as translated in Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists (1984) edited by Ken Wilber
• Consciousness is never experienced in the plural, only in the singular. Not only has none of us ever experienced more than one consciousness, but there is also no trace of circumstantial evidence of this ever happening anywhere in the world. If I say that there cannot be more than one consciousness in the same mind, this seems a blunt tautology — we are quite unable to imagine the contrary...
  • Erwin Schrödinger, "The Oneness of Mind", as translated in Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists (1984) edited by Ken Wilber
• It is not possible that this unity of knowledge, feeling and choice which you call your own should have sprung into being from nothingness at a given moment not so long ago; rather this knowledge, feeling, and choice are essentially eternal and unchangeable and numerically one in all men, nay in all sensitive beings. But not in this sense — that you are a part, a piece, of an eternal, infinite being, an aspect or modification of it... For we should then have the same baffling question: which part, which aspect are you? what, objectively, differentiates it from the others? No, but, inconceiveable as it seems to ordinary reason, you — and all other conscious beings as such — are all in all. Hence, this life of yours... is, in a certain sense, the whole... This, as we know, is what the Brahmins express in that sacred, mystic formula... 'Tat tvam asi' — this is you. Or, again, in such words as 'I am in the east and in the west, I am below and above, I am this whole world.'Thus you can throw yourself flat on the ground, stretched out upon Mother Earth, with certain conviction that you are one with her and she with you … For eternally and always there is only now, one and the same now; the present is the only thing that has no end.
  • Erwin Schrödinger, "The Mystic Vision" as translated in Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists (1984) edited by Ken Wilber
• The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one. The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down as a result of recent experience in the physical sciences, for this barrier does not exist.
  • Erwin Schrödinger, Mind and Matter (1958)

 

[NOT]

I feel like there is some kind of spiritual warfare going on here. I like Buddha because he was a man not a god. Christianity and Islam scare the shit out of me. I can relate to Taoism, mother of the universe concept. I just dont feel humans are on the top of the food chain in this place. I feel inspired to leave.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

I feel like there is some kind of spiritual warfare going on here. I like Buddha because he was a man not a god. Christianity and Islam scare the shit out of me. I can relate to Taoism, mother of the universe concept. I just dont feel humans are on the top of the food chain in this place. I feel inspired to leave.

The thing is that open individualism isn't even a spiritual theory, it's a philosophical theory that is compatible with naturalism. It doesn't state the existence of anything surnatural like souls, god, karmas, whatever. It's actually a very parcimonious theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_individualism

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Open_individualism

https://www.reddit.com/r/openindividualism