Anybody like watching Jordan Peterson talks on YouTube?

[sif]

I only joke in threads where dead people are discussed.

Clearly

 

[Chinaski]

If you take personal responsibility away from people with things like the welfare state, morals break down because the damages/costs are socialized onto society as a whole instead of accruing to the individual. Think single mothers as an example. It decivilizes society when women have kids with men who are not willing or able to help provide for u when u get pregnant. But since there's a welfare state, women get a stream of income just by having a kid. Well the unfortunate thing is that kids from this situation often become damaged so then they are likely to end up in prison at some point and now tax payers are forced to pay for the mistake u made by getting pregnant outside of wedlock. Do u see how without welfare state either the parents of the girl step in to help raise the child, or u would be forced to give your child up for adoption, because abortion is also forced on the population through taxation. So all those abortion mills might not be so common or easily accessible.

I've seen you post this drivel on more than one occasion and l have to point out, again, the rancid wrongness of this take.

Women should not be penalised for having children, financially or otherwise. Children from single parents should not be presented as future prison fodder. No two people should be forced to remain in an unhappy or harmful marriage. It's quite right that society takes a collective responsibility for the welfare and upkeep of all its citizens; they are the future workforce, contributors to society, "taxpayers" as you put it, they are not defective simply because you find it galling that the parents of this child aren't of sufficient social standing. The "feckless breeding of the feral poor" is about as unappealing a right-wing myth as they come.

Further to this, you make many points about the burden of social security, first on the old who have paid their dues, now on the young who have transgressed by being born out of wedlock. Does it ever occur to you how much is drained from the system by those who avoid paying their fair share of tax, as opposed to that taken by those in actual need who are very much deserving of social security?

 

[Final Escape]

Oh please.Bad capitalism.Boo hoo.
Free market systems are the best,and it has been proven by history.
Look at this: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/economic-freedom-of-the-world-2018-execsummary.pdf

Let me ask you this: DO YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH HIGH ECONOMIC FREEDOM OR NOT?
Thats all you need to tell me.The fact that almost anyone wants to live in the West (economic freedom,capitalism) tells you all the truth.

Why do all the immigrants come to USA,Europe,Canada if CAPITALISM IS SO BAD?

Agreed free markets are the most humane because nobody gets to free ride off the backs of others and everybody held accountable for everything. Also it's always win/win transactions. Nobody in nature agrees to win/lose business transactions, and that's really all there is to understand about human nature. Everybody is selfish but this is healthy because u want everyone to act in their own best interest. Which is usually something positive for most people which then benefits other people as well. However, this can only happen in a truly free market.

 

[Othermind]

You dont protect against fascism,by introducing more fascism...

This is why your post does not merit a response beyond what I'm giving.
Think on it.

 

[Pulpit2018]

Everybody is selfish but this is healthy because u want everyone to act in their own best interest. Which is usually something positive for most people which then benefits other people as well. However, this can only happen in a truly free market.

Agreed,but may i add:
I do not think that someone who wants to prosper and become more wealthy is selfish.I think its totally reasonable that someone wants to decide what he wants to do with his money without other people interfering.
I think thats basic survival to be honest.One must not apologize for wanting to secure a better future for himself.
Neither does it mean,that he wants to see others in misery.After all charity exists.
Of course,things are not simple,and you can hurt other people by stealing etc...There must be rules sure.

In the end of the day,if people improve their situation ,the whole society improves as people depend on others less.
Thats the god awful capitalism we talk about...

 

[Pulpit2018]

This is why your post does not merit a response beyond what I'm giving.
Think on it.

Nope.Your post basically was:Totalitarianism is bad,but MY Totalitarianism is good,okay?
You practically said "fight fire with fire"
I had to correct such basic error.

 

[Othermind]

Nope.Your post basically was:Totalitarianism is bad,but MY Totalitarianism is good,okay?
I had to correct such basic error.

So this is coming from the guy who suggested that PRIVATE FUCKING COMPANIES should be the ones who combat misinformation on the internet. You know, people only accountable to their shareholders that would never in the slightest have any vested interest in perpetrating such misinformation. Yes, they should be the gatekeepers of truth on the web.
You then proceeded to post two infographs from God knows what reactionary sewer that don't mention a single source between them.
You're making the argument for me that you and people like you should be kept out of public discourse, mate.

 

[ReadyasEver]

Interesting, all I can do point to is my own example to this equation. As mentioned before, we grew up skirting the poverty line for most of my childhood. We did receive government assistance and community assistance to attend school. Now, we had a mother and father the entire time in marriage growing up. They were a united front in rearing. We did have a solid extended family that helped as they could. All three of us attended college and graduated to professional careers.
I believe that this was only possible by the constant presecence and guidance of our parents. I can't begin to list the time and instances when we were teased, shunned, and ignored for being from the " wrong side of the tracks ". When we reached high school, the teasing stopped and attempted bullying ceased. We were fortunate in this regard for being all large physically imposing boys. But we never used that to gain advantage. We were not brought up that way.
So much depends on circumstance, we were able to not become a statistic of kids who come from those neighborhoods. Society in general, was not a great deal of help except for financial assistance. It was the steady hand of parents and family with positive reinforcement.
Offering money, food, shelter, a job by society to those in great need is not enough. Mentoring, life training and a steady calm hand of reassurance and guidance is just as important. Throwing money at the situation is only a bandaid, true caring is needed.

 

[Pulpit2018]

So this is coming from the guy who suggested that PRIVATE FUCKING COMPANIES should be the ones who combat misinformation on the internet. You know, people only accountable to their shareholders that would never in the slightest have any vested interest in perpetrating such misinformation. Yes, they should be the gatekeepers of truth on the web.
You then proceeded to post two infographs from God knows what reactionary sewer that don't mention a single source between them.
You're making the argument for me that you and people like you should be kept out of public discourse, mate.

The fraser institute and world economic report is now a "reactionary sewer".
I for one ,dont want a guy like you to be the gatekeeper of truth.Keep believing that Big Gov is going to save you.
You make a fool of yourself,my friend.Everybody who disagrees with you is a nazi or sth,and needs their free speech cut off.
When they come to break down your door,rant about how "private companies" and "reactionaries are at fault".
Dont forget to say "i love you big brother" before they vaporize you.

 

[Othermind]

The fraser institute and world economic report is now a "reactionary sewer".

Yes.

 

[Pulpit2018]

Mentoring, life training and a steady calm hand of reassurance and guidance is just as important.

They are far more important.Other people giving you money,wont bring you success.Survival maybe,but not success.

 

[Pulpit2018]

Yes.

Written on a computer,posted on the internet,that was possible because of the advances of free market,economic freedom and the West.

 

[Othermind]

Written on a computer,posted on the internet,that was possible because of the advances of free market,economic freedom and the West.

Wrong.

 

[About_to_Go]

Dont forget to say "i love you big brother" before they vaporize you.

This is my new method.

 

[Chinaski]

Offering money, food, shelter, a job by society to those in great need is not enough. Mentoring, life training and a steady calm hand of reassurance and guidance is just as important. Throwing money at the situation is only a bandaid, true caring is needed.

This is an interesting point but one which could be taken two ways:

1) that vital public services and social security shouldn't begin and end with financial aid, to which l would agree, or

2) some people in a low income bracket require instruction as to how to be a decent and worthy citizen, to which l would disagree.

Rich folk and poor folk can have a shitty moral compass. If you're from a poor background and step out of societal boundaries by thieving, bullying, exploiting others you probably go to jail. If you're born into great wealth, the field is there for you to exploit, bully, coerce; what would get someone on a welfare check a PD diagnosis is no barrier to the White House if you're a multi-millionaire. It should not be incumbent upon the poor to accept their supposedly increased likelihood of deviance and be expected to address this.

Another point I'd like to make on this is that it's often overlooked that the rich benefit significantly from the largesse of the taxpayer; they have a police department to protect their wealth and property, a healthy and educated workforce to pick from, numerous government contracts to provide essential services which are propped up by the taxpayer, municipal infrastructure they can utilise, bail outs when necessary, and so much more is provided to those very same people who don't pay their fair share. Socialism works for them, l don't see why it shouldn't be made to work for everyone.

 

[ReadyasEver]

LOL, 22,000 lb cruise missile right between the eyes. Painless and cremated all at the same time, the two for one special

 

[Hopeless_soul]

This is my new method.

The Big Brother image is constantly misused. It's the panacea for whatever social or political argument you have. It's just tiresome.

 

[Johnnythefox]

Written on a computer

Most likely made in a factory in China where the workers are paid peanuts and can't even CTB owing to safety nets.
Welcome tae capitalism pal.

As for everyone wanting to move to murica! Am I the only one who doesn't?
Murica causes more trouble than the rest of the world put together.

 

[Othermind]

The Big Brother image is constantly misused. It's the panacea for whatever social or political argument you have. It's just tiresome.

Jesus Christ I was about to post the exact same thing. Orwell gets way too much of a free pass for his hare-brained understanding of socialism and "1984" should not be given as a summer reading to highschoolers.

 

[Chinaski]

.Survival maybe,but not success.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous logic here.

"Ensuring that people are at least fed, housed and have access to healthcare WILL help you survive, but I'm going to deprive you of those things because they don't necessarily bring success in the form of acquisition"

Okay.

 

[Final Escape]

there's too much people so I doubt we need any children right now, also the only reason why my life is so shit is because my mum decided to get married so....

We do need responsible and wise people to have more kids but maybe less responsibile people to not be paid to breed. Did your mom remarry to a new guy? Might be why. My mom did this a few times in the course of my formative years. It was a nightmare.

 

[Chinaski]

Jesus Christ I was about to post the exact same thing. Orwell gets way too much of a free pass for his hare-brained understanding of socialism and "1984" should not be given as a summer reading to highschoolers.

Absolutely this, would like this post x3.

 

[Pulpit2018]

And nobody here will say that the rich deserve gov assistance.They should handle these things on their own.We are not pro-rich.Neither do we believe that rich people are necessarily good people.

Our difference is on what is acceptable for the government to do.
I dont want the government to mess with the economy damn it!(bail-outs for corporations,high taxes,tarifs,excessive regulations,welfare for people who dont need it).It is bad.
Yes,we know we need some government,someone needs to enforce some rules,we are not a jungle.
We just disagree on the size of it.

 

[Chinaski]

We do need responsible and wise people to have more kids but maybe less responsibile people to not be paid to breed. Did your mom remarry to a new guy? Might be why. My mom did this a few times in the course of my formative years. It was a nightmare.

Eugenics is not a popular argument these days, credit to you for bravely submitting it at least. Er, l think.

 

[ReadyasEver]

I was and am in the highest tax bracket in the US and have been for years. I don't disagree with you Chinaski, only that any form of government that makes decisions on money will become inherently corrupt. Whenever there is the ability to seize advantage over someone else, they eventually do. Every form of governance inherently has developed this problem through history.

 

[Buddyluv19]

The solution would be to cut all those old age benefits that young people have to pay for. Loosen the noose a bit lol! That would be a start. I'm sure there's much that could be done but Im not educated enough about gov spending to understand where all the taxes go and how u could reduce the expenditures. It's like sorry, u were duped by your government, we can't actually afford your old age retirement that u were promised. Guess u shouldn't have trusted the government ponzy schemes huh!

Here's a suggestion: since you claim you are not educated about government spending, you can go to the website for the House Ways and Means committee and learn about it. I'm assuming you are in the US. I would definitely recommend that you look into the actual history of Social Security, when it started, how it evolved, etc.

In summary, if you're going to claim to have a 'solution' to a problem, you should at least understand the parameters.

 

[Pulpit2018]

Wow all those 1984 haters,lol.It is giving socialism a bad name,lol!
We dont want people to be sceptical here!Just accept what the powers say.
Why resist?Its for your own good after all.

 

[Othermind]

Eugenics is not a popular argument these days

Isn't it? I see it all the time in the reactionary cesspool the internet has become in the last 5 years.

 

[Chinaski]

Wow all those 1984 haters,lol.It is giving socialism a bad name,lol!
We dont want people to be sceptical here!Just accept what the powers say.
Why resist?Its for your own good after all.

Well, that's certainly killed any argument I've made earlier in this thread, that's for sure.

 

[Othermind]

Wow all those 1984 haters,lol.It is giving socialism a bad name,lol!
We dont want people to be sceptical here!Just accept what the powers say.
Why resist?Its for your own good after all.

Stop speaking in buzzwords, will you? I know that your brain probably fails to register anything that isn't a tidy little slogan that gives you a self-righteous dopamine kick, but do make an effort when talking to adults.