Method Anyone else doing inert gas with an exit bag?

[Obliviate]

I don't see many people doing inert gas asphyxiation that too with just as an exit bag instead of the other mask and scuba alternatives. I was wondering if the ones that are currently doing this method with an exit bag wanted to make a group chat or something to discuss further about the method? The ones who will be leaving soon.

 

[Install-Gentoo]

It's not popular because this method is a little expensive and if you mess it up, you get permanent disabilities. It's a very precise thing to do.
However it does seem like a good way to go if done correctly...

 

[Obliviate]

It's not popular because this method is a little expensive and if you mess it up, you get permanent disabilities. It's a very precise thing to do.
However it does seem like a good way to go if done correctly...

Yes I realize that, It's a bit expensive hence why I'm using an exit bag instead of the expensive masks. Most of the money goes into the gas itself.

 

[Somber]

Considering N no longer is available, an Exit Bag seems the best way to go. Did you watch Betty's videos in the PPH?

 

[Obliviate]

Considering N no longer is available, an Exit Bag seems the best way to go. Did you watch Betty's videos in the PPH?

I did although it's not available anymore online but "Doing it with CHi" is the exact remake of it. I made a post about finally figuring out how to make the confusing exit bag

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-finally-deciphered-how-to-make-an-exit-bag.100531/

 

[Somber]

I agree that the explanation in the PPH is more complicated than it really needs to be. Have you picked a gas yet?

 

[Obliviate]

I agree that the explanation in the PPH is more complicated than it really needs to be. Have you picked a gas yet?

Yes I purchased argon, regulator and all other materials months ago. I just have to do some new tests and some trials and I should be good to go. I mean technically I can go now but wanna be sure

 

[Somber]

You chose argon because it's more readily available in smaller cannisters than nitrogen? I would have preferred nitrogen, but I ended up buying Argon as well. I know how it feels like to inhale nitrogen (considering the composition of air), but I don't know what it will be like with argon

 

[my-end]

I have an eb/n2 setup. Self made eb from 13 gal trash bag. I don't even have a flow gauge, just a regulator.

 

[Obliviate]

You chose argon because it's more readily available in smaller cannisters than nitrogen? I would have preferred nitrogen, but I ended up buying Argon as well. I know how it feels like to inhale nitrogen (considering the composition of air), but I don't know what it will be like with argon

Yeah I chose argon because it was more available than nitrogen. There all inert gases so it doesn't matter too much. I inhaled some argon and felt sleepy and lightheaded dizzy. I actually read a study that stated argon is even better for this method. I have to find it again

I have an eb/n2 setup. Self made eb from 13 gal trash bag. I don't even have a flow gauge, just a regulator.

How will you determine and control the flow?

 

[pipapo]

I don't see many people doing inert gas asphyxiation that too with just as an exit bag instead of the other mask and scuba alternatives. I was wondering if the ones that are currently doing this method with an exit bag wanted to make a group chat or something to discuss further about the method? The ones who will be leaving soon.

yeah it seems like "inert gas megathread" is just about SCBA and mask stuff, not about bag anymore…

 

[Obliviate]

yeah it seems like "inert gas megathread" is just about SCBA and mask stuff, not about bag anymore…

right but it's still very doable with just the bag and I need to leave as much money as I can behind for my cats.

 

[Somber]

Yeah I chose argon because it was more available than nitrogen. There all inert gases so it doesn't matter too much. I inhaled some argon and felt sleepy and lightheaded dizzy. I actually read a study that stated argon is even better for this method. I have to find it again

Definitely interested in reading it if you happen to find it.

I assume I wouldn't be exhaling any CO2 if all I'm inhaling is argon? Otherwise I might end up with a CO2 buildup in the exit bag as argon is heavier than oxygen?

 

[Fennec123]

Yup im doing exit bag. Have pretty much everything i need now:

5l tank of Nitrogen
Regulator
Flowmeter
PVC tubing & clip
oven bag
Elastic

Just need to get some micropore tape and book the hotel....

 

[GasMonkey]

Otherwise I might end up with a CO2 buildup in the exit bag as argon is heavier than oxygen?

The constant flow of gas removes the CO₂ from the bag thru the gap in the neck.

 

[Obliviate]

Definitely interested in reading it if you happen to find it.

I assume I wouldn't be exhaling any CO2 if all I'm inhaling is argon? Otherwise I might end up with a CO2 buildup in the exit bag as argon is heavier than oxygen?

I found it. It is a scholarly journal from korea in 2021. I can PM you the entire article.

Here is the interesting argon part. "However, experimental studies have reported that argon is a stronger asphyxiant than helium or nitrogen. Altland et al. [14] discovered that rats that had been exposed to helium, nitrogen, or argon showed survival rates after one hour of 92%, 60%, and 12% respectively, demonstrating that argon was the strongest asphyxiant. Another study identified that argon gas has a sedative effect via actions on GABAA​, the receptor targeted by benzodiazepines [15]. Thus, argon could present a more attractive option for those considering suicide as it may help alleviate fear. In Korea, argon gas is inexpensive and easily accessible online without any regard for intended use, so more concerns are arising."

Yup im doing exit bag. Have pretty much everything i need now:

5l tank of Nitrogen
Regulator
Flowmeter
PVC tubing & clip
oven bag
Elastic

Just need to get some micropore tape and book the hotel....

NIce!!! I have all my materials as well. Although question, I feel like micropore is not strong, sticky enough, especially to tape the tube inside the bag. I was thinking stronger like duct tape? Also what do you think of using a PVC tube vs O2 tube? I have both and the gas experts told me to use the O2 tube even thought is SIGNIFICANLTY smaller

 

[my-end]

How will you determine and control the flow?

Searched for a formula that converted psi to lpm based on tubing size (which is very low 1-2 psi). Approximated that result combined with numerous practices and attempts. I determined if the flow is sufficient to maintain the bag inflation while breathing and excess pressure is exiting around the neck I'll be good. My thing was not hyperventilating enough prior to pulling bag down so it was taking too long too black out.

 

[GasMonkey]

However, experimental studies have reported that argon is a stronger asphyxiant than helium or nitrogen. Altland et al. [14] discovered that rats that had been exposed to helium, nitrogen, or argon showed survival rates after one hour of 92%, 60%, and 12% respectively, demonstrating that argon was the strongest asphyxiant.

I suspect that was due to the higher weight of Argon making it easier to be inhaled by the animals in the cage (same reason why Nitrogen performed better than Helium).

 

[Obliviate]

I suspect that was due to the higher weight of Argon making it easier to be inhaled by the animals in the cage (same reason why Nitrogen performed better than Helium).

So oxygen is denser than both nitrogen and helium but argon is denser than oxygen. Carbon dioxide is denser than all. But argon is comes the closest to the density of CO2. Interesting. So this method works because whatever inert gas expels CO2 and O2 at a constant rate/flow out of the opening while we also breathe in the inert gas?

The effect of the GABA receptors is huge plus too with argon

Searched for a formula that converted psi to lpm based on tubing size (which is very low 1-2 psi). Approximated that result combined with numerous practices and attempts. I determined if the flow is sufficient to maintain the bag inflation while breathing and excess pressure is exiting around the neck I'll be good. My thing was not hyperventilating enough prior to pulling bag down so it was taking too long too black out.

Oh you already made an attempt?

 

[Fennec123]

I found it. It is a scholarly journal from korea in 2021. I can PM you the entire article.

Here is the interesting argon part. "However, experimental studies have reported that argon is a stronger asphyxiant than helium or nitrogen. Altland et al. [14] discovered that rats that had been exposed to helium, nitrogen, or argon showed survival rates after one hour of 92%, 60%, and 12% respectively, demonstrating that argon was the strongest asphyxiant. Another study identified that argon gas has a sedative effect via actions on GABAA​, the receptor targeted by benzodiazepines [15]. Thus, argon could present a more attractive option for those considering suicide as it may help alleviate fear. In Korea, argon gas is inexpensive and easily accessible online without any regard for intended use, so more concerns are arising."

NIce!!! I have all my materials as well. Although question, I feel like micropore is not strong, sticky enough, especially to tape the tube inside the bag. I was thinking stronger like duct tape? Also what do you think of using a PVC tube vs O2 tube? I have both and the gas experts told me to use the O2 tube even thought is SIGNIFICANLTY smaller

Yeah I never got an answer as to why Micropore is recommended.... i was going to just use normal Sellotape... or maybe duct tape.... but i dunno :/

As for the tubing, i got 5mm tubing which i guess is close enough to oxygen tubing? I originally bought tubing with my Nitrogen tank, but i think that's way too bulky, heavy and stiff, so i wont be using that.

 

[Obliviate]

Update: My inert gas method no longer works, have to resort to SN

 

[Mare Imbrium]

Update: My inert gas method no longer works, have to resort to SN

What happened?

 

[lukas19]

What happened?

Shame exit bag was to be my first option but failing that i need to source SN (if i can get it in the UK)

 

[Obliviate]

What happened?

Shame exit bag was to be my first option but failing that i need to source SN (if i can get it in the UK)

This is my post regarding on what happen but you can see if it works for you.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-method-not-working-for-me.107300/

 

[lukas19]

This is my post regarding on what happen but you can see if it works for you.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-method-not-working-for-me.107300/

THANK YOU

 

[Obliviate]

THANK YOU

It was just very odd I literally have no idea what the problem is because everything was perfect but it doesn't mean that it won't work for you. So give the testing a shot if you can

 

[lukas19]

A search on internet SN is impossible to buy in UK. Just a thought, would Argon because it is heavier than oxygen it would fall out of the bag whereas helium is lighter it would stay at the top of the bag?

 

[GasMonkey]

The PPeH says that the three gases are viable with the correct flow rate.
I think Helium maybe would be slightly superior due to being so light.
The most common CTB gas nowadays is Nitrogen.

 

[Obliviate]

A search on internet SN is impossible to buy in UK. Just a thought, would Argon because it is heavier than oxygen it would fall out of the bag whereas helium is lighter it would stay at the top of the bag?

Well according to multiple aiding to CTB books/sources argon shouldn't be a problem and there have been cases in the past of people committing with argon. Also the first time I did a trial it inflated perfectly. In fact when doing research I mentioned above on this thread that argon can be more beneficial.

Here is the interesting argon part. "However, experimental studies have reported that argon is a stronger asphyxiant than helium or nitrogen. Altland et al. [14] discovered that rats that had been exposed to helium, nitrogen, or argon showed survival rates after one hour of 92%, 60%, and 12% respectively, demonstrating that argon was the strongest asphyxiant. Another study identified that argon gas has a sedative effect via actions on GABAA​, the receptor targeted by benzodiazepines [15]. Thus, argon could present a more attractive option for those considering suicide as it may help alleviate fear. In Korea, argon gas is inexpensive and easily accessible online without any regard for intended use, so more concerns are arising."

 

[lukas19]

Well according to multiple aiding to CTB books/sources argon shouldn't be a problem and there have been cases in the past of people committing with argon. Also the first time I did a trial it inflated perfectly. In fact when doing research I mentioned above on this thread that argon can be more beneficial.

Here is the interesting argon part. "However, experimental studies have reported that argon is a stronger asphyxiant than helium or nitrogen. Altland et al. [14] discovered that rats that had been exposed to helium, nitrogen, or argon showed survival rates after one hour of 92%, 60%, and 12% respectively, demonstrating that argon was the strongest asphyxiant. Another study identified that argon gas has a sedative effect via actions on GABAA​, the receptor targeted by benzodiazepines [15]. Thus, argon could present a more attractive option for those considering suicide as it may help alleviate fear. In Korea, argon gas is inexpensive and easily accessible online without any regard for intended use, so more concerns are arising."

Yes both Amazon and Ebay have it. looking at the 220ltr bottle Thank you