Discussion Another good philosophical article by existentialgoof

[TAW122]

Here is another article written by Existentialgoof on his blog, "Death is Not Bad For You: Refuting the Deprivation Account."

I have spent some time reading through it and I agree with a lot of the points, especially with how society views death and some of the views and sentiments expressed there are very similar to mine, albeit more philosophical and fleshed out more in that regard. In short, society views death as some negative even though they could not (adequately) explain why death itself is bad. Furthermore, it talks about the survival instinct, which is a biological mechanism that is within all living things, humans included, that instills the fear of death (pain and suffering), which makes us adverse to do things that can/will cause death. It (survival instinct) itself is not necessarily considered rational as it is a biological mechanism that us human beings developed and evolved over hundreds of thousands (possibly more) of years of humanity in order to propagate and keep our species going. The article also does a good job of summarizing how even in the field of philosophy, death itself has yet to advance past the 'primitive' stage which is (probably a big reason to) why the topic of death and suicide is still highly charged, censored, stigmatized, and still failed to move past it's early stages. The author mentions that it is partly due to the fact that if humanity made that (significantly and important) step to realize the truth about death, it would shatter their world view and make them uncomfortable to the fact that must face the (inevitable) reality. Thus, in other words, humanity (and the masses) are afraid of confronting their own mortality and reality itself. @FuneralCry @RainAndSadness

There are many more points but I think these highlight some of the major talking points that the author is hoping to convey.

 

[FuneralCry]

Thank you for sharing, it's a really well written article. The reality is that it's completely irrational to suggest that suicide could be wrong in any way as there are no disadvantages to being dead, and to die solves all problems after all. To not exist could never be a bad thing no matter what, in fact death is the most normal and inevitable thing and it's all that we could ever be destined for.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I see no rational reason why existing is better or worse then not existing and good or bad are no rational catergories anyhow. But when you accept that the world and evolution (from the very beginning with big bang) exists, then there is an inner logic that makes a survival instinct necssary. On the other hand death is as necessary as survival for evolution. Nature wants us to die ( I know, nature wants nothing but it is easier to write it this way) above all. You can decide not to have children and you can commit suicide, this is only software you can ovewrite but you cannot decide to stay forever young and live forever because aging is hardware in your cells. The only reason that people dont kill themselves when they have accomplished their biological mission (children are rised) is that evolution has no lever when you don´t reproduce anymore. From this point of view socity is really perverted that it not only stigmatise suicide but prevents ill and old people by means of medical technology (big business) from dying.

 

[manocsak]

Nice article, can agree with most of it, really refreshing though about the badness of suicide, but I think there is badness to it, which the article doesn't address at all.

Friend, family, and the rest of the living. I agree if I CTB today and tomorrow I'd win the lottery I'm not better of. But if I CTB today, what will my mother do? My siblings? I'd put them in a really dark place, a worse place than I'm in rn.

Thx for sharing, really like the article!

 

[TAW122]

Thank you for sharing, it's a really well written article. The reality is that it's completely irrational to suggest that suicide could be wrong in any way as there are no disadvantages to being dead, and to die solves all problems after all. To not exist could never be a bad thing no matter what, in fact death is the most normal and inevitable thing and it's all that we could ever be destined for.

Indeed, I would say that what separates me from existentialgoof (exg for short) is that his writings and points are more geared towards a philosophical stance as well as his arguments, moreso than mine. My arguments is mostly stemmed from direct logic, and experiences; though that is not to say that his points are vastly different, just different ways of spreading the pro-choice message/sentiments in a different style, and similar points. At the end, more coverage and diversity in pro-choice arguments will help us debunk and shut down pro-life sentiments and what not.

I see no rational reason why existing is better or worse then not existing and good or bad are no rational catergories anyhow. But when you accept that the world and evolution (from the very beginning with big bang) exists, then there is an inner logic that makes a survival instinct necssary. On the other hand death is as necessary as survival for evolution. Nature wants us to die ( I know, nature wants nothing but it is easier to write it this way) above all. You can decide not to have children and you can commit suicide, this is only software you can ovewrite but you cannot decide to stay forever young and live forever because aging is hardware in your cells. The only reason that people dont kill themselves when they have accomplished their biological mission (children are rised) is that evolution has no lever when you don´t reproduce anymore. From this point of view socity is really perverted that it not only stigmatise suicide but prevents ill and old people by means of medical technology (big business) from dying.

This makes perfect sense at least from the perspective of the universe and nature, it simply is what it is. Anyhow, your analogy with software and hardware when it comes to the human mind and body is pretty logical too. I agree with you last sentence too, society is too obsessed with keeping people alive (especially those who don't want to anymore) against their will at all costs.

Nice article, can agree with most of it, really refreshing though about the badness of suicide, but I think there is badness to it, which the article doesn't address at all.

Friend, family, and the rest of the living. I agree if I CTB today and tomorrow I'd win the lottery I'm not better of. But if I CTB today, what will my mother do? My siblings? I'd put them in a really dark place, a worse place than I'm in rn.

Thx for sharing, really like the article!

Sure, psychologically and emotionally, one's CTB can affect others, but ultimately, coming from a human rights' perspective, bodily autonomy and liberty (as well as freedom) of choice should be more important than just that person's close circle or people that said person associates and interacts with. In addition to this, said person (and everyone who is alive today) is alive not because they made the decision, but because of their parents or others' decision. Therefore, said person has been imposed sentience against their own will and should not be obligated to partake in the activity of life if he/she doesn't wish to..