Discussion Another trite reason that anti-euthanasia, anti-suicide people use

[TAW122]

I myself am not religious, nor do I believe in God. I am an atheist and I do believe that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. One of the most trite reasons that I have heard people (especially the devoutly religious) say to deny euthanasia, assisted suicide, and right-to-die policies is that they "believe in miracles that happened before" and that miracles are real (according to them). They appeal to the Bible and faith (or whatever God, religion, and sacred text of their choosing). I feel like it is not a falsifiable position and they have put themselves in a position where they just shut their ears and simply just scream "It's true because it's the word of God" until their opponent submits or other similar statements (circular logic and a myriad of other fallacies), then if you try to retort, they bring up "just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true".

I suppose, I am asking if anyone has a better argument or additional arguments to counter their statement/claim, then it would be appreciated. The best response I could come up with (which is probably not even the most optimal one - as I'm sure there is a better one and I just don't know; or maybe there isn't.) is that well, because I have free will, this is my life and my body, and I can choose to do what I wish to do, even if it isn't in line with what God wants. I'm sort of using their own claim (they also claim that God has given each individual free will) on them. Then also, followed with, if you (religious person, anti-suicide, anti-euthanasia person) truly believed in free will and God's plan, then you have to accept that you (human being) cannot prolong life artificially and have to let nature run it's course. This means no life-extending measures but allow nature to take it's course. Sometimes, religious people will engage in intellectual dishonesty to impose their will and twist the message to fit their agenda. One such way is that they would say that "God has ordered us to prolong life" or some other BS reasoning that isn't necessarily "Biblically true" and then apply it to the situation. These people (in a sense) are actually more cruel than the God that they profess to worship in. I believe that they use religion and God in ways to suit their agenda and values, then impose them on the dissenting party.

If anyone has any better counterarguments to the "just because you don't believe in miracles doesn't make it true" or good counters to it, I'd like to hear it.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

The Denial of Death. That's what those kind of people have.
Using religion and all sorts of silly made up stuff.
Speaking of the Bible, you should take a look at Ecclesiastes



Legitimately, there's no proof that God exists. How are they going to prove that?

 

[BabyYoda]

I haven't listened to the whole thing tho

 

[LittleJem]

I'd possibly discuss the research that shows that people who successfully commit suicide have differently structured brains.

How can you blame anyone for having a differently structured brain? They were either born that way, or circumstances shaped them that way.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

I'd possibly discuss the research that shows that people who successfully commit suicide have differently structured brains.

How can you blame anyone for having a differently structured brain? They were either born that way, or circumstances shaped them that way.

Everyone's a product of their environment.

 

[LittleJem]

Everyone's a product of their environment.

also their genetics. For the genetics, I blame God ;) For the environment, I also blame God ;) I mean all this suffering in the world, all these genetic and environmental traumas.

 

[Skyview]

The Denial of Death. That's what those kind of people have.
Using religion and all sorts of silly made up stuff.
Speaking of the Bible, you should take a look at Ecclesiastes

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Legitimately, there's no proof that God exists. How are they going to prove that?

The interpretation is quite simple , and no I'm not religious.
1). The dead who already died are happier than the living who are still alive.

When you die your soul travels to another planet where there is no pain or suffering therefore they are happier than those living in this prison planet .

2) But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.

It's expressing that children born not on the earth but on this other planet don't get to see the evil that pervades the earth .

Not going to explain to you how I know this and certainly not on this forum !!!

 

[Idorus]

How can you blame anyone for having a differently structured brain? They were either born that way, or circumstances shaped them that way.

They deny the entire body as a result of having had a pretty decent/acceptable/decadent life (until now). There is no room for denial (of any kind) when suffering. Their life might have been a litlle gray at most.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

The interpretation is quite simple , and no I'm not religious.
1). The dead who already died are happier than the living who are still alive.

When you die your soul travels to another planet where there is no pain or suffering therefore they are happier than those living in this prison planet .

2) But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.

It's expressing that children born not on the earth but on this other planet don't get to see the evil that pervades the earth .

Not going to explain to you how I know this and certainly not on this forum !!!

There's no such thing :)

 

[Jean4]

All religions are a set of rules and regulations made up by humans to prevent free thinking.

 

[Skyview]

also their genetics. For the genetics, I blame God ;) For the environment, I also blame God ;) I mean all this suffering in the world, all these genetic and environmental traumas.

And people don't cause these problems ? If you removed all the people from the earth , I assure you the earth will get along just fine !

 

[WhyIsLife56]

The interpretation is quite simple , and no I'm not religious.
1). The dead who already died are happier than the living who are still alive.

When you die your soul travels to another planet where there is no pain or suffering therefore they are happier than those living in this prison planet .

2) But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.

It's expressing that children born not on the earth but on this other planet don't get to see the evil that pervades the earth .

Not going to explain to you how I know this and certainly not on this forum !!!

Death is nothingness. You go back to before you were born. It's a simple concept

 

[Skyview]

Death is nothingness. You go back to before you were born. It's a simple concept

Then you are no different to religious zealots , your pushing your own agenda just as they do !!

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Then you are no different to religious zealots , your pushing your own agenda just as they do !!

There's no agenda. Why don't you try proving your point. Where's your proof?

 

[Skyview]

There's no agenda. Why don't you try proving your point. Where's your proof?

Live YOUR life and others will live theirs

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Live YOUR life and others will live theirs

Live your delusion and I'll live in truth :)
Be happy with your delusions. I'm pretty sure you'll know if you're on another planet when your brain is dead. (sarcasm)

 

[Skyview]

Live your delusion and I'll live in truth :)
Be happy with your delusions. I'm pretty sure you'll know if you're on another planet when your brain is dead. (sarcasm)