ageing sucks

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

i can really see why so many people commit suicide between 26-28 (club 27)...its the point where everythings starts to going downhill

 

[TAW122]

I'm actually 28, but yes, I could see life either going downhill or pretty much already set in stone (for the most part) in my life. While I'm not depending on a specific age to ctb, it mainly depends on the circumstances surrounding my life. One thing is pretty much a guarantee though, I'd rather die before I lose my capacity, faculty, and autonomy to make decisions, therefore, before old age (probably middle age).

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Imo life starts going down hill after we enter puberty, but still in the teenage years there is so many emotions and I had so many exciting and memorable experiences after the age of 20 my depression went away and I couldn´t feel anything not happiness or sadness just blank nothing so to me life officially ends at 20 even though I knew my social life was over at 17 I would say life or at least MY life was over at 20½ after my depression went away there was no more sadness which felt good in a weird way, at 18-19 when contemplating suicide depression gave me a great drive to do it because of the extreme sadness and teenage hormones racing through my body so none of that anymore and no excitement for anything I don´t care about my looks anymore or to do certain things because I won´t be able to feel excited about it, heck I don´t even enjoy playing video games anymore.

 

[ShadowOfTheDay]

i can really see why so many people commit suicide between 26-28 (club 27)...its the point where everythings starts to going downhill

On the other hand, senescence is a comforting reminder that one day it will all be over.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Imo life starts going down hill after we enter puberty, but still in the teenage years there is so many emotions and I had so many exciting and memorable experiences after the age of 20 my depression went away and I couldn´t feel anything not happiness or sadness just blank nothing so to me life officially ends at 20 even though I knew my social life was over at 17 I would say life or at least MY life was over at 20½ after my depression went away there was no more sadness which felt good in a weird way, at 18-19 when contemplating suicide depression gave me a great drive to do it because of the extreme sadness and teenage hormones racing through my body so none of that anymore and no excitement for anything I don´t care about my looks anymore or to do certain things because I won´t be able to feel excited about it, heck I don´t even enjoy playing video games anymore.

from a biological point of view you reach peak between 23 and 26


but ofc there can be exception


eg premature balding men, a few women look worse with 25 then with 20 etc




i looked at old pictures recently and even though majority of 30sth will tell you they still look like they were in their 20s its really not the case

 

[Exile]

It's sounding very Logan's Run in here.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

from a biological point of view you reach peak between 23 and 26

I was talking about the peak in life as in where we have the most happiness and excitement and that is imo definitely NOT in that age you describe after entering puberty we walk into hell and it´s only getting worse and worse by each passing year and adulthood is the worst of the worst. Of course this is purely subjective to me mainly because of all my physical illnesses that makes every day life much harder than anyone else so my physical health gets worse every year but for you people with your normal functioning bodies you might be able to enjoy it but I can´t.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

On the other hand, senescence is a comforting reminder that one day it will all be over.

wow jesus only that in modern times the process of the physical decay takes in average 40 to 60 years and is at least twice as long as our youth

 

[Pulpit2018]

If you keep in shape you can remain in peak until roughly 30 (with aerobic endurance up to 35).But yeah after 30 i think mentally its gets heavy as well.
After becoming a wizard its time to go.

 

[Final Escape]

Until about age 34 I felt attractive and then aging starts to show a bit. Skin starts to lose its glow, sag, crepey. By 42 it's a horror show

 

[Final_frontier]

I think starting to age at 27 is totally "fair" if you have had a good life until then. After all, you're a biological organism subject to the same phenomena that other living things are subject to.
But what if you get fucked at 12 itself with mental illness as in my case, and has only been getting worse every year. Now, that's not cool.

 

[Your Own Ghost]

When you're young it's easy to look at older people and say, "Oh, I'll never be like that." Then your joints start to hurt. You have unexplainable symptoms. Despite your best intentions, the weight starts to add on. And before you know it, you're limping around the grocery store just trying to get some goddamn bread and go home and some young whippersnapper takes the fast lane around you.

And when you're young, old people look so... old. Then as you age you see them in a different light. You can kind of see the child trapped within, but doomed to carry on the present course. And in your thirties and forties, it's that course that becomes a fight to delay and prevent the inevitable. You know, only if you had the energy.

The best part is when you go to the doctor's and explain your symptoms and they're like, "Eh, what are ya going to do?"

To OP… I thought about the 27 club a lot when I was 27. I remember lying in bed on my birthday and wondering if this should be it. But in the end, it's just the romanticizing of cherry picked statistics. A story like that can be formed for any age.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

from a biological point of view you reach peak between 23 and 26


but ofc there can be exception


eg premature balding men, a few women look worse with 25 then with 20 etc




i looked at old pictures recently and even though majority of 30sth will tell you they still look like they were in their 20s its really not the case

Who gives a shit about what people look like? I swear, half the people in here will complain about how shallow society is, but then turn around and post this shit.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Who gives a shit about what people look like? I swear, half the people in here will complain about how shallow society is, but then turn around and post this shit.

i stop believing that only the inside counts when i turned 9

and a lot of things in life make more fun if you are young (and preferably dont look like the elephant man)

thats a common known fact. if you ask senior citizens the majority will agree. im sorry man but is the way it is. of course we can all close our eyes and pretend it isnt there but it wont make it go away.

the only good thing about ageing is that you tend to get less neurotic and dont get freaked out by minor shit

 

[21Neberg]

the only good thing about ageing is that you tend to get less neurotic and dont get freaked out by minor shit

annnnd that a natural death is a year closer, of course!

 

[WhiteRabbit]

i stop believing that only the inside counts when i turned 9

and a lot of things in life make more fun if you are young (and preferably dont look like the elephant man)

thats a common known fact. if you ask senior citizens the majority will agree. im sorry man but is the way it is. of course we can all close our eyes and pretend it isnt there but it wont make it go away.

the only good thing about ageing is that you tend to get less neurotic and dont get freaked out by minor shit

Is being young fun? I guess. (although many young people here would probably disagree.) But it's not like having a few grey hairs or wrinkles will destroy your life, unless you put beauty above all else. Like David Foster Wallace said, "Worship your own body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly, and when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally plant you."

I choose to opt out of that way of thinking. Aging sucks because of health issues, not some bullshit obsession with looking youthful.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Is being young fun? I guess. (although many young people here would probably disagree.) But it's not like having a few grey hairs or wrinkles will destroy your life, unless you put beauty above all else. Like David Foster Wallace said, "Worship your own body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly, and when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally plant you."

I choose to opt out of that way of thinking. Aging sucks because of health issues, not some bullshit obsession with looking youthful.

ageing sucks but because of various reasons not just because of health issues. its way more than that. less responsiblities, less bills, and yes also looks.


are you telling me living as a washed up 30sth is still as great as being young in college or at the end of high school?


it isnt and when i look around me in the office im not alone...when it gets summer and hot and can literally see how many colleagues look outside and start to daydream about the good old times when they went to the lake after school.

when they still had most of their hair at the top of the head and not at their back.

when they didnt had a ton of responsiblities and a house mortage.


and ask any women when her dating life was easier - with 20 or with 36

 

[WhiteRabbit]

ageing sucks but because of various reasons not just because of health issues. its way more than that. less responsiblities, less bills, and yes also looks.


are you telling me living as a washed up 30sth is still as great as being young in college or at the end of high school?


it isnt and when i look around me in the office im not alone...when it gets summer and hot and can literally see how many colleagues look outside and start to daydream about the good old times when they went to the lake after school.

when they still had most of their hair at the top of the head and not at their back.

when they didnt had a ton of responsiblities and a house mortage.


and ask any women when her dating life was easier - with 20 or with 36

I'm 34 and I don't consider myself "washed up". I like having a house, even if it comes with a mortgage. It's less than I was paying in rent. I liked having a job where I was making a hell of a lot more money than when I was in my 20's (I can't work anymore due to illnesses that have nothing to do with age). I'm married, but dating in my 20's sucked, most people were super immature and just looking for a hookup.

And why should I just be asking women about their dating life after their 20's? Because women are undesirable after 20's and men aren't?

 

[chrijo]

For me, the world gets uglier and colder with every birthday.

I miss the youthful carelessness. I don't care about life experience and money, I want my ignorance back.

I agree with OP - ageing sucks.

 

[Kyrok]

I'm in my 50s with loads of health problems.

My health was fine up through my mid 30s. By my early 40s, my scoliosis started to seriously limit what I could do each day. Nevertheless, I think I was at my intellectual peak from 38-45, as I accrued the knowledge to produce excellent work and still had ample energy. I think, as well, I was better looking during this period than when young... very fair skin had a bit more character.

For many professions, your prime will be in your 40s.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

I'm 34 and I don't consider myself "washed up". I like having a house, even if it comes with a mortgage. It's less than I was paying in rent. I liked having a job where I was making a hell of a lot more money than when I was in my 20's (I can't work anymore due to illnesses that have nothing to do with age). I'm married, but dating in my 20's sucked, most people were super immature and just looking for a hookup.

And why should I just be asking women about their dating life after their 20's? Because women are undesirable after 20's and men aren't?

to the first point: detable but probably questions of personal preference - im not sure if many people prefer a 8 to 5 job (or even more hours with almost no freetime for hobbies compared to school / collegee), bills to pay to the time of college or higschool. you maybe have money once you enter the worklife but you miss the freedom and freetime you had in college and school.


how many new people you meet once you enter work life compared to the time before? how many new, deep friendships you make? how many new hobbies you start? how many new memories you make compared to college once you get trapped in 8 to 5 job? what "crazy" things you do that you can still tell years later? or another question - how many new songs - really good songs that give you goosebumps - you discovered once you hit 30? is that the time were you slowly start to only listen to "old" songs from your youth? wait a few years and you will be like your grandpa who listens to that ancient songs from 60 years ago...

of course you can also spend your highschool or college years doing nothing. spending your time with video games, learning like a maniac in the library. or going through school / college with zero friends. in that case it wont be a good time either. but the time of youth has a lot more potential to be an awesome time than any other times that follow.


of course if you are a big fan of routine or love to spend most of the day with your job (because you really enjoy what you do) it might be different.



to the second point: dating for a bunch of men - especially but not only if they arent an optical firework in their youth - gets indeed easier in their 30s - because other things like career and money gets more important. there is even common saying / a joke about this topic in my language that is about an engineer who doesnt get much action during his college time but once the $$$ starts coming he is suddenly quite wanted.


and that looks plays more important fact (unfortunately) for women when it comes to mating isnt big news. they cant compensate with a stabble income or a good career (thats why we can observe that in relationships the man tends to be older and has more income then the woman. a male doctor dating a female nurse is quite common, vice versa not so much). that most women in their 20s have more opportunities when it comes to dating then a 35 or even 45 cant be a shocker to you (even though i could witness some unpleasant awakenings in my social circle - eg a woman that got out of 9 year relationship that started in her mid/late 20s .. so maybe it isnt common knowledge for everyone)

I think starting to age at 27 is totally "fair" if you have had a good life until then. After all, you're a biological organism subject to the same phenomena that other living things are subject to.
But what if you get fucked at 12 itself with mental illness as in my case, and has only been getting worse every year. Now, that's not cool.

we have to keep in mind that people in the stoneage didnt get older 40/45 in average (and that with already ignoring the high infant mortality at that time - otherwise it would have been even less). age related illnesses like cancer were totally unknown until the modern age. the human body was never really constructed to get that old that we get today

 

[WhiteRabbit]

to the first point: detable but probably questions of personal preference - im not sure if many people prefer a 8 to 5 job (or even more hours with almost no freetime for hobbies compared to school / collegee), bills to pay to the time of college or higschool. you maybe have money once you enter the worklife but you miss the freedom and freetime you had in college and school.


how many new people you meet once you enter work life compared to the time before? how many new, deep friendships you make? how many new hobbies you start? how many new memories you make compared to college once you get trapped in 8 to 5 job? what "crazy" things you do that you can still tell years later? or another question - how many new songs - really good songs that give you goosebumps - you discovered once you hit 30? is that the time were you slowly start to only listen to "old" songs from your youth? wait a few years and you will be like your grandpa who listens to that ancient songs from 60 years ago...

of course you can also spend your highschool or college years doing nothing. spending your time with video games, learning like a maniac in the library. or going through school / college with zero friends. in that case it wont be a good time either. but the time of youth has a lot more potential to be an awesome time than any other times that follow.


of course if you are a big fan of routine or love to spend most of the day with your job (because you really enjoy what you do) it might be different.



to the second point: dating for a bunch of men - especially but not only if they arent an optical firework in their youth - gets indeed easier in their 30s - because other things like career and money gets more important. there is even common saying / a joke about this topic in my language that is about an engineer who doesnt get much action during his college time but once the $$$ starts coming he is suddenly quite wanted.


and that looks plays more important fact (unfortunately) for women when it comes to mating isnt big news. they cant compensate with a stabble income or a good career (thats why we can observe that in relationships the man tends to be older and has more income then the woman. a male doctor dating a female nurse is quite common, vice versa not so much). that most women in their 20s have more opportunities when it comes to dating then a 35 or even 45 cant be a shocker to you (even though i could witness some unpleasant awakenings in my social circle - eg a woman that got out of 9 year relationship that started in her mid/late 20s .. so maybe it isnt common knowledge for everyone)




we have to keep in mind that people in the stoneage didnt get older 40/45 in average (and that with already ignoring the high infant mortality at that time - otherwise it would have been even less). age related illnesses like cancer were totally unknown until the modern age. the human body was never really constructed to get that old that we get today

I still discover new hobbies that I enjoy, I still discover songs that give me goosebumps. My job wasn't a 9-5, I ran my own business and made my own hours. Before illness and chronic pain set in (not age related), I enjoyed my early 30's much more than any other time in my life and would still be enjoying my mid 30's if I didn't get sick. I still got hit on, so if I wasn't married, I doubt I'd have trouble dating. Women get married at every age believe it or not. And as far as men who date women much younger than themselves, who only care about the guys money? That sounds sad to me, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

I feel like a lot of people are unhappy as they age (health issues aside) because they're unhappy about the life that THEY created for themselves. You don't have to get weighed down by a 9-5 that you hate, you don't have to get stuck with a mortgage or a family if you don't want to. I know a guy in his 40's who works as a white water rafting guide, rents a small cabin, and is about to start his own company. He loves his job and lifestyle. People feel like they have to live one type of life, when in reality, they don't.

 

[Final Escape]

When you're young it's easy to look at older people and say, "Oh, I'll never be like that." Then your joints start to hurt. You have unexplainable symptoms. Despite your best intentions, the weight starts to add on. And before you know it, you're limping around the grocery store just trying to get some goddamn bread and go home and some young whippersnapper takes the fast lane around you.

And when you're young, old people look so... old. Then as you age you see them in a different light. You can kind of see the child trapped within, but doomed to carry on the present course. And in your thirties and forties, it's that course that becomes a fight to delay and prevent the inevitable. You know, only if you had the energy.

The best part is when you go to the doctor's and explain your symptoms and they're like, "Eh, what are ya going to do?"

To OP… I thought about the 27 club a lot when I was 27. I remember lying in bed on my birthday and wondering if this should be it. But in the end, it's just the romanticizing of cherry picked statistics. A story like that can be formed for any age.

First part made me laugh. That's how it is too. You're like in denial that your body will fall apart. As the aging stuff hits you, u wish u had been more able to conceive of your mortality while young. It's annoying not to have a accurate frame of reference for old age when you are young. I saw my mother but she wasn't a good example, because she was one of those very industrious, conscientious types who doesn't tend toward depression and keeps trucking on no matter what the situation. She's not the average old person. Still working her ass off at 70 and in decent health.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

I still discover new hobbies that I enjoy, I still discover songs that give me goosebumps. My job wasn't a 9-5, I ran my own business and made my own hours. Before illness and chronic pain set in (not age related), I enjoyed my early 30's much more than any other time in my life and would still be enjoying my mid 30's if I didn't get sick. I still got hit on, so if I wasn't married, I doubt I'd have trouble dating. Women get married at every age believe it or not. And as far as men who date women much younger than themselves, who only care about the guys money? That sounds sad to me, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

I feel like a lot of people are unhappy as they age (health issues aside) because they're unhappy about the life that THEY created for themselves. You don't have to get weighed down by a 9-5 that you hate, you don't have to get stuck with a mortgage or a family if you don't want to. I know a guy in his 40's who works as a white water rafting guide, rents a small cabin, and is about to start his own company. He loves his job and lifestyle. People feel like they have to live one type of life, when in reality, they don't.

well i recently stummbled about this articel

We stop discovering new music at age 30, a new survey suggests — here are the scientific reasons why this could be

A survey from music streaming service Deezer suggests we stop listening to new music at the age of 30 years and 6 months — a time when we are likely to be feeling overwhelmed by musical choice, and busy with work and children.

www.businessinsider.de

when i was referring to new songs. in general to we stop to listen to new kind of music with age. not only new songs but especially new types of music - how many people in their 50 listen to trap?

its a fact of life and apparently it starts with 30.


good to know you have your own business. normaly those people have to work more than the average joe at his 9 to 5 job though, especially in the beginning and if they dont get any financial support from their family or life partner.

but good to know it works out for you and that you earn enough to pay bills, pay for mortage, pension plan etc and still have much freetime. what kind of business is that and what do your wife/husband works if i may ask? if its too private i understand of course



i never said women in their 30s dont get any attention anymore, i just said the attention is starting to drop compared to 20. and during the 30, eventually 40s it will get noticable. but hey maybe it will be different for you and you will get MORE attention in your midthirties/40 then in your 20s. id still say this is an exception then and not a norm.

and yeah the engineer who basically got shit during college and more attention in his 30 through his income and job perspective is not just a joke but can observed pretty much in real life. a know a guy (he studied chemistry though) who gets way more attention then in college 10 years ago and i somehow have the feeling that isnt necesseraly connected to the change of his appearance (receeding hairline, a bit heavier now) but to a different factor. his character stayed the same, he was always funny. so what has changed?

You don't have to get weighed down by a 9-5 that you hate, you don't have to get stuck with a mortgage or a family if you don't want to.

of course you have.

if you have a family and children to care for. if you want to come far in your field, make a legit career you just cant switch in your mid/endthirties and do sth totally different. in most cases it wont work out.


this is what im talking about. if youre young everything is possible. you can still dream.

once you thirty, with kids and bills, these dreams are long gone, replaced by the harsh reality of finality.
tell me - how many mouth does this 40 year old water rafting guy has to feed? how many children does he have? and how does the woman looks like that lives with him in the cabin?

 

[WhiteRabbit]

well i recently stummbled about this articel

We stop discovering new music at age 30, a new survey suggests — here are the scientific reasons why this could be

A survey from music streaming service Deezer suggests we stop listening to new music at the age of 30 years and 6 months — a time when we are likely to be feeling overwhelmed by musical choice, and busy with work and children.

www.businessinsider.de

when i was referring to new songs. in general to we stop to listen to new kind of music with age. not only new songs but especially new types of music - how many people in their 50 listen to trap?

its a fact of life and apparently it starts with 30.


good to know you have your own business. normaly those people have to work more than the average joe at his 9 to 5 job though, especially in the beginning and if they dont get any financial support from their family or life partner.

but good to know it works out for you and that you earn enough to pay bills, pay for mortage, pension plan etc and still have much freetime. what kind of business is that and what do your wife/husband works if i may ask? if its too private i understand of course



i never said women in their 30s dont get any attention anymore, i just said the attention is starting to drop compared to 20. and during the 30, eventually 40s it will get noticable. but hey maybe it will be different for you and you will get MORE attention in your midthirties/40 then in your 20s. id still say this is an exception then and not a norm.

and yeah the engineer who basically got shit during college and more attention in his 30 through his income and job perspective is not just a joke but can observed pretty much in real life. a know a guy (he studied chemistry though) who gets way more attention then in college 10 years ago and i somehow have the feeling that isnt necesseraly connected to the change of his appearance (receeding hairline, a bit heavier now) but to a different factor. his character stayed the same, he was always funny. so what has changed?




of course you have.

if you have a family and children to care for. if you want to come far in your field, make a legit career you just cant switch in your mid/endthirties and do sth totally different. in most cases it wont work out.


this is what im talking about. if youre young everything is possible. you can still dream.

once you thirty, with kids and bills, these dreams are long gone, replaced by the harsh reality of finality.
tell me - how many mouth does this 40 year old water rafting guy has to feed? how many children does he have? and how does the woman looks like that lives with him in the cabin?

I feel like we could go on and on about this so i'm going to end it here. I listen to new types of music all the time. Plenty of older people do. My mother is 65 and she's more up to date on music than I am. It's a passion for her. If you stop finding new things to enjoy when you get older, then that's your own choice. It doesn't have to be that way. The guy who does the rafting has a wife who does the same thing, she's average looking and so is he. They don't have kids, because kids come with more responsibility. That's my point. If you don't want to be saddled with a job you hate, don't rack up responsibilities that require you to have that job. Or if you really desire kids, you may have to suck it up and work a 40-50 hour week. And honestly, not everyone hates their 9-5 job. I know people with jobs that I would personally hate, but they actually enjoy for the most part.

I find it kind it strange that you keep putting so much emphasis on how people (especially women) look. All that really matters is if that persons partner is attracted to them. Ugly and older people date all the time. Are they dating young hotties? Usually not, but so what? I don't doubt that your engineer friend is getting more attention since now he has a nice salary. I personally wouldn't want to date someone who wouldn't have given me a second glance if I didn't have lots of money, but that's just me.

Is it difficult to change careers in your 30's/40's? It can be. Is it impossible? Not at all. People do it all the time.


If someone wants to think their life ends past 30, then that's on them. Lots of people enjoy their 30's and onward. It just depends on the choices you make and your outlook.

 

[Pulpit2018]

but the time of youth has a lot more potential to be an awesome time than any other times that follow.

Thats just wrong.You cant say that as a certainty.Plenty of people are miserable when young for many reasons.
How many teenagers are on the brink of suicide?
It just differs.Looking at suicide rates,they spike a bit during early adulthood,then they go down until about 40s and then they slowly reach their max around 50-60.
The fact that for many people college times are the most enjoyable are probably cultural-societal and not because of nature.And looking at millenials for instance,they are not exactly shouting their happiness.Maybe they are exaggerating their misery because its more cool or whatever,but the point is this youth celebration is misguided.
I can prove it,by looking at the numbers of young people leaving my country to go live somewhere else.
Probably the same for many countries.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

i can really see why so many people commit suicide between 26-28 (club 27)...its the point where everythings starts to going downhill

Have you seen on here the comments about "old people" ... ? And on Reddit it's waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Ageism is just about the only broad societal bigotry that's not just tolerated but also encouraged.