taylor321

taylor321

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I've been told that it's my fault my life is like this because I don't "involve myself in anything" or "I never try" or "I'm young and things will get better". But i HAVE involved myself in things, I was never a social person and I've been like that my whole life so I never fit in anywhere. Ive tried multiple meds, didn't have any highs, just side effects. I asked my old therapist if i could get pain meds and she said no, just wanted to give me generic meds like zoloft. So yes i have actually tried, nobody listens or wants to give me what i want. Its always the same fucking responses over and over. Ive reached out to sooo many people and even on here i have been ignored. Nobody values me and nobody cares about me at all. I'm almost 100% sure I could walk out to a pier or something and sit there all day and nobody would ask me what i was doing or talk to me at all. Literally.. whats even stopping me from tying something heavy to my ankles and drowning myself?
If people on here found out i ended my life they'd just say the same shit like "oh she was so young thats so sad" and generic ass responses like that. Ive gone out of my way many times before to try and help people (mostly suicidal/depressed people) but nobody ever shows that back. I get left on read or I get told "Thats rough good luck". This is my life, a lot of people on here cant even relate cause y'all have family members and friends that care about you and would miss you if you were gone. That must be really nice, too bad i'll never know what that's like. -_-
 
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Shinbu

Shinbu

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Some people are preoccupied with life. I'm sorry that you feel ignored in life, and on SS. We are dealing with something internally that neurotypicals can't fathom why we are suffering because "life is great" as they say. I'm sometimes hesitant to respond regarding SS threads, because responding as an act is anxiety inducing for me. I never seen you before on SS. Life hits hard for me, I'm sorry for not being there, and for other SS users. Tbh I don't go to piers, well we don't have piers because I live in a small town. Watching the ocean with someone, and striking a conversation would be nice. I wouldn't ignore you, I hope you feel better.
 
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It sucks when you dont get the same engery returned that you give out. Drains a person. Dont think nobody here cares about you, thats not true. A few bad apples dont spoil the tree. I know what its like to be alone, its hard. Lots of us are here to talk, myself included. Best wishes
 
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Donk

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i dont think people on SS purposely ignore you. i get it. i know how you feel. you are welcome to pm me if you need to talk to someone.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

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Ive read the entire OP multiple times. I hear the frustration and loneliness.

I also paid close attention to what you said about the forum and would like to offer my perspective. You may or may not value it, either way is okay.

First, I observe that you have been noticed. You have an exceedingly high number of reacts for a low amount of posts. You must say things that people connect with in some way. You have six and a half times more reacts than posts. In comparison, I have 1.7 times more reacts than posts. Admittedly, I have not looked at the threads you've commented on to see if anyone regularly engages with your comments beyond a react. However, you recently posted a question about F, and you got a lot of thoughtful responses. I've been active on the site for close to three months and from what I've seen, you got quite a healthy response. I also looked at the first page of your post history. I noticed you post on people's walls. Only one person did not respond who has been active since, and one person responded with an invitation to reach out any time. Maybe you did and it was a dud, I have no way of knowing how it turned out. In summary, you are noticed on this forum, you are not ignored.

I also note that react-to-post ratio is where the comparison between us should end. I'm gregarious, extroverted, social, and interactive by nature. I post a lot, that is my way in any forum I've ever been on. I'm not particularly loved or admired, but likewise I do not particularly love or admire the majority of people in the world either, and I'm content with that, but it took me many years and a lot of work to achieve that contentment. (I'm a 49yo woman btw.) I'm just my authentic and imperfect self here as much as I am irl. My self is very different from your self, and I'm completely accepting of that, no comparisons, no valuing one of us more highly than the other on my part.

Another challenge is that this is a suicide forum. In my observation, a great majority are here for less than three months, and their primary focus is to get information to work out a method, and get support to work out whatever shit keeps them from or causes them to ctb. If people make a deeper interpersonal connection than comments, I think it's generally because at least one of them gets something they value from the other person, are seeking the same things and happen to be members at the same time, and/or they share a particular affinity with the other person based on one or more similarities like age, conditions, beliefs, method, life experiences, interests, hobbies, background, goals, etc. I observe that making such a connection is rare for me personally because there are not many people in my older age group, and who also share similar interests, so I don't do much PMing. My interactions are overwhelmingly on the public side, and I connect briefly with a wide variety of people. For the most part, I've had some approach me privately for an opinion, advice, or insight, or I reach out to them, we discuss, and then the subject is closed and we each move on. You and I do not share much in common. I respond to you in comments as I do many, I notice and read many of your posts, as I do others', but I don't feel badly that there's nothing that stands out as affinity between us, and I don't consider it a rejection of you in any way. In turn, I don't think there's much about me that would attract you, and I'm okay with that too. But I have noticed you, and I certainly don't reject you as a human worthy of connection.

In short, SS is predominantly a place of moving on, and deep interpersonal connections seem to be far more the exception than the rule.

I can't fix any problems for others, but I can share my unique personal perspective and life experience. When I look at your desire to be noticed and connected with, I can't speak much to your irl experience. I don't have the same challenges and conditions or, from what I've noticed so far, background. The only thing I can speak to is your desire to connect with others on a forum. Since this is a forum generally consisting of brief connections, primary self-focus with secondary other-focus, based on mutuality of methods and desires, and in general, moving on, I think your desires will be frustrated here. However, I would offer that you're on the right track, and ask if you've sought out forums for people with your challenges and conditions (such as autism, for instance), your particular background (bullying? parental abuse?), and your interests. It seems that you have the ability to reach out, perhaps it would garner more satisfying results on a different style forum. I'm not at all suggesting you get the fuck out of here, I'm sharing my observations of how the forum operates, and suggesting that if it doesn't meet your needs, it's not that you don't have the interpersonal skills to achieve what you want, nor is it impossible, only that you may need to seek a different venue that's more suitable for those desires and needs.

That was a long and thoughtful response, in which you definitely weren't being ignored, rejected, or not cared about. But if it wasn't beneficial in any way that you value, that's okay. Like I said, I can't fix anything. I'm just acting in my interactive, extroverted way. I sincerely wish for your well-being, and, ultimately, that was at the root of everything I said.
 
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taylor321

taylor321

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Some people are preoccupied with life. I'm sorry that you feel ignored in life, and on SS. We are dealing with something internally that neurotypicals can't fathom why we are suffering because "life is great" as they say. I'm sometimes hesitant to respond regarding SS threads, because responding as an act is anxiety inducing for me. I never seen you before on SS. Life hits hard for me, I'm sorry for not being there, and for other SS users. Tbh I don't go to piers, well we don't have piers because I live in a small town. Watching the ocean with someone, and striking a conversation would be nice. I wouldn't ignore you, I hope you feel better.
Oh of course! i know some ppl get busy and i totally get that, thats why ive offered to talk with ppl other way like Snapchat, text, or Skype, im still ignored tho. I feel like maybe im annoying people because I would like to talk at least every other day with someone. I just feel like nobody is truly as suicidal as me, other ppl ive talked to have gotten their lives together and are happy and doing stuff. Like, its not that im mad at them, but i dont get why they cant reply even tho i always try to send something funny or interesting i find on online. Maybe people can tell that im desperate and thats why they ignore me? cause they know i have nobody else to go to? idk, i just thought about that.
And ive never seen u before on here either, but i agree id also like to sit by the ocean with someone and talk, that would be lovely. Thank you for replying, you are very sweet :heart:
 
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Shinbu

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So it's a one sided friendship?. If so, maybe confront them that you are always making the effort, and not them. If they do nothing about saving the friendship, then make new friends.
 
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highlyvolatile

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Sorry we hadnt talked more. I'd been off the forum and just sleeping most the day in general. I contacted you on skype though.
 
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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I really like how in responding to @Shinbu you become more aware. I like it because I'm am external thinker, so when I'm vulnerable and share what's bothering me, an insightful conversation can bring things to light so I can better deal with the issues that bother me.

If I may respond to some of the things you said (please ignore, or even tell me so, if you'd prefer I stay out of it or you don't find my perspective to be of value)...

I feel like maybe im annoying people because I would like to talk at least every other day with someone.

Your wants and needs are valid, and so are theirs. If I was in your position, I would say, "I enjoy communicating with you, however I'm unclear about expectations and boundaries. My preference in a friendship is to talk every other day, but you might have a different preference. Would you be willing to tell me what your preferences are? If they are not the same as mine, it would help me to know so that I can be aware of and respect your boundaries, and maybe we can negotiate clear expectations if I'm not comfortable with your preferences and/or you are not comfortable with mine."

Like, its not that im mad at them, but i dont get why they cant reply even tho i always try to send something funny or interesting i find on online.

If they consistently do not respond, I would either stop making that particular effort with them, or say something direct like, "My way of showing friendship is to share things I think you might find funny or interesting. However, I've observed that you don't respond and I am not sure how to interpret this. Would you be willing to tell me in a compassionate and honest way how you perceive these efforts, and whether or not you value you them?"

Maybe people can tell that im desperate and thats why they ignore me? cause they know i have nobody else to go to? idk, i just thought about that.

This could be a root issue, even if people don't admit it. It could also be a misinterpretation. In general, people are turned off by desperation, I think because they sense there are strong needs to be met. (How do you respond/react when you sense others are desperate, and how does that usually work out?) In my experience, desperation says there is something big that the person wants from me, but they need to find it in themselves, I will never be able to fulfill that need. True friendships take time to grow and build intimacy. In my experience, quick and powerful connections usually have unstable foundations, such as needs that drive things like desperation and a tendency to overlook and excuse red flags because the desire is stronger than self-protection and self-respect/self-worth. This kind of pattern can lead to dissatisfaction, abandonment, being strung along but never satisfied, or, at worse, manipulation and abuse. In other words, feeling like or even actually being victimized.

I hope I don't come across as cold or non-compassionate. I'm actually very analytical about certain things, it's a kind of passion but not in the most huggy-feely way. Speaking in this way about how I apply my experiences and what I've learned is a way of showing that I care and want to help -- in other words, demonstrating my compassion. I'm totally cool with you using them in your own way, or maybe being inspired by a different perspective, or rejecting it. I don't want to fix or control you, but empower you. If you don't find it empowering, I have no problem with you rejecting what I write. This thread is about you, not me.

Sending a hug if you would like one.
 
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s1mplem3

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I understand how do you feel, I dont have family or friends and all my life alone. Can't say that people pay attention, I feel myself invisible in this world. If you want to chat I'm here for you and I will not ignore you.
 
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taylor321

taylor321

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Ive read the entire OP multiple times. I hear the frustration and loneliness.

I also paid close attention to what you said about the forum and would like to offer my perspective. You may or may not value it, either way is okay.

First, I observe that you have been noticed. You have an exceedingly high number of reacts for a low amount of posts. You must say things that people connect with in some way. You have six and a half times more reacts than posts. In comparison, I have 1.7 times more reacts than posts. Admittedly, I have not looked at the threads you've commented on to see if anyone regularly engages with your comments beyond a react. However, you recently posted a question about F, and you got a lot of thoughtful responses. I've been active on the site for close to three months and from what I've seen, you got quite a healthy response. I also looked at the first page of your post history. I noticed you post on people's walls. Only one person did not respond who has been active since, and one person responded with an invitation to reach out any time. Maybe you did and it was a dud, I have no way of knowing how it turned out. In summary, you are noticed on this forum, you are not ignored.

I also note that react-to-post ratio is where the comparison between us should end. I'm gregarious, extroverted, social, and interactive by nature. I post a lot, that is my way in any forum I've ever been on. I'm not particularly loved or admired, but likewise I do not particularly love or admire the majority of people in the world either, and I'm content with that, but it took me many years and a lot of work to achieve that contentment. (I'm a 49yo woman btw.) I'm just my authentic and imperfect self here as much as I am irl. My self is very different from your self, and I'm completely accepting of that, no comparisons, no valuing one of us more highly than the other on my part.

Another challenge is that this is a suicide forum. In my observation, a great majority are here for less than three months, and their primary focus is to get information to work out a method, and get support to work out whatever shit keeps them from or causes them to ctb. If people make a deeper interpersonal connection than comments, I think it's generally because at least one of them gets something they value from the other person, are seeking the same things and happen to be members at the same time, and/or they share a particular affinity with the other person based on one or more similarities like age, conditions, beliefs, method, life experiences, interests, hobbies, background, goals, etc. I observe that making such a connection is rare for me personally because there are not many people in my older age group, and who also share similar interests, so I don't do much PMing. My interactions are overwhelmingly on the public side, and I connect briefly with a wide variety of people. For the most part, I've had some approach me privately for an opinion, advice, or insight, or I reach out to them, we discuss, and then the subject is closed and we each move on. You and I do not share much in common. I respond to you in comments as I do many, I notice and read many of your posts, as I do others', but I don't feel badly that there's nothing that stands out as affinity between us, and I don't consider it a rejection of you in any way. In turn, I don't think there's much about me that would attract you, and I'm okay with that too. But I have noticed you, and I certainly don't reject you as a human worthy of connection.

In short, SS is predominantly a place of moving on, and deep interpersonal connections seem to be far more the exception than the rule.

I can't fix any problems for others, but I can share my unique personal perspective and life experience. When I look at your desire to be noticed and connected with, I can't speak much to your irl experience. I don't have the same challenges and conditions or, from what I've noticed so far, background. The only thing I can speak to is your desire to connect with others on a forum. Since this is a forum generally consisting of brief connections, primary self-focus with secondary other-focus, based on mutuality of methods and desires, and in general, moving on, I think your desires will be frustrated here. However, I would offer that you're on the right track, and ask if you've sought out forums for people with your challenges and conditions (such as autism, for instance), your particular background (bullying? parental abuse?), and your interests. It seems that you have the ability to reach out, perhaps it would garner more satisfying results on a different style forum. I'm not at all suggesting you get the fuck out of here, I'm sharing my observations of how the forum operates, and suggesting that if it doesn't meet your needs, it's not that you don't have the interpersonal skills to achieve what you want, nor is it impossible, only that you may need to seek a different venue that's more suitable for those desires and needs.

That was a long and thoughtful response, in which you definitely weren't being ignored, rejected, or not cared about. But if it wasn't beneficial in any way that you value, that's okay. Like I said, I can't fix anything. I'm just acting in my interactive, extroverted way. I sincerely wish for your well-being, and, ultimately, that was at the root of everything I said.
Ya i get what u are saying, I didnt expect anyone to look into my post history but i have also been posting on another suicide chat on another site and youd be surprised how many people ive reached out to and havent gotten any response back. Ive reached out to other ppl too (not just suicidal), like ppl who deal with other stuff i also deal with too. Irl its even worse tbh, the way people have treated me. I didnt even get diagnosed with autism until my life was already ruined. I never got any special help in school unlike other kids. Nobody cared about me at all. One of my biggest regrets is not killing myself when i was 11. I was abused by a family member and was forced over and over to go back to his house even though id call on the phone crying and saying i wanted to leave. Looking through my post history is nothing like looking into my life, if u knew me irl and met me and we talked youd understand. People never take anything i say seriously, i had a therapist i went to for a year tell me "Im young and pretty" so i dont have to worry. Thats what i got when i told her im sad, alone, have no friends, and i havent dated yet and that depresses me. This is the highlight of the type of "help" ive received. This is why i never saw myself living to be 16. I could lay in bed all day for weeks and weeks and nobody would check up on me and nobody would care. Im pretty sure most ppl, even many on this site, have no idea how that feels and never will. Being all alone in the world is a very serious and painful experience that not even a concussion could fix.
 
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Mr2005

Mr2005

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I've been told that it's my fault my life is like this because I don't "involve myself in anything" or "I never try" or "I'm young and things will get better". But i HAVE involved myself in things, I was never a social person and I've been like that my whole life so I never fit in anywhere. Ive tried multiple meds, didn't have any highs, just side effects. I asked my old therapist if i could get pain meds and she said no, just wanted to give me generic meds like zoloft. So yes i have actually tried, nobody listens or wants to give me what i want. Its always the same fucking responses over and over. Ive reached out to sooo many people and even on here i have been ignored. Nobody values me and nobody cares about me at all. I'm almost 100% sure I could walk out to a pier or something and sit there all day and nobody would ask me what i was doing or talk to me at all. Literally.. whats even stopping me from tying something heavy to my ankles and drowning myself?
If people on here found out i ended my life they'd just say the same shit like "oh she was so young thats so sad" and generic ass responses like that. Ive gone out of my way many times before to try and help people (mostly suicidal/depressed people) but nobody ever shows that back. I get left on read or I get told "Thats rough good luck". This is my life, a lot of people on here cant even relate cause y'all have family members and friends that care about you and would miss you if you were gone. That must be really nice, too bad i'll never know what that's like. -_-
When I thought you were being ignored I tried talking to you and that didn't go so well. People will stop trying, they've got their own problems to deal with
 
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I know that feeling, it sucks being ignored. I lived like that almost all my life, there was a time I decided "to learn" not to worry about it. But, it's difficult being alone anyway, since I also don't have a close family.

I've tried the best I could to be part of a group, to be loved and so on. But, I just realized that I suck at having friends, making people to like me or even engaging a conversation. I just gave up trying. This is not the main issue that makes me wanna ctb, but it hurts :/

I'm so fucked up that I'm even ignored among suicidal ppl too. I've made some threads here, couldn't get much answers. I can only laugh about it and keep planning my ctb, there is no other options to me but disappear.
 
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taylor321

taylor321

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It sucks when you dont get the same engery returned that you give out. Drains a person. Dont think nobody here cares about you, thats not true. A few bad apples dont spoil the tree. I know what its like to be alone, its hard. Lots of us are here to talk, myself included. Best wishes
You are absolutely right about draining. I really have always just wanted a true friend, that's it. That's always been my biggest wish. I have been feeling tired and hungry a lot and it doesn't help that someone I thought i had made a suicide pact with completely bailed on me. Now i have to feel empty mentally too. Anyways I've been pretty livid sense, so I guess I'm just sick and tired of it all. I'm sick of hoping and I'm sick of people letting me down yknow? It hurts me in my heart, sometimes I would rather receive a punch to the face then silence, being ignored, or being lied to. I might sound bitchy and emo but everything I said is true.

Thank u for your response :heart:
 
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Isittimetogonola

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Oct 22, 2019
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Despite being called a friend to many, there are only 2 that seem to care. So that part I do get. For me, it is more comfortable to withdraw as not to be a burden to anyone. Comfortable can also be very draining and lonely. For me, I try to do one little thing for the positive. Many days there is no positive. I have never had the power to be there for myself. I like the above comment that the energy that someone like you (and also me) puts out never seems to come back. Please know that even though I may not said a lot, this is a safe place with love and kindness that gives me a bit of hope and connection. Please keep trying. You are more than welcome to PM me. I do love getting different perspectives on things. I wish you all the peace and love you rightly deserve. ❤
 
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]Most everybody likes me ok, but nobody just loves me to pieces. I discovered a while back I am missing "charm" in my personality. Most are drawn in by someone with a charming personality. I am a lot older woman, as well and I've been ignored my whole life so can totally relate. I gave up a long time ago. When you are depressed, you just have no energy to be charming. I've never seen you on here, either and part of that maybe we are from different areas and time zones and newer threads push older threads down further on the page. And it is easy to get lost here, because we all are pretty needy. I have a good feeling about you though, you seem very sweet and honest. Just keep reaching out. You will find your people
 
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