ANTACID NO LONGER RECOMMENDED RESPONSE FROM PHILLIP NITSCHKE HIMSELF.

[Shu]

I guess it's really up to us to do our research and to make this decision for ourselves as the man himself is saying that it is no longer recommended I will not be taking antacids anymore.

I do not have access to the essential version so I don't know if there is more information in depth about this but this is coming directly from him as you can see.

I know that we are all following Stan's guide and Stan wrote a whole couple of paragraphs as to why taking an antacid is important so that the nitrate doesn't convert to nitrate Etc and that it produces less nitric oxide but this is coming from a doctor himself who observes and has observed at least 80 to 100 people who have gone through this process so I think that I'm going to trust his word on this more and I won't be using an antacid anymore





He's not really answering the question good enough for us to understand for some reason whatever that may be but if he is not recommending them anymore I'd assume it's for the best. I'm not sure if that's actually him responding or if it's someone else working for him but I'm going to trust what they say I guess

 

[Alex6216]

Philip is the same guy who talked about the korean spy suicide method on the PPeH.... I would take some of what he says with a grain of salt. Although I guess an antacid wouldn't be that important since the recommended amount of SN is too much for the body to handle so unless you vomit it all out you're going to die.
Also wouldn't blood pressure dropping be a good thing, that would lead to one going unconscious faster?

 

[Judy Garland]

Yeah, I think I'll do the same. I'll drop the antacid. On the bright side antacids like Tagamet are a potentiator of Kratom, so I guess I'll use a few of them for that.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I mean if he suddenly changes an established ingridient to a method that we used for years(!) he should at least explain why he changed his mind. It's a bit radical to just change his position without clearly substantiating why in a way that's understandable to average people. The PPH described a coherent argument in favor of antacid so there should be a coherent argument why we shouldn't use it anymore.

 

[Shu]

I mean if he suddenly changes an established ingridient to a method that we used for years(!) he should at least explain why he changed his mind. It's a bit radical to just change his position without clearly substantiating why in a way that's understandable to average people. The PPH described a coherent argument in favor of antacid so there should be a coherent argument why we shouldn't use it anymore.

I'm assuming it's updated based on the observations of the videos he has watched of the process.

I'm assuming it's updated based on the observations of the videos he has watched of the process.

Although yeah I agree with you. He needs to make a more in-depth explanation. Especially since there are people paying for his books.
Ao I guess it's really up to the person honestly.

 

[london3]

I'm assuming it's updated based on the observations of the videos he has watched of the process.

Although yeah I agree with you. He needs to make a more in-depth explanation. Especially since there are people paying for his books.

Thanks for this new information, i think i will wait for more details about the antacid before deciding whether to leave it out.

For now i will stick with stans guide until i am convinced otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 31858]

I'm confused about low pressure. Well, propanadol is supposed to lower blood pressure and boost sn, right? I guess it will be our decision.
Thanks for the information

 

[Shu]

More NO=quicker loss of consciousness.

 

[Danjor88]

I think you're all overthinking this. Nitschke or whatever he's called is a businessman, and his business is suicide.

If he releases the ultimate guide to suicide (which let's face it - isn't going to change - evolution and all that - we're not going to change in 5 minutes) then he sells the book, everyone has the recipe and that's that.

And once he's sold it, he can't make any more money.

The only way to perpetuate a business in a market of diminishing customers is to continuously muddy the waters to scare people, keep changing the protocols, recommendations, and requirements, so you have no option but to keep buying the new, improved version of the kool aid.

We all know the existing method works, and plenty of people have used it. People haven't suddenly evolved that it's stopped working so you need to buy his new improved method that "solves" the new change in human biology.

This is why I hate this guy. He doesn't come across as someone trying to help people who are suffering, but rather as someone who is trying to help his own bank balance look as healthy as possible.

 

[Shu]

I think you're all overthinking this. Nitschke or whatever he's called is a businessman, and his business is suicide.

If he releases the ultimate guide to suicide (which let's face it - isn't going to change - evolution and all that - we're not going to change in 5 minutes) then he sells the book, everyone has the recipe and that's that.

And once he's sold it, he can't make any more money.

The only way to perpetuate a business in a market of diminishing customers is to continuously muddy the waters to scare people, keep changing the protocols, recommendations, and requirements, so you have no option but to keep buying the new, improved version of the kool aid.

We all know the existing method works, and plenty of people have used it. People haven't suddenly evolved that it's stopped working so you need to buy his new improved method that "solves" the new change in human biology.

This is why I hate this guy. He doesn't come across as someone trying to help people who are suffering, but rather as someone who is trying to help his own bank balance look as healthy as possible.

I understand what you're saying and all and I'm not very fond of the guy either but there's a reason why he's making these updates and it's probably going based off of the observations of people who have gone through this process and what seem to be the quickest and most peaceful. If he really didn't care at all he wouldn't at least be making these changes there has to be a reason why he's doing so.

I understand what you're saying and all and I'm not very fond of the guy either but there's a reason why he's making these updates and it's probably going based off of the observations of people who have gone through this process and what seem to be the quickest and most peaceful. If he really didn't care at all he wouldn't at least be making these changes there has to be a reason why he's doing so.

I completely understand what you're saying though but this is something that's been an argument for a while now so it's not a shock that it all of sudden has been changed
Although maybe he is just trying to make more money since he changed the name of it and called it the essential"" version.. making it more "flashy" si to speak. that's the thing once you've already purchased the book online the essential and all of that that comes after it is free it comes with the first payment you made I'm pretty sure so yeah I get what you're saying but I can't really see him making that many more customers just because he named it "essential" regardless what he is saying is true Stan has an entire section typed out somewhere which I've copied and pasted explaining why taking an antacid is important and how it stops the nitride from converting to nitrate regular table salt and nitric oxide but the thing is is the more nitric oxide that is produced you go unconscious quicker but it may take the time to death to be longer but from the chart that I've seen from exit of The observed sodium nitrite deaths most of them were dead in under an hour with or without an antacid

 

[Danjor88]

I understand what you're saying and all and I'm not very fond of the guy either but there's a reason why he's making these updates and it's probably going based off of the observations of people who have gone through this process and what seem to be the quickest and most peaceful. If he really didn't care at all he wouldn't at least be making these changes there has to be a reason why he's doing so.

I completely understand what you're saying though but this is something that's been an argument for a while now so it's not a shock that it all of sudden has been changed
Although maybe he is just trying to make more money since he changed the name of it and called it the essential"" version.. making it more "flashy" si to speak. that's the thing once you've already purchased the book online the essential and all of that that comes after it is free it comes with the first payment you made I'm pretty sure so yeah I get what you're saying but I can't really see him making that many more customers just because he named it "essential" regardless what he is saying is true Stan has an entire section typed out somewhere which I've copied and pasted explaining why taking an antacid is important and how it stops the nitride from converting to nitrate regular table salt and nitric oxide but the thing is is the more nitric oxide that is produced you go unconscious quicker but it may take the time to death to be longer but from the chart that I've seen from exit of The observed sodium nitrite deaths most of them were dead in under an hour with or without an antacid

If you believe he's a "good guy" then yes, he's maybe making these recommendations based on what he's seen.

But if he was a "good guy" then he wouldn't have made more shoddy recommendations previously before he knew what he was talking about.

The changing of name to the "essential" version tells you all you need to know IMHO.

It comes free - after you've paid the extortionate first payment LoL.

Probably because he knows a lot of people struggle but never get to the end - so they are ripe for repeated pluckings.

 

[Shu]

If you believe he's a "good guy" then yes, he's maybe making these recommendations based on what he's seen.

But if he was a "good guy" then he wouldn't have made more shoddy recommendations previously before he knew what he was talking about.

The changing of name to the "essential" version tells you all you need to know IMHO.

It comes free - after you've paid the extortionate first payment LoL.

Probably because he knows a lot of people struggle but never get to the end - so they are ripe for repeated pluckings.

I'm pretty sure he was just making recommendations based on what was working before. Again.. it seems as though the changes are being made based on the observations of the videos that have been submitted and what seem the quickest and most peaceful.

If you believe he's a "good guy" then yes, he's maybe making these recommendations based on what he's seen.

But if he was a "good guy" then he wouldn't have made more shoddy recommendations previously before he knew what he was talking about.

The changing of name to the "essential" version tells you all you need to know IMHO.

It comes free - after you've paid the extortionate first payment LoL.

Probably because he knows a lot of people struggle but never get to the end - so they are ripe for repeated pluckings.

I believe the book is only 100$ and that gives them not only access to the forum but continous updates to the the book.
Bit yeah you're probably right. Just like he asks for people to consider him in his will but this is going off topic.

 

[dreambound]

I don't think that philip nitschke or for that matter any other of the people who contribute knowledge toward this , does so with
the motivation of money. When you consider their history i think you might find they do it because the present legal system
( in my country anyway) leaves a trail of perpetual suffering & misery that they as doctors,anesthesiologists, toxicologists etc
have witnessed in person way more than anyone should......
Unfortunately our society has normalised the dreadful suffering , & along with the anti-choice brigade change is a slow
process.
What i'm trying to say is.... give the guy a break
.....he would have simply made the best call based on the recent video evidence....

 

[Shu]

I don't think that philip nitschke or for that matter any other of the people who contribute knowledge toward this , does so with
the motivation of money. When you consider their history i think you might find they do it because the present legal system
( in my country anyway) leaves a trail of perpetual suffering & misery that they as doctors,anesthesiologists, toxicologists etc
have witnessed in person way more than anyone should......
Unfortunately our society has normalised the dreadful suffering , & along with the anti-choice brigade change is a slow
process.
What i'm trying to say is.... give the guy a break
.....he would have simply made the best call based on the recent video evidence....

Exactly what I'm guessing.

 

[Danjor88]

I don't think that philip nitschke or for that matter any other of the people who contribute knowledge toward this , does so with
the motivation of money. When you consider their history i think you might find they do it because the present legal system
( in my country anyway) leaves a trail of perpetual suffering & misery that they as doctors,anesthesiologists, toxicologists etc
have witnessed in person way more than anyone should......
Unfortunately our society has normalised the dreadful suffering , & along with the anti-choice brigade change is a slow
process.
What i'm trying to say is.... give the guy a break
.....he would have simply made the best call based on the recent video evidence....

Well if that were true, he wouldn't be buying cheap oxygen flow regulators from China at $8 each, sticking a label on them, and selling them as nitrogen flow regulators for $300 to $440 a pop.

I mean sure, he's got to cover costs, but that's extortionate.

 

[Shu]

Well if that were true, he wouldn't be buying cheap oxygen flow regulators from China at $8 each, sticking a label on them, and selling them as nitrogen flow regulators for $300 to $440 a pop.

I mean sure, he's got to cover costs, but that's extortionate.

Can we please stay on the topic at hand? Thank you.

Well if that were true, he wouldn't be buying cheap oxygen flow regulators from China at $8 each, sticking a label on them, and selling them as nitrogen flow regulators for $300 to $440 a pop.

I mean sure, he's got to cover costs, but that's extortionate.

Many of us are aware but this is not the thread for that. Please make another thread criticizing him if you'd like. Thanks.

Well if that were true, he wouldn't be buying cheap oxygen flow regulators from China at $8 each, sticking a label on them, and selling them as nitrogen flow regulators for $300 to $440 a pop.

I mean sure, he's got to cover costs, but that's extortionate.

He's definitely scamming old fragile people and asking them to consider them in his will.

Although he's also the man that has offered all of these methods openly. Many of us would not know about sodium nitrite if it wasn't for him or the way to use it. You didn't have to purchase the book to find out about the information he has several podcast speaking about lethal salts. We can kick the man all we want and focus on all the things he's doing wrong but if it wasn't for him and his work I'd probably have hung myself in my parents garage and there's no telling what could have gone wrong.. well him and the help of others.. but the information that came from others came directly from his books. (I think)
The point of the thread wasn't to criticize this man if you guys want to do that go make your own thread the point of this thread was so that we can learn about the new updates and come to our own conclusion about it. These new updates may be very helpful for many.
I don't care to have these debates and I don't care to have these arguments and I don't care to focus on any of this s*** I'm already stressed out as it is and just trying to get new information out there and try to figure out what is going to be best

 

[born2win]

so @Shu are you removing antacid off your list? nonetheless, ill keep one and not 'double' the dose. Following this post.

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

I guess it's really up to us to do our research and to make this decision for ourselves as the man himself is saying that it is no longer recommended I will not be taking antacids anymore.

I do not have access to the essential version so I don't know if there is more information in depth about this but this is coming directly from him as you can see.

I know that we are all following Stan's guide and Stan wrote a whole couple of paragraphs as to why taking an antacid is important so that the nitrate doesn't convert to nitrate Etc and that it produces less nitric oxide but this is coming from a doctor himself who observes and has observed at least 80 to 100 people who have gone through this process so I think that I'm going to trust his word on this more and I won't be using an antacid anymore

Is this info only in the 'Essentials' edition, or is it also in the online, updated version of the PPEH?
Isn't the 'Essentials' a summarized version of the PPEH?

(I will be really angry if the information is NOT in both books).

 

[Shu]

so @Shu are you removing antacid off your list? nonetheless, ill keep one and not 'double' the dose. Following this post.

I'll keep one as well, just to be sure.

Is this info only in the 'Essentials' edition, or is it also in the online, updated version of the PPEH?
Isn't the 'Essentials' a summarized version of the PPEH?

(I will be really angry if the information is NOT in both books).

It's in the updated version of the book as well I believe.
@Wastedaway

 

[LifeHasNoOptIn]

Thanx for the updated info. Not sure which way I would lean at this point as we know from previous posters experience that "Stan's Guide" method is effective. That being said, it's certainly possible this would make the method even more effective as good science is always about testing ones assumptions and looking for better ways. I would have liked it better if it was one of the harder things to come by that was taken off the list.

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

It's in the updated version of the book as well I believe.

Okay that calms me down slightly, thanks.

 

[Disappointered]

It is what it is. He may not be able to help himself even if it isn't about money. Who really cares what it's truly about though. It's the only help we'll find. We'll just have to be pragmatic about it. Just try to hold onto a peaceful disposition and remain empathetic until finding a peaceful end.

 

[Theanswer]

Is this info only in the 'Essentials' edition, or is it also in the online, updated version of the PPEH?
Isn't the 'Essentials' a summarized version of the PPEH?

(I will be really angry if the information is NOT in both books).

It's definitely listed in both the PPeH and Essentials. But with no explanation.

 

[Shu]

Wow I should probably delete this thread. Sorry for my behavior.

 

[Joeydoe]

I guess it's really up to us to do our research and to make this decision for ourselves as the man himself is saying that it is no longer recommended I will not be taking antacids anymore.

I do not have access to the essential version so I don't know if there is more information in depth about this but this is coming directly from him as you can see.

I know that we are all following Stan's guide and Stan wrote a whole couple of paragraphs as to why taking an antacid is important so that the nitrate doesn't convert to nitrate Etc and that it produces less nitric oxide but this is coming from a doctor himself who observes and has observed at least 80 to 100 people who have gone through this process so I think that I'm going to trust his word on this more and I won't be using an antacid anymore




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He's not really answering the question good enough for us to understand for some reason whatever that may be but if he is not recommending them anymore I'd assume it's for the best. I'm not sure if that's actually him responding or if it's someone else working for him but I'm going to trust what they say I guess

Just curious: where did you derive your information about how many SN suicides he might have observed?

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Just curious: where did you derive your information about how many SN suicides he might have observed?

There is a list. It comes from either Exits Forum or the updated PPeH
There's actually a picture of one of the list on the mega thread.

 

[emgrl]

I don't think that philip nitschke or for that matter any other of the people who contribute knowledge toward this , does so with
the motivation of money. When you consider their history i think you might find they do it because the present legal system
( in my country anyway) leaves a trail of perpetual suffering & misery that they as doctors,anesthesiologists, toxicologists etc
have witnessed in person way more than anyone should......
Unfortunately our society has normalised the dreadful suffering , & along with the anti-choice brigade change is a slow
process.
What i'm trying to say is.... give the guy a break
.....he would have simply made the best call based on the recent video evidence....

I believe it mostly started that way for him, to give permanent peace to those that were suffering. It's clear, with time, he became more about financial gain. That's not saying his passion is gone, the passion just comes from a different place now.