Alternative idea to suicide for me , Avoid Humans for the rest of my life and give up on society .

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

I have come to the conclusions that human beings are the causes of all the problems in the world.

I been thinking what hurt me in the world and caused me so many problems , and there's one common denominator -Humans.

No Human = No Problem.

I know you thinking oh im being too paranoid, "Not everyone" etc.

Oh please the majority is cruel and selfish.

you are naive.

you wont dive into a pool full of alligators and someone says half are good half are bad they wont attack, you'd say fuck that i aint getting in.

There has been experiments on human cruelty , Humans have been shown time and time again that they are sadistic and love having power and abuse their power. Standford prison experiment it proved we are all capable of cruelty , Another one a Button press to give other person pain experiment , another one a lady art experiment where she said people can do anything and they abused and almost raped her. Many more experiments on human cruelty you can find them all.

The human animal only cares for its own tribe, most humans would lie in front of court and lawmen to protect their tribe member.

Most humans would even keep murder and serious crime silent. in fact top phycologists have said all humans are cruel .

"Freud believed that parents' job in life is to "civilize" their "little heathens," that is, to teach their children to control these natural impulses in order to live in the world with other human beings. He therefore thought that we all have the possibility of acting on these impulses. It's just that some of us have them under better control than others."

The human brain even has a dedicated part for selfishness !

"Scientists may have found the brain area where selfishness roosts. That brain area is called the right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPFC), note the researchers. They included Daria Knoch, PhD, of Switzerland's University of Zurich."

People are just animals, and animals are ruthless. Homo sapiens have killed from the time their were around .Its how we got so far .

I seen it myself, my own family members and people i trusted did very bad things to me and my father.

I seen people get away with literal murder, hit and run killed someone and her rich parents covered it up.

Please so if you think someone else wont hurt, lie or steal from you when theres many people who appear normal but who are willing to get away with literal murder then you are naive as fuck.

 

[vinterland8]

People are just animals, and animals are ruthless. Homo sapiens have killed from the time their were around .Its how we got so far .

You understand that humans are naturally inclined to seek power, and that humans are animals, yet your criticism is that humans are violent and selfish?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I mean, if your issue has to do with people, i guess?

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

You understand that humans are naturally inclined to seek power, and that humans are animals, yet your criticism is that humans are violent and selfish?

" you understand that psychopaths' are naturally inclined to seek power and are animals yet you criticize them for being violent and selfish"?

excuse me? what you want me to say then? " oh they're just psychopaths its their nautre, they are allowed to be selfish and violent, leave the poor psychopaths alone!"

stupid strawman. non relevant argument bud.

I mean, if your issue has to do with people, i guess?

everyones issues are to do with people in some way.

 

[vinterland8]

excuse me? what you want me to say then? " oh they're just psychopaths its their nautre, they are allowed to be selfish and violent, leave the poor psychopaths alone!"

Yes. I'm telling you to abandon your liberal view of what humanity ought be and embrace naturalism.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

everyones issues are to do with people in some way.

I....guess.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

Yes. I'm telling you to abandon your liberal view of what humanity ought be and embrace naturalism.

no sorry, it seems you have the mentality of "if you can't beat them join them"

its a coping mechanism of living in this world.

There are undeniable experiements of human cruelty.

If you choose to be blind to human nature and ignore it as a cope thats fine.

But when you get hurt by someone really you trusted or someone takes away from you, dont say i didnt warn you.

**I will not embrace human nature, just because something is natural doesnt mean its good.

 

[vinterland8]

no sorry, it seems you have the mentality of "if you can't beat them join them"

its a coping mechanism of living in this world.

There are undeniable experiements of human cruelty.

If you choose to be blind to human nature and ignore it as a cope thats fine.

But when you get hurt by someone really you trusted or someone takes away from you, dont say i didnt warn you.

**I will not embrace human nature, just because something is natural doesnt mean its good.

I'm not blind to human nature, and I don't want to beat "them." I accept human nature and embrace it. I don't care for docile, domesticated, and weak humans — I want strong humans who are filled with vitality and a sense of natural purpose, and who look beyond modern conceptions of morality. We ought to be as close to nature as possible. When you write that "just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good," 1) how do you measure what is morally "good?" and 2) what meaning has the "unnatural" world given you?

 

[Mr2005]

I've come to similar conclusions but it's not about them it's about me. Some I like very much but I can't see them anymore. Every person is a reflection

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

I'm not blind to human nature, and I don't want to beat "them." I accept human nature and embrace it. I don't care for docile, domesticated, and weak humans — I want strong humans who are filled with vitality and a sense of natural purpose, and who look beyond modern conceptions of morality. We ought to be as close to nature as possible. When you write that "just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good," 1) how do you measure what is morally "good?" and 2) what meaning has the "unnatural" world given you?

listen i dont need to explain myself to you , you Admire Vain people thats your nature showing. you embrace humans you are part of the sheep herd not me.

dont impose your views upon me , like the rules say.

I simply am saying my reasons for suicide and why i want to avoid people.

you cope however you want with the reality of humans and admire whoever u want.

But experiments are factual and i came to my conclusions with experience.

 

[Niko66]

you wont dive into a pool full of alligators and someone says half are good half are bad they wont attack, you'd say fuck that i aint getting in.

^ I honestly think this is perfectly rational and I agree with you in my general contempt for the majority of humans... but there is the one problem, we are not purely rational beings, we are largely emotional and chemically driven as well and social contact, belonging and such other things tend to be core to one's mental well being which is also proven factually, I think if you were to be deadly serious about this and I am not kidding even if it sounds a bit crazy.... perhaps something like living in a monastery as a monk or some other form of isolation with purpose, and not just isolation for avoidance, could allow for such a life style of giving up desire of social contact...

Because let's face it, I am projecting here but given we share a lot of suffering over the lack of connection wiith others I think we can relate, avoiding people and isolation are painful and not going to make you content with yourself. Not for as long as we are still half way participating in this society (hence the monk idea) as we are constantly reminded both of what we don't have and what we want, to live a "normal" life is to participate in society and to interact with humans, even the person stuck in his room for a month will probably head into reddit or this forum and see and hear of people (plus someone has to be paying their bills) and we want to find that one or few people that aren't cruel assholes, warm kind people to care about us and to care about them ourselves, THAT is why we go into the alligator pool, because people are willing to take the risk to find their place in the world and that's where the analogy falls short, in the alligator pool there is no reward, for many of us perhaps there will never be a reward but we still want it, we want to find where in the goddamned pool do we belong, where in all the hazard could we find ourselves safe and embraced. So we can either enter the pool, or perhaps, I wouldn't have the faintest idea of how such a life is, look elsewhere completely, don't walk around the pool, walk outside the building and get the fuck away from it, or else it will keep tormenting you all the same.

I have avoidant personality disorder among many other things so I can tell you about my own experience, I don't think just avoiding people will ever work to make one happy, you need a replacement of some kind and if you can find that then perhaps your idea can work.

Also man you have the worst luck with people coming to troll in your threads damn it. I'd suggest you just hit the ignore button for your sanity's sake on that lad.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

perhaps something like living in a monastery as a monk or some other form of isolation with purpose

I actually considered that but it seems diffcult life, waking up at 3am , meditating for 18 hours, then going into town basically begging for money and then interacting and helping people, you also cant sleep on a bed or eat nice food, you just live to meditate and be at peace.

I guess in the sense of giving up on society and giving up material things is actually freeing.

But its actually difficult and sometimes i feel people are too idealistic about being a Monk thing.

Also man you have the worst luck with people coming to troll in your threads damn it. I'd suggest you just hit the ignore button for your sanity's sake on that lad.

Lmao i know right.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

I don't care for docile, domesticated, and weak humans — I want strong humans who are filled with vitality and a sense of natural purpose, and who look beyond modern conceptions of morality.

Being a loud-mouthed thug who terrorizes others is not what I would call "filled with vitality".

 

[vinterland8]

Being a loud-mouthed thug who terrorizes others is not what I would call "filled with vitality".

If "loud-mouthed thugs" wanted to "terrorize" you, it wouldn't matter what you wanted to call it, unless you were strong enough to fight back and assert that worldview. That's how the natural world works.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

If "loud-mouthed thugs" wanted to "terrorize" you, it wouldn't matter what you wanted to call it, unless you were strong enough to fight back and assert that worldview. That's how the natural world works.

Some of our species do not live in the natural world anymore; we live in artificial (human-made) environments. By your own logic human-made rights are not valid since the concept of laws and rights, as we know them, do not exist in nature. So we should just allow murder and any other violent act; after all: that is how nature works - correct? In fact: if your own world view was put into mass-practice we would also have no freedom of speech which means that you have (or would have) no right to your own opinions - including the ones that you have posted on this forum.

 

[Pluto]

I've wondered about the avoidant pathway too. I believe it is possible to be content without others, but obviously the void needs to be filled with something, or the state of the mind (which is actually the root problem if we are brutally honest) is addressed.

The biggest problem that I've found with this idea pertains to funding and other survival matters. Also it risks being a second-rate solution compared to actually overcoming challenges.

 

[Tortured Existence]

I have come to the conclusions that human beings are the causes of all the problems in the world.

I been thinking what hurt me in the world and caused me so many problems , and there's one common denominator -Humans.

No Human = No Problem.

I know you thinking oh im being too paranoid, "Not everyone" etc.

Oh please the majority is cruel and selfish.

you are naive.

you wont dive into a pool full of alligators and someone says half are good half are bad they wont attack, you'd say fuck that i aint getting in.

There has been experiments on human cruelty , Humans have been shown time and time again that they are sadistic and love having power and abuse their power. Standford prison experiment it proved we are all capable of cruelty , Another one a Button press to give other person pain experiment , another one a lady art experiment where she said people can do anything and they abused and almost raped her. Many more experiments on human cruelty you can find them all.

The human animal only cares for its own tribe, most humans would lie in front of court and lawmen to protect their tribe member.

Most humans would even keep murder and serious crime silent. in fact top phycologists have said all humans are cruel .

"Freud believed that parents' job in life is to "civilize" their "little heathens," that is, to teach their children to control these natural impulses in order to live in the world with other human beings. He therefore thought that we all have the possibility of acting on these impulses. It's just that some of us have them under better control than others."

The human brain even has a dedicated part for selfishness !

"Scientists may have found the brain area where selfishness roosts. That brain area is called the right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPFC), note the researchers. They included Daria Knoch, PhD, of Switzerland's University of Zurich."

People are just animals, and animals are ruthless. Homo sapiens have killed from the time their were around .Its how we got so far .

I seen it myself, my own family members and people i trusted did very bad things to me and my father.

I seen people get away with literal murder, hit and run killed someone and her rich parents covered it up.

Please so if you think someone else wont hurt, lie or steal from you when theres many people who appear normal but who are willing to get away with literal murder then you are naive as fuck.

To say that because people are animals and animals are ruthless is just not true. Most humans are ruthless, I agree. But, why are you demonizing ALL animals when most of them are anything but ruthless, and they are true victims of human cruelty, greed, and speciesism. Those are HORRIBLE traits and why I find most humans absolutely despicable!

Why do you despise all sentient beings, most of whom are innocent victims, just like you portray yourself, and I'm not saying you aren't. I don't know anything about you.

Why do dogs, cats, mice, rabbits, elephants, giraffes, deer, Javelina, cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc. etc. deserve your wrath? Do you contribute to their torture and murder by riding them, eating them, exploiting them, enslaving them? If so, you're one of the horrible humans you've just described.

I'm a misanthrope. I truly despise the human race. I'm also a vegan and an antinatalist. If you're not both of those, you're just another one of the billion human hypocrites.

 

[vinterland8]

Some of our species do not live in the natural world anymore; we live in artificial (human-made) environments. By your own logic human-made rights are not valid since the concept of laws and rights, as we know them, do not exist in nature. So we should just allow murder and any other violent act; after all: that is how nature works - correct? In fact: if your own world view was put into mass-practice we would also have no freedom of speech which means that you have (or would have) no right to your own opinions - including the ones that you have posted on this forum.

Yes. Humans rights and laws are given by the collective, which means they're only meaningful when asserted by the strongest collective. They don't exist otherwise and they're not grounded in any abstract realm. I'm not a human rights dogmatist.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

To say that because people are animals and animals are ruthless is just not true. Most humans are ruthless, I agree. But, why are you demonizing ALL animals when most of them are anything but ruthless, and they are true victims of human cruelty, greed, and speciesism. Those are HORRIBLE traits and why I find most humans absolutely despicable!

Why do you despise all sentient beings, most of whom are innocent victims, just like you portray yourself, and I'm not saying you aren't. I don't know anything about you.

Why do dogs, cats, mice, rabbits, elephants, giraffes, deer, Javelina, cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc. etc. deserve your wrath? Do you contribute to their torture and murder by riding them, eating them, exploiting them, enslaving them? If so, you're one of the horrible humans you've just described.

I'm a misanthrope. I truly despise the human race. I'm also a vegan and an antinatalist. If you're not both of those, you're just another one of the billion human hypocrites.

im sorry stop trolling and if you arent trolling then i wont accept your reasoning to give humans a free pass to be cruel, the reason why humans are to be held to a higher standard is because their brain and life and ability for critical thought is far ahead of other animals so is there capacity for empathy and social cohesion.

Yes. Humans rights and laws are given by the collective, which means they're only meaningful when asserted by the strongest collective. They don't exist otherwise and they're not grounded in any abstract realm.

The point being is humans are inherently cruel and evil and selfish despite their ability for logic, reason , higher thought, empathy and social cohesion. They should be held to a higher standard, for only the good and those who upheld other humans to a higher standard is how we got this far as a race.

IF by your logic it isnt an abstract realm well there would be chaos and we may not even be here.

Sorry i dont except your reasoning to allow humans a free pass.

Im stating my views, you can cope and think however you like.

I made the post due to my own conclusions, reading on human cruelty experiments and my own experiences .

 

[Al Cappella]

Personally, I keep them all at a distance, as if every last one of them is expectorating Ebola…

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

Personally, I keep them all at a distance, as if every last one of them is expectorating Ebola…

Best way imo!

 

[VivantMort]

"Almost all of our sorrows spring out of our relations with other people."

~Arthur Schopenhauer

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

"Almost all of our sorrows spring out of our relations with other people."

~Arthur Schopenhauer

yes awesome and true!!!!

also " Hell Is Other People"

Jean Paul Sartre.

 

[VivantMort]

yes awesome and true!!!!

also " Hell Is Other People"

Jean Paul Sartre.

Yes!!

Another one of my faves is by Jiddu Krishnamurti :

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

("society" obviously being comprised of people. Sigh.)

 

[Someone123]

Loneliness is the most painful thing in the world, you will find this to be the most painful thing you could do. Sadly a lot of people have treated you badly, this has happened to me too. BUt the only way to be happy in this world is to be around people who care about you.

 

[VivantMort]

"Loneliness does not come from being alone, but arises when one does not have anyone [who is receptive and of like-mind] to talk/communicate with about things that are of great importance... no one with whom to discuss certain views which others find inadmissible."

~Carl Gustav Jung (liberally paraphrased)

 

[FindingTheEnd]

its kinda what i already do personnally.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

oneliness does not come from being alone, but arises when one does not have anyone [who is receptive and of like-mind] to talk/communicate with about things that are of great importance... no one with whom to discuss certain views which others find inadmissible."

exactly and with the internet i never feel alone/lonely.

its kinda what i already do personnally.

tell me more ? hmmm yeah/

 

[sfabians]

Do you want to live far away from the city? Maybe you want to live in an area where there are very few people, where the quality of life is primitive.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

Do you want to live far away from the city? Maybe you want to live in an area where there are very few people, where the quality of life is primitive.

id like that yes but id need internet connection.