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mario5757

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Dec 14, 2021
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Hello,
Are there any others who are considered gifted (IQ > 120-130)? I think that's one the main reasons why I would ctb, constantly feeling outside of the general population. How is it for you? Do you consider high intelligence a resource or a limit?

P.S.
Please don't think I am an a*hole because of my post, I really do not want to brag, if it was for me I would happily shave off a few IQ points, life would be a lot easier.
Also, let's not get into philosophical questions of what intelligence/IQ is. I am aware it is an imprecise measure, but it's probably the only decent proxy we have
 
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roguetrader

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Feb 17, 2021
245
High IQ = High Expectations

Its a curse when you fall short….…completely crushing. I wish I never had high expectations at all
 
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21stcenturycamus

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Sep 6, 2021
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It is a complete curse especially if you have been high achieving all your life. There is no stop to pressure of perfection despite its impossibility. The disappointment does not even have to come from people that matter to you. To be honest, my expectations for myself are much harsher than my family and friends'. Plus, if you are also one of those kids with high sensibility and empathy, the world just feels like one mess of a place that you cannot fix. Indeed, it has advantages, perhaps adds more value to your perspective of yourself - a kind of shallow egoism. However, it is a double-edged sword, I would have preferred being less intelligent and rather normal like my peers.
 
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Thankyoufortoday

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Dec 13, 2021
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Me. I was in the gifted program at school. I was always the "smart one" and expectations for me were sky high. I put an insane amount of pressure on myself to be good enough as a result. Now that I'm in nursing school, the thought of getting bad grades sends me over the edge, even though lower grades are the norm for some of these "weed out" classes. No one is telling me I need all As, I'm the one destroying my mental health trying to get them. I won't try new things in fear of being bad at them. I'm in a relationship where I'm currently miserable but I won't end it because it'll make me look like a failure
 
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OldDrummer

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Feb 4, 2022
435
There are different types of intelligence.

Although I've tested twice with an IQ in excess of 140, I never did well in school early on because I found it boring and I came from a socio-economic class that really didn't have many upward-moving options or expectations.

It was only later on that I went to university when I was working in my early 20's. I've a B.Sc, an M.A. and two M.Sc degrees now. That was only because it was in a field that fascinated me.

Intelligence can be a curse.

I look at someone like Karl Pilkington, who with a Mensa tested IQ of 86, is maybe one of the most successful, well-balanced and loved guys around.
 
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callme

I'm a loose cannon - I bang all the time.
Aug 15, 2021
1,234
Plus, if you are also one of those kids with high sensibility and empathy, the world just feels like one mess of a place that you cannot fix

Now try that with an IQ of less than 90, with damaged emotions and complete lack of relationships, but being smart enough to know it's a disaster this place. It's all that is left to see when no longer you can do anything about yourself, born into poverty and stupidity while being socially awkward and trapped there.

Somebody smart, and not just smart but intelligent like you people could at least have expectations and not be guaranteed to throw it down the drain. And when you do, it could be outside of your control.
 
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Ada

Inecapably Human
Jan 14, 2022
61
Yes, I usually find it easy to solve these tests.

My problem is that I am too kind and let people exploit me. I really don't want to live in that world anymore.
 
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porhtna

bad rng.
Dec 1, 2021
43
Yep. God my almighty creator poured those skill points into INT, endowed me with shit emotion detecting and managing abilities, and an ADHD debuff. So every time I fail I crush. Awful gameplay experience, hated every minute of it, 0/10 would not recommend.

Yet I know being "gifted" or "smart" makes many things easier for me, and that it is a privilege I don't deserve, which feeds into my guilt and self-loathing sometimes... even while I'm typing this I feel like a dickhead for complaining. :''')
 
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woknows

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Dec 12, 2020
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Heh, they tested people during good times and when their life took a turn for a wrose. They found a difference of 14 points, just cause of this little factor. I think some of you are taking these tests way too seriously.
 
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UpandDownPrincess

Elementalist
Dec 31, 2019
833
I have repeatedly scored even higher than the range you mentioned throughout my life.

When I was very young, the principal of my school would call me to his office to show off my intellect to visitors, as if he had something to do with it.

I was constantly told that the world expected a lot from my because of my gifts.

My parents had no idea how to handle me, so they ignored my development. To this day, my father remains afraid of me.

Unfortunately, these gifts and the incredible childhood trauma that accompanied them have resulted in my mental illness.

I have friends from elite schools that hold amazing positions in companies all over the world. In the meantime, I am collecting a small disability pension and impress no one.

I'd trade 40 IQ points for a chance to be a normal kid anyday.
 
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the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
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Not to dismiss some possibly understandable gripes, but reading some comments in this thread, and even the opening post itself..I have a few bones to pick.

I disagree that it's a curse, intelligence is a privilege like many others.
Pitfalls? Sure. (Like anything.)
Disadvantages on par with not possessing it? No.

I've used the same expressions when outlining my thoughts on other privileges within this forum, I won't cut this one any slack either, even if I, myself, was considered to be among its ranks once upon a time (before I was bullied to the point I had to leave school and give up my presumed educational trajectory, along with having any mental fortitude and capabilities diminished drastically from other forms of prolonged suffering).
This is a tricky situation too, because those blessed with notable intellectual acuity can very easily use it to make their case sound compelling, even when it is riddled with hidden inaccuracies and bad faith sentiments, sometimes without the "orator" even realizing their own missteps, because the individual is too caught up in their own head and has never known the suffering that occurs without said head on their shoulders.

I was once considered to be of that pack of "the smart ones" while I was still in school, often the top of my class, to the point where it was a funny game to see if anyone could get a higher grade than me on anything at all, just so they could rub it in my face and say "haha I beat Lastflowers!"…not that I'm complaining, I took it as a compliment, even if it was slightly irritating at that age and caused a panic in me to keep up my perceived aptitude.
To me, it was still a silly thing to whine about, and I was only ever openly smug about it on one occasion.
(I also came to know the lesson of "A big fish in a small pond, does not mean a big fish in the entire ocean…or even a bigger pond.")

I did feel somewhat uncomfortable about it, but only because I often thought that maybe I wasn't actually that intelligent and that perhaps I was subconsciously compensating for the fact that I had absolutely nothing else I could manage to be very good at, nothing else I could garner praise for or have pride in.
It's the doubt that's the curse, it's the doubt that maybe, I'm just of average or middling intellect, trying twice as hard, and that's why-even in that realm-I will never achieve true greatness (among the countless unrelated reasons as to why I can't even achieve so much as contentment).
Those were the concerns I had, ones which remain to this day, though they have somewhat morphed or even accentuated themselves in the absence of any other good thing.

The "high expectations" are there for everyone, but those considered "gifted" (awful choice of phrasing, to the originator of that) or with a high IQ/high academic achievement rate are just closer to those goalposts and so if they don't reach them, it seems more like a missed opportunity and a miserable defeat as they were already that much closer.
Like a good looking person being turned down for a modeling job, or growing old and then looking back on the lack of a pursuit in an aesthetically demanding position…
At the risk of sounding dim..like, seriously?
Give me a break.

What about the poor people who aren't even given the CHANCE to have such brain power to get ahead in life and more easily achieve their dreams (studies have shown that increased "quantifiable intelligence" and doing well on standardized testing especially, is a vital, prescient marker for success, despite the trope of "the lazy Einstein") or even those thought less of because they're "stupid?", never being given the opportunity to improve?

I don't know about anyone else, but starting very young we were segregated by supposed intellectual ability, I would sometimes sit in on the classes that were not "advanced" or whatever term they used back then (if I had to make up an assignment) and I was floored by the difference in atmosphere and material, it wasn't all bad, seemed far easier going than the classes I was assigned to, but why?
It came across as patently patronizing to me, how did those in authoritative positions know for certain that these kids would not excel with more difficult material?
They were barely even given the chance,
so young then..already separated by some disgusting value system which held people back from reaching their full potential, meant to hold tight all the way until college/university and beyond.
It was very difficult, if not impossible, to break out of this set standard of categorizing students.

It reminded me of how I wasn't very good at sports, not after a time, but I was also held back, benched excessively, and never taught the skills to become better, skills that could have helped to offset any inherent lack of ability.
My experience with athletics was one of the first things I was able to use to open my eyes to an analogous situation right under my nose.

The problem with identifying as above average intelligence is that if that identity is ever shattered-the aftermath will not be pretty.
It can also lead to inertia, procrastination, and a lack of motivation, if you're continuously told you're a genius (or similar) you may forget the virtue of effort and believe that you're somehow above it, which is incorrect, and will culminate in potential admired for potential's sake, never becoming anything more.

I don't believe anyone who says they would rather be "less intelligent" or ready to cull a few IQ points from their score.
It doesn't take a high IQ to understand the faults in that line of thinking.
It would surely not make life "a lot easier."
That is incredibly foolish and insulting to people with intellectual disabilities or those who are barred from higher paid and highly esteemed positions, some of which may have been in their wheelhouse of interests, all because the uncontrollable configuration of a certain organ existing to spite them.
There are people who struggle to understand concepts that would otherwise do them a great deal of good, both in their personal lives and in their job prospects, you name it, of no fault of their own.

The issue is not the heightened intelligence itself, the issue is the surrounding social constructs and the manner in which we value something as "superior", rather than what it actually is-necessary.
Intelligence is unlike some other more superfluous privileges in that it can be entirely useful to society and the improvement of the human species (when being used for "good"), but we have gilded it with such adornments and medals of prestige that even those who possess it have forgotten its virtue.

Being intelligent is NOT the only predictor or determinant of being a sensitive, neurotic, asocial, or hyper-aware human being, with the weight of the world on your shoulders, seeing truths where others remain blind.
You can have an incredibly high IQ and be as charismatic, myopic and incompetent as the god-fearing narcissist who couldn't manage to read a single page from someone else's book, even once in their life.
You can also have an astonishingly low IQ and somehow achieve wisdom beyond your years, also experiencing the frustration of your assessments of the world being diminished or never being heard, ostracized for your awkward sensibilities.

Yet again, the correlation does not equal causation, and conflating a privilege with detriments that are wildly far from being exclusive to 'exemplary' intelligence is sullying the overarching conversation to be had here, about which I have much more to say (possibly even a few adjacent points that may be in OP's favor) , but I'm sure this is more than enough to exhaust the attention spans of suffering, suicidal people (sorry).
 
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porhtna

bad rng.
Dec 1, 2021
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Not to dismiss some possibly understandable gripes, but reading some comments in this thread, and even the opening post itself..I have a few bones to pick.

I disagree that it's a curse, intelligence is a privilege like many others.
Pitfalls? Sure. (Like anything.)
Disadvantages on par with not possessing it? No.

I've used the same expressions when outlining my thoughts on other privileges within this forum, I won't cut this one any slack either, even if I, myself, was considered to be among its ranks once upon a time (before I was bullied to the point I had to leave school and give up my presumed educational trajectory, along with having any mental fortitude and capabilities diminished drastically from other forms of prolonged suffering).
This is a tricky situation too, because those blessed with notable intellectual acuity can very easily use it to make their case sound compelling, even when it is riddled with hidden inaccuracies and bad faith sentiments, sometimes without the "orator" even realizing their own missteps, because the individual is too caught up in their own head and has never known the suffering that occurs without said head on their shoulders.

I was once considered to be of that pack of "the smart ones" while I was still in school, often the top of my class, to the point where it was a funny game to see if anyone could get a higher grade than me on anything at all, just so they could rub it in my face and say "haha I beat Lastflowers!"…not that I'm complaining, I took it as a compliment, even if it was slightly irritating at that age and caused a panic in me to keep up my perceived aptitude.
To me, it was still a silly thing to whine about, and I was only ever openly smug about it on one occasion.
(I also came to know the lesson of "A big fish in a small pond, does not mean a big fish in the entire ocean…or even a bigger pond.")

I did feel somewhat uncomfortable about it, but only because I often thought that maybe I wasn't actually that intelligent and that perhaps I was subconsciously compensating for the fact that I had absolutely nothing else I could manage to be very good at, nothing else I could garner praise for or have pride in.
It's the doubt that's the curse, it's the doubt that maybe, I'm just of average or middling intellect, trying twice as hard, and that's why-even in that realm-I will never achieve true greatness (among the countless unrelated reasons as to why I can't even achieve so much as contentment).
Those were the concerns I had, ones which remain to this day, though they have somewhat morphed or even accentuated themselves in the absence of any other good thing.

The "high expectations" are there for everyone, but those considered "gifted" (awful choice of phrasing, to the originator of that) or with a high IQ/high academic achievement rate are just closer to those goalposts and so if they don't reach them, it seems more like a missed opportunity and a miserable defeat as they were already that much closer.
Like a good looking person being turned down for a modeling job, or growing old and then looking back on the lack of a pursuit in an aesthetically demanding position…
At the risk of sounding dim..like, seriously?
Give me a break.

What about the poor people who aren't even given the CHANCE to have such brain power to get ahead in life and more easily achieve their dreams (studies have shown that increased "quantifiable intelligence" and doing well on standardized testing especially, is a vital, prescient marker for success, despite the trope of "the lazy Einstein") or even those thought less of because they're "stupid?", never being given the opportunity to improve?

I don't know about anyone else, but starting very young we were segregated by supposed intellectual ability, I would sometimes sit in on the classes that were not "advanced" or whatever term they used back then (if I had to make up an assignment) and I was floored by the difference in atmosphere and material, it wasn't all bad, seemed far easier going than the classes I was assigned to, but why?
It came across as patently patronizing to me, how did those in authoritative positions know for certain that these kids would not excel with more difficult material?
They were barely even given the chance,
so young then..already separated by some disgusting value system which held people back from reaching their full potential, meant to hold tight all the way until college/university and beyond.
It was very difficult, if not impossible, to break out of this set standard of categorizing students.

It reminded me of how I wasn't very good at sports, not after a time, but I was also held back, benched excessively, and never taught the skills to become better, skills that could have helped to offset any inherent lack of ability.
My experience with athletics was one of the first things I was able to use to open my eyes to an analogous situation right under my nose.

The problem with identifying as above average intelligence is that if that identity is ever shattered-the aftermath will not be pretty.
It can also lead to inertia, procrastination, and a lack of motivation, if you're continuously told you're a genius (or similar) you may forget the virtue of effort and believe that you're somehow above it, which is incorrect, and will culminate in potential admired for potential's sake, never becoming anything more.

I don't believe anyone who says they would rather be "less intelligent" or ready to cull a few IQ points from their score.
It doesn't take a high IQ to understand the faults in that line of thinking.
It would surely not make life "a lot easier."
That is incredibly foolish and insulting to people with intellectual disabilities or those who are barred from higher paid and highly esteemed positions, some of which may have been in their wheelhouse of interests, all because the uncontrollable configuration of a certain organ existing to spite them.
There are people who struggle to understand concepts that would otherwise do them a great deal of good, both in their personal lives and in their job prospects, you name it, of no fault of their own.

The issue is not the heightened intelligence itself, the issue is the surrounding social constructs and the manner in which we value something as "superior", rather than what it actually is-necessary.
Intelligence is unlike some other more superfluous privileges in that it can be entirely useful to society and the improvement of the human species (when being used for "good"), but we have gilded it with such adornments and medals of prestige that even those who possess it have forgotten its virtue.

Being intelligent is NOT the only predictor or determinant of being a sensitive, neurotic, asocial, or hyper-aware human being, with the weight of the world on your shoulders, seeing truths where others remain blind.
You can have an incredibly high IQ and be as charismatic, myopic and incompetent as the god-fearing narcissist who couldn't manage to read a single page from someone else's book, even once in their life.
You can also have an astonishingly low IQ and somehow achieve wisdom beyond your years, also experiencing the frustration of your assessments of the world being diminished or never being heard, ostracized for your awkward sensibilities.

Yet again, the correlation does not equal causation, and conflating a privilege with detriments that are wildly far from being exclusive to 'exemplary' intelligence is sullying the overarching conversation to be had here, about which I have much more to say (possibly even a few adjacent points that may be in OP's favor) , but I'm sure this is more than enough to exhaust the attention spans of suffering, suicidal people (sorry).
Just wanted to thank you for the post.
 
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LastFlowers

the haru that can read
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Just wanted to thank you for the post.
Wow, well I'm glad if you appreciated it, you are very kind to say as much.
As I am sure some will take issue with it lol

Heh, they tested people during good times and when their life took a turn for a wrose. They found a difference of 14 points, just cause of this little factor. I think some of you are taking these tests way too seriously.
Sounds about right.
 
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Messgram

Meaningless struggle
Dec 30, 2021
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Intelligence has nothing to do with pressure. If you feel pressured to achieve some high goal, it's a result of your own ambition or the people around you, not your intelligence.
 
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lostautist

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I have repeatedly scored even higher than the range you mentioned throughout my life.

Unfortunately, these gifts and the incredible childhood trauma that accompanied them have resulted in my mental illness. not being able to find anyone that can relate to me.

I'd trade 40 IQ points for a chance to be a normal kid anyday.
Yes to almost everything you stated. I've wished this since grade school.
 
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demuic

Life was a mistake
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Not to dismiss some possibly understandable gripes, but reading some comments in this thread, and even the opening post itself..I have a few bones to pick.

I disagree that it's a curse, intelligence is a privilege like many others.
Pitfalls? Sure. (Like anything.)
Disadvantages on par with not possessing it? No.

I've used the same expressions when outlining my thoughts on other privileges within this forum, I won't cut this one any slack either, even if I, myself, was considered to be among its ranks once upon a time (before I was bullied to the point I had to leave school and give up my presumed educational trajectory, along with having any mental fortitude and capabilities diminished drastically from other forms of prolonged suffering).
This is a tricky situation too, because those blessed with notable intellectual acuity can very easily use it to make their case sound compelling, even when it is riddled with hidden inaccuracies and bad faith sentiments, sometimes without the "orator" even realizing their own missteps, because the individual is too caught up in their own head and has never known the suffering that occurs without said head on their shoulders.

I was once considered to be of that pack of "the smart ones" while I was still in school, often the top of my class, to the point where it was a funny game to see if anyone could get a higher grade than me on anything at all, just so they could rub it in my face and say "haha I beat Lastflowers!"…not that I'm complaining, I took it as a compliment, even if it was slightly irritating at that age and caused a panic in me to keep up my perceived aptitude.
To me, it was still a silly thing to whine about, and I was only ever openly smug about it on one occasion.
(I also came to know the lesson of "A big fish in a small pond, does not mean a big fish in the entire ocean…or even a bigger pond.")

I did feel somewhat uncomfortable about it, but only because I often thought that maybe I wasn't actually that intelligent and that perhaps I was subconsciously compensating for the fact that I had absolutely nothing else I could manage to be very good at, nothing else I could garner praise for or have pride in.
It's the doubt that's the curse, it's the doubt that maybe, I'm just of average or middling intellect, trying twice as hard, and that's why-even in that realm-I will never achieve true greatness (among the countless unrelated reasons as to why I can't even achieve so much as contentment).
Those were the concerns I had, ones which remain to this day, though they have somewhat morphed or even accentuated themselves in the absence of any other good thing.

The "high expectations" are there for everyone, but those considered "gifted" (awful choice of phrasing, to the originator of that) or with a high IQ/high academic achievement rate are just closer to those goalposts and so if they don't reach them, it seems more like a missed opportunity and a miserable defeat as they were already that much closer.
Like a good looking person being turned down for a modeling job, or growing old and then looking back on the lack of a pursuit in an aesthetically demanding position…
At the risk of sounding dim..like, seriously?
Give me a break.

What about the poor people who aren't even given the CHANCE to have such brain power to get ahead in life and more easily achieve their dreams (studies have shown that increased "quantifiable intelligence" and doing well on standardized testing especially, is a vital, prescient marker for success, despite the trope of "the lazy Einstein") or even those thought less of because they're "stupid?", never being given the opportunity to improve?

I don't know about anyone else, but starting very young we were segregated by supposed intellectual ability, I would sometimes sit in on the classes that were not "advanced" or whatever term they used back then (if I had to make up an assignment) and I was floored by the difference in atmosphere and material, it wasn't all bad, seemed far easier going than the classes I was assigned to, but why?
It came across as patently patronizing to me, how did those in authoritative positions know for certain that these kids would not excel with more difficult material?
They were barely even given the chance,
so young then..already separated by some disgusting value system which held people back from reaching their full potential, meant to hold tight all the way until college/university and beyond.
It was very difficult, if not impossible, to break out of this set standard of categorizing students.

It reminded me of how I wasn't very good at sports, not after a time, but I was also held back, benched excessively, and never taught the skills to become better, skills that could have helped to offset any inherent lack of ability.
My experience with athletics was one of the first things I was able to use to open my eyes to an analogous situation right under my nose.

The problem with identifying as above average intelligence is that if that identity is ever shattered-the aftermath will not be pretty.
It can also lead to inertia, procrastination, and a lack of motivation, if you're continuously told you're a genius (or similar) you may forget the virtue of effort and believe that you're somehow above it, which is incorrect, and will culminate in potential admired for potential's sake, never becoming anything more.

I don't believe anyone who says they would rather be "less intelligent" or ready to cull a few IQ points from their score.
It doesn't take a high IQ to understand the faults in that line of thinking.
It would surely not make life "a lot easier."
That is incredibly foolish and insulting to people with intellectual disabilities or those who are barred from higher paid and highly esteemed positions, some of which may have been in their wheelhouse of interests, all because the uncontrollable configuration of a certain organ existing to spite them.
There are people who struggle to understand concepts that would otherwise do them a great deal of good, both in their personal lives and in their job prospects, you name it, of no fault of their own.

The issue is not the heightened intelligence itself, the issue is the surrounding social constructs and the manner in which we value something as "superior", rather than what it actually is-necessary.
Intelligence is unlike some other more superfluous privileges in that it can be entirely useful to society and the improvement of the human species (when being used for "good"), but we have gilded it with such adornments and medals of prestige that even those who possess it have forgotten its virtue.

Being intelligent is NOT the only predictor or determinant of being a sensitive, neurotic, asocial, or hyper-aware human being, with the weight of the world on your shoulders, seeing truths where others remain blind.
You can have an incredibly high IQ and be as charismatic, myopic and incompetent as the god-fearing narcissist who couldn't manage to read a single page from someone else's book, even once in their life.
You can also have an astonishingly low IQ and somehow achieve wisdom beyond your years, also experiencing the frustration of your assessments of the world being diminished or never being heard, ostracized for your awkward sensibilities.

Yet again, the correlation does not equal causation, and conflating a privilege with detriments that are wildly far from being exclusive to 'exemplary' intelligence is sullying the overarching conversation to be had here, about which I have much more to say (possibly even a few adjacent points that may be in OP's favor) , but I'm sure this is more than enough to exhaust the attention spans of suffering, suicidal people (sorry).

Of course you raise some good points here, but I also see things differently.

Putting aside any statements regarding "IQ" and related tests, which are flawed, I don't think there is anything wrong with expressing the negative feelings felt in relation to a particular set of experiences, even if those experiences are connected to what might be considered a privilege, or desirable to other people, separate to those negative feelings. A "privilege" will only take you so far if you and your environment are not also accommodating.

The "high expectations" are there for everyone, but those considered "gifted" (awful choice of phrasing, to the originator of that) or with a high IQ/high academic achievement rate are just closer to those goalposts and so if they don't reach them, it seems more like a missed opportunity and a miserable defeat as they were already that much closer.
What about the poor people who aren't even given the CHANCE to have such brain power to get ahead in life and more easily achieve their dreams (studies have shown that increased "quantifiable intelligence" and doing well on standardized testing especially, is a vital, prescient marker for success, despite the trope of "the lazy Einstein") or even those thought less of because they're "stupid?", never being given the opportunity to improve?

This is just another one of the problems of our society and does not take away from how someone feels they have been negatively impacted. One is the feeling of having squandered opportunities, the other is the situation of not being given those opportunities at all. I don't think something has to be "the worst situation that one could conceivably be in" in order to feel put off about their own particular set of circumstances.


I don't believe anyone who says they would rather be "less intelligent" or ready to cull a few IQ points from their score.
It doesn't take a high IQ to understand the faults in that line of thinking.
It would surely not make life "a lot easier."

The issue is not the heightened intelligence itself, the issue is the surrounding social constructs and the manner in which we value something as "superior", rather than what it actually is-necessary.
Intelligence is unlike some other more superfluous privileges in that it can be entirely useful to society and the improvement of the human species (when being used for "good"), but we have gilded it with such adornments and medals of prestige that even those who possess it have forgotten its virtue.
For many people these things are, in the mind, essentially one and the same. These statements are essentially a proxy for communicating the feeling of "I wish I had not endured the pain or issues associated with my experience having this particular trait." I do not think anyone is making the claim that the disadvantages are on par with not possessing it, outside of their own personal experience. The grass is always greener on the other side. Of course it is not inherently a curse, but similar to other long sought after "positive" attributes it can be something that is the catalyst for for misfortune-- perhaps a double edged sword is a more clear-cut comparison.
 
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Of course you raise some good points here, but I also see things differently.

Putting aside any statements regarding "IQ" and related tests, which are flawed, I don't think there is anything wrong with expressing the negative feelings felt in relation to a particular set of experiences, even if those experiences are connected to what might be considered a privilege, or desirable to other people, separate to those negative feelings. A "privilege" will only take you so far if you and your environment are not also accommodating.




This is just another one of the problems of our society and does not take away from how someone feels they have been negatively impacted. One is the feeling of having squandered opportunities, the other is the situation of not being given those opportunities at all. I don't think something has to be "the worst situation that one could conceivably be in" in order to feel put off about their own particular set of circumstances.





For many people these things are, in the mind, essentially one and the same. These statements are essentially a proxy for communicating the feeling of "I wish I had not endured the pain or issues associated with my experience having this particular trait." I do not think anyone is making the claim that the disadvantages are on par with not possessing it, outside of their own personal experience. The grass is always greener on the other side. Of course it is not inherently a curse, but similar to other long sought after "positive" attributes it can be something that is the catalyst for for misfortune-- perhaps a double edged sword is a more clear-cut comparison.
The issue is that the solution being laid out in many of these comments is to erase the privilege or reduce it, which misses the point and it is actually harmful if people genuinely believe this is the solution and try to convince others of the same, it's not without consequences, otherwise I would have said nothing.
In that way, they absolutely are claiming that being without a privilege would be preferable. (So they must be willing to back up the sentiment that the pitfalls, or in your words-disadvantages-are not only on par with not possessing said privilege, but somehow worse.)

And even in the context of one's own experience, they're not realizing that being without the privilege brings on a whole other world of suffering, with BOTH squandered and unavailable opportunities.
A better cliché of a statement for this whole scenario is "You don't know what you have until it's gone",
and seeing a negative or two as overshadowing the abundance of positives, wherein you believe that ridding yourself of the discerned source of the few negatives is the solution, whilst that vied for solution would, in fact, leave you with the inverse-a few positives with an abundance of negatives (aka a true disadvantage in life, because even full-blown disadvantages can allow for minuscule 'pros', as the privileged among us so often love to grasp for and point out).

Not all things are equal, that's just the truth.
We are not all on the same playing field, a privilege or a disadvantage makes a huge difference in a person's life, whether they claim to knowingly utilize it or not (intelligence is going to be used regardless, one way or another, even during menial tasks).
I never said a privilege prevents a person from misery or ending up on this site.
But it is what it is, in the context of life, relative to all things real, never to be dismissed or trivialized in quotation marks.

Feelings don't always align with reality, I have not dismissed anyone's feelings, simply outlined why intelligence itself is not the problem, but that there are issues surrounding it which are, and those surrounding issues are much more likely to have a negative impact similar to those which have been complained about.
If anything I've tried to make concessions by pushing for these other issues to be known as a possible reason as to why certain negative experiences have been had, thus supporting them and nodding to the pain and feelings behind them.

Unfortunately I have to speak within the confines of IQ and quantifiable intelligence (or similar) because those are the guidelines OP set out to discuss, and without them, the waters become muddy and subjectivity is allowed to take over to the point where anything goes and nothing makes any more or less sense than the next thing.
We can't speak about privileges if we cannot measure them, and if we do, then we are no longer speaking about privileges, subsequently making my own words a moot point entirely, to be argued back and forth for eternity.

I think you may be misinterpreting some of what I said, as I don't recall saying anything had to be "the worst situation that one could conceivably be in" in order to be sympathized with or acknowledged.
We all have people worse off than we are, but for instance..if I have an eating disorder, and I claim food to be the problem, I would be incorrect, if I were to say "if food would just be eliminated or if I could be provided with far less money for food things would be a lot easier", I would be kidding myself and spitting in the face of those who starve or whom are living paycheck to paycheck (which isn't necessarily the worst thing imaginable).

I also absolutely disagree vehemently with the platitude of "the grass is always greener" in the sense that it's not..because it IS.
It's always greener on one side versus another, especially in the vacuum of having a privilege versus having that privilege diminished or obliterated completely, where the former is a far more fertile landscape to be living in.
Doesn't mean you can't struggle, doesn't even mean you can't suffer from societal issues in close relation to your privilege.
I did not mean to imply otherwise.
I meant to speak on this specific topic, not to expand the horizons to making a case for one privilege being the end all/be all for a life worth living/the pursuit of happiness, I know of course there are far too many factors at play for that to ever be the case.

However, even defining a privilege as a double-edged sword is overly generous, I said everything had pitfalls, that should be enough to allow anyone to realize that I know nothing in this life is perfect or without cons alongside the abundant pros.
But again, in the context of this life-and the world entire, a privilege is the best position humanly possible, to be had in any number of areas, though it may admittedly still not be enough.

You put the word positive in quotations too..I mean, I very much appreciate your presence on this forum and what you've had to say, but it's just going to become a weird back and forth about definitions and semantics if we do that sort of thing.
Like an argument about what is "moral" or what is "right" and "wrong", that's a slippery slope, so I cannot entertain that type of rhetoric, I am sorry.

*I don't want to cause a full-blown derailment, so I'm probably not going to state anything further on the subject.
 
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High IQ = High Expectations

Its a curse when you fall short….…completely crushing. I wish I never had high expectations at all
This fits me perfectly, I am autistic, as a child I developed a higher intelligence and reading comprehension than the rest, which made me be considered the most intelligent boy in my area, most people believed that my future would be to be a super businessman or some famous character, I wish I hadn't taken that seriously, I realized quite late that out there, everything is in chaos, the economic world is increasingly on fire and having a comfortable life becomes more difficult, adding that if you are from the third world, you have fewer opportunities to grow.
 
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I don't think this is a black and white issue. A person with an iq of 140 may be telling the truth when he says that he would prefer to have ten or twenty fewer i.q. points. Likewise, a person with an i.q. of 100 might like to have twenty or thirty points more. I.Q. Is definitely a privilege provided it is not too high. But if it is too high it is indeed a curse.
 
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I'm a fraternal twin. My brother was always behind and I was the smart one.... So my brother got all the attention because "he needed it". After my parents got divorced no one cared about me at all which sent me into bad depression. I just came home and went to bed after school. Now I deal with some very serious abandonment issues. I haven't talked to my brother in over 10 years.
 
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