(Accidental) Opioid Overdose is Saved and a Vegetable

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Your post is full of bad assumptions. Extreme vasodilation in the brain is capable of producing a stroke as is vasoconstriction. SN isn't neuroprotective.

Your post is full of bad assumptions and condescension . SN hasn't caused brain damage in all the cases i've seen because in hypoxia SN dilates the blood vessels . You are spreading misinformation.
I haven't seen a single reliable case of brain damage from an SN ctb attempt survivor : and i'v seen several here including 16 documented in that post with SN cases. So SN is neuroprotective. That you say it's not is spreading misinformation .Furthermore you do it in a derogatory and condescending manner which violates the rules of this forum

These are quotes from the following article :
" Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions to increase blood flow where it is needed the most "
"...intravenous sodium nitrite reduced the damage to the heart [24], liver [25] and brain after ischaemia/reperfusion [26], prevented [27] and reversed [28] cerebral vasospasm after subarachnoid haemorrhage (SAH)2 in non-human primates. "

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

But for ctb puposses people take many times that amount.This proves that in low dose of SN:

Low-dose sodium nitrite vasodilates hypoxic human pulmonary vasculature by a means that is not dependent on a simultaneous elevation in plasma nitrite - PubMed

Inorganic nitrite has recently been recognized to possess vascular activity that is enhanced in hypoxia. This has been demonstrated in humans in the forearm vascular bed. In animal models nitrite reduces pulmonary vascular resistance, but its effects upon the pulmonary circulation of humans have...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sodium nitrite exerts an antihypertensive effect and improves endothelial function through activation of eNOS in the SHR - Scientific Reports

Sodium nitrite (NaNO2) induces relaxation in isolated arteries partly through an endothelium-dependent mechanism involving NO-eNOS-sGC-cGMP pathway. The present study was designed to investigate the effect of chronic NaNO2 administration on arterial systolic blood pressure (SBP) and vascular...

www.nature.com

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA.120.14930

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

Why don't you tell then the reason for no brain damage -in all of the survivors documented on that thread for SN cases ,then if it is not vasodilation of the brain blood vessels in hypoxia. You don't provide a counter reason.

 

[Meditation guide]

Down the road it might be a cancer risk.

Despite SN being popular here relatively few deaths are caused by it.

I've been here over three months and there have been I'm guessing around 15 deaths from it. As methods go, it's not been around as long as others, as I recall just a couple of years.

 

[Aap]

Kindergarten teacher in China gets death sentence for poisoning dozens of her colleague's students

Wang Yun accused of putting sodium nitrite into porridge being prepared for her colleague's students, sickening 25 and killing one.

www.cbsnews.com

Protracted injury from SN leading to death. In most cases, those who survive an acute OD have no lingering issues. However, the sample size is exceptionally small. Any method that kills can result in brain injury, even if the window for such insult to occur is small.

Can depressed BP lead to a stroke? Of course? Can nitrate OD result in critically lowered BP? Of course. Can a vasodilator decrease BP and lead to a stroke? Of course. Arguing to the contrary is like arguing the earth is flat. It is nonsensical.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

Your post is full of mis-truths and condescension . SN doesn't cause brain damage because in hypoxia SN dilates the blood vessels . You are spreading misinformation.
There hasn't been a single case of brain damage from SN ctb attempts. So SN is neuroprotective. That you say it's not is spreading misinformation .Furthermore you do it in a derogatory and condescending manner which violates the rules of this forum

These are quotes from the following article :
" Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions to increase blood flow where it is needed the most "
"...intravenous sodium nitrite reduced the damage to the heart [24], liver [25] and brain after ischaemia/reperfusion [26], prevented [27] and reversed [28] cerebral vasospasm after subarachnoid haemorrhage (SAH)2 in non-human primates. "

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

.But for ctb puposses people take many times that amount.This proves that in low dose of SN:

Low-dose sodium nitrite vasodilates hypoxic human pulmonary vasculature by a means that is not dependent on a simultaneous elevation in plasma nitrite - PubMed

Inorganic nitrite has recently been recognized to possess vascular activity that is enhanced in hypoxia. This has been demonstrated in humans in the forearm vascular bed. In animal models nitrite reduces pulmonary vascular resistance, but its effects upon the pulmonary circulation of humans have...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sodium nitrite exerts an antihypertensive effect and improves endothelial function through activation of eNOS in the SHR - Scientific Reports

Sodium nitrite (NaNO2) induces relaxation in isolated arteries partly through an endothelium-dependent mechanism involving NO-eNOS-sGC-cGMP pathway. The present study was designed to investigate the effect of chronic NaNO2 administration on arterial systolic blood pressure (SBP) and vascular...

www.nature.com

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA.120.14930

Why don't you tell then the reason for no brain damage then if it is not vasodilation of the brain blood vessels in hypoxia. You don't provide a counter reason.

Mis-truths, lol. Never heard that one. I won't comment on anything else in the post since I don't know much about the topic, but I found this term interesting.

 

[woxihuanni]

Kindergarten teacher in China gets death sentence for poisoning dozens of her colleague's students

Wang Yun accused of putting sodium nitrite into porridge being prepared for her colleague's students, sickening 25 and killing one.

www.cbsnews.com

Protracted injury from SN leading to death. In most cases, those who survive an acute OD have no lingering issues. However, the sample size is exceptionally small. Any method that kills can result in brain injury, even if the window for such insult to occur is small.

Honestly, I am not sure what it precisely was and what purity.

 

[Aap]

It is nonsensical to claim that vasodilators and critically lowered blood pressure cannot cause a stroke.

 

[woxihuanni]

It is nonsensical to claim that vasodilators and critically lowered blood pressure cannot cause a stroke.

Any idea what the critical window is?

 

[Aap]

No, but with any method it is critical to be undisturbed. The risky period is the window when unconsciousness sets in, met-hgb is increasing, O2 sat is dropping, and circulatory collapse is beginning. The number of SN cases is very small, and it certainly does not seem most survivors have long term issues. It is irresponsible to claim that SN is somehow immune from risks, however. The mental gymnastics some jump through to get there is hard to follow at times.

 

[woxihuanni]

No, but with any method it is critical to be undisturbed. The risky period is the window when unconsciousness sets in, met-hgb is increasing, O2 sat is dropping, and circulatory collapse is beginning. The number of SN cases is very small, and it certainly does not seem most survivors have long term issues. It is irresponsible to claim that SN is somehow immune from risks, however. The mental gymnastics some jump through to get there is hard to follow at times.

Honestly, better have a stroke than be healthy, useful, servile but still unfucked. Who cares anyway.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Kindergarten teacher in China gets death sentence for poisoning dozens of her colleague's students

Wang Yun accused of putting sodium nitrite into porridge being prepared for her colleague's students, sickening 25 and killing one.

www.cbsnews.com

Protracted injury from SN leading to death. In most cases, those who survive an acute OD have no lingering issues. However, the sample size is exceptionally small. Any method that kills can result in brain injury, even if the window for such insult to occur is small.

Can depressed BP lead to a stroke? Of course? Can nitrate OD result in critically lowered BP? Of course. Can a vasodilator decrease BP and lead to a stroke? Of course. Arguing to the contrary is like arguing the earth is flat. It is nonsensical.

You're spreading fear about SN suggesting that SN will cause a stroke which is brain damage. Where are the many reliable cases of stroke or brain damage after an SN ctb attempt? you provide no proof just criticism and assumptions that go against what most of us have seen here the many imo SN ctb survivor cases without brain damage ( just 16 cases of SN survivors in this post with SN cases https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/ ) . You are the one making assumptions and being unfairly critical and condescending of my posts which violates the rules of this forum.

I never mentioned anything about a stroke . I didn't say SN makes you immune to brain damage etc. i didn't say there are no risks with SN . That's you twisting what i said.. You saying that i said that there were no risks with SN is twisting what i said. i was just answering a question of a person on this thread. My main point of my post to answer that question in this thread was : that there is a difference between SN and other methods in not causing brain damage after being found. And many others here have also seen this . It's not just me. We've seen many people just here attempt with SN and then go to the hospital and then didn't get brain damage . there are just 16 cases in of SN survivors in that post that catalogues several SN cases on this forum.

Brain damage however is very likely with co, drowning, hanging,opiods , etc attempts : i've seen cases of brain damage with those other methods not SN however. There have been many SN attempts in the world .if what you say were true that SN causes brain damage then pro-life groups would definitely had made those cases known and we know many are spinned that way anyway. We all know there is an attempt to scare people away from methods but not the other way around.

i didn't say SN is without risks or makes you immune to brain damage that is you twisting what i said to be unfairly critical of me.

Just stop replying to me and bad mouthing my posts.

 

[Greenberg]

It was this case here, it's all in Portuguese though: https://www.diariodecanoas.com.br/n...vem-morador-de-sao-leopoldo-desaparecido.html

There was an article where they even posted pictures of all the medicines they used plus the SN bottle, I believe it was removed after anti-suicide watchdogs caught notice of this case, since I can't find it anymore and on social media many posted about how wrong it was to show all the stuff they used.



It severely slows down decomposition. Only someone who works with SN can answer this properly, but...

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/connect/fsis-content/internet/main/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/foodborne-illness-and-disease/clostridium-botulinum/ct_index

It's purpose is to literally conserve meat, so this effect is expected, specially when taking large amounts of it such as 20 grams.



Yes, it's mainly used for food conservation.

I read the article fully.

Nowhere did it referred to the bodies being well preserved. In fact, one of the bodies required forensics to be identified. Moreover, there was no reference to SN. Please clarify the source of your information.

Decomposition is a natural process. SN similar to saltpeter (NO3) does preserve meat but an excessive amount uniformly dispersed is required to preserve the entire human body.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

I read the article fully.

Nowhere did it referred to the bodies being well preserved. In fact, one of the bodies required forensics to be identified. Moreover, there was no reference to SN. Please clarify the source of your information.

Decomposition is a natural process. SN similar to saltpeter (NO3) does preserve meat but an excessive amount uniformly dispersed is required to preserve the entire human body.

Yeah, I thought that 20 grams of SN would hardly preserve the whole body.

 

[Greenberg]

Yeah, I thought that 20 grams of SN would hardly preserve the whole body.

Yes, exactly, Just 20g would eliminate the embalming entirely. Think of the savings... LOL

 

[Aap]

16 is an incredibly small number. How many thousands of opioid ODs occur without brain damage. I am not twisting anything. I'm trying to add responsibility. Any manner of death carries with it some risk of brain damage. SN is not immune from this. Any suggestion that it is is irresponsible. On one hand SN is a deadly poison, and on the other, it is risk free is an odd position to take.

Conflating me with "scare tactics" and associating me with pro life scare tactics is rich. SN cannot be a deadly poison and simultaneously free from risk. That isn't how anything works. I'm very vocal that I think SN is mostly peaceful and most people who survive it don't have any long term effects. Suggesting it doesn't carry risks, however, is not grounded in reality.

 

[Forgotten]

I read the article fully.

Nowhere did it referred to the bodies being well preserved. In fact, one of the bodies required forensics to be identified. Moreover, there was no reference to SN. Please clarify the source of your information.

Decomposition is a natural process. SN similar to saltpeter (NO3) does preserve meat but an excessive amount uniformly dispersed is required to preserve the entire human body.

I think your translator failed hard, the article says the other person needed his identity verified by the forensics because the family of the other guy didn't know who he was, this was originally a missing person case and they were searching for only one person, the other guy was unknown, so they didn't have any references to whom to call to communicate his death, for a person close to him could go there and confirm his identity to start all the proceedings, not that the body itself was unrecognizable. Brazilian media doesn't report suicide cases, much less what kind of method was used, so forget about it, there was an article showing the pictures of all the stuff they used, but it's gone. It's just that this was originally a missing person case, that's why it ended up being reported, if they knew it was suicide it wouldn't be anywhere and as soon a case is confirmed as suicide, it simply stops being reported. Brazil has pretty strong suicide prevention watchdogs and according to them reporting suicide or mentioning the method uses ends up inspiring more suicides, so they do anything to keep it away from the media.

And of course the body will decompose, I just found that information interesting. But it's fine either way, I don't think something like this matters anyway.

 

[Thatdude]

Honestly this is terrifying to me:

I keep flipping between opioid overdose and SN.
Back to SN.

This can happen with anything we pick. Even rope can cause this. Like a lack of oxygen but not enough to actually kill you or maybe someone finds you before you die. And this is enough to cause major brain damage.

It's a huge risk and it's a major major major major reason I've spent years and years and years researching this. Like lets assume he wanted to off himself now he is like that. How? He most likely can't even wipe his own ass. He physically won't be able to. Some might say bite your tongue off, but looking it up it has an extremely low likely of killing someone. I honestly hope to never been in that spot since that is a major hell into itself.
Keep in mind, brain damage does tend to include your IQ.

God I wish we had clear access to assisted suicide.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

This shouldn´t discourage anyone from using opiates, just like with hanging among other methods if you remove people from the equation you won´t survive the reasons people survive is because there was people to "save" them this is why night time in a secluded or private area is the way to do it, again no people around and you won´t survive if you have done your research.

 

[Meretlein]

Your post is full of bad assumptions and condescension . SN hasn't caused brain damage in all the cases i've seen because in hypoxia SN dilates the blood vessels . You are spreading misinformation.
I haven't seen a single reliable case of brain damage from an SN ctb attempt survivor : and i'v seen several here including 16 documented in that post with SN cases. So SN is neuroprotective. That you say it's not is spreading misinformation .Furthermore you do it in a derogatory and condescending manner which violates the rules of this forum

These are quotes from the following article :
" Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions to increase blood flow where it is needed the most "
"...intravenous sodium nitrite reduced the damage to the heart [24], liver [25] and brain after ischaemia/reperfusion [26], prevented [27] and reversed [28] cerebral vasospasm after subarachnoid haemorrhage (SAH)2 in non-human primates. "

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

But for ctb puposses people take many times that amount.This proves that in low dose of SN:

Low-dose sodium nitrite vasodilates hypoxic human pulmonary vasculature by a means that is not dependent on a simultaneous elevation in plasma nitrite - PubMed

Inorganic nitrite has recently been recognized to possess vascular activity that is enhanced in hypoxia. This has been demonstrated in humans in the forearm vascular bed. In animal models nitrite reduces pulmonary vascular resistance, but its effects upon the pulmonary circulation of humans have...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sodium nitrite exerts an antihypertensive effect and improves endothelial function through activation of eNOS in the SHR - Scientific Reports

Sodium nitrite (NaNO2) induces relaxation in isolated arteries partly through an endothelium-dependent mechanism involving NO-eNOS-sGC-cGMP pathway. The present study was designed to investigate the effect of chronic NaNO2 administration on arterial systolic blood pressure (SBP) and vascular...

www.nature.com

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA.120.14930

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

Why don't you tell then the reason for no brain damage -in all of the survivors documented on that thread for SN cases ,then if it is not vasodilation of the brain blood vessels in hypoxia. You don't provide a counter reason.

SN makes your blood cells unable to carry oxygen. One passes out and dies because their brain and organs are not receiving any oxygen. The studies you link about Sn's neuroprotective effects only apply to very small doses. SN suicides involve a massive overdose of the substance since our bodies naturally try to convert our blood cells back to normal. If someone's SN suicide goes wrong, there is a chance they will end up with brain damage.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

16 is an incredibly small number. How many thousands of opioid ODs occur without brain damage. I am not twisting anything. I'm trying to add responsibility. Any manner of death carries with it some risk of brain damage. SN is not immune from this. Any suggestion that it is is irresponsible. On one hand SN is a deadly poison, and on the other, it is risk free is an odd position to take.

Conflating me with "scare tactics" and associating me with pro life scare tactics is rich. SN cannot be a deadly poison and simultaneously free from risk. That isn't how anything works. I'm very vocal that I think SN is mostly peaceful and most people who survive it don't have any long term effects. Suggesting it doesn't carry risks, however, is not grounded in reality.

Again , i didn't say SN is without risks : so you saying that i said that is twisting what i said. Stop twisting what i said.

I did not say that SN is immune to brain damage or risk free.

I know that nothing is 100% foolproof. There are risks with anything .

 

[TheGoodGuy]

SN makes your blood cells unable to carry oxygen. One passes out and dies because their brain and organs are not receiving any oxygen. The studies you link about Sn's neuroprotective effects only apply to very small doses. SN suicides involve a massive overdose of the substance since our bodies naturally try to convert our blood cells back to normal. If someone's SN suicide goes wrong, there is a chance they will end up with brain damage.

Thank you! I think you´re the first person who has mentioned this, everyone acts like you can´t end up with brain damage or a vegetable from a failed SN overdose but I just don´t buy it, any substance that can kill you in larger quantities can have horrible consequences if one would survive but people think with SN it´s either death or a failed attempt with no problems like there isn´t no in-between.

From what I have l learned from this forum and like you pointed out an SN overdose will cause the brain and organs to not receive oxygen so if one were to get their stomach pumped or puke up enough of the SN their body might have been depleted for oxygen for so long that it will cause damage like someone surviving hanging by being "saved".

 

[MYStERY_Man]

Here's a case with brain damage similar to CO, albeit without neurological impairment: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/

It seems if they waited more before administering methylene blue (very effective by the way), there could be relevant damage.

 

[Greenberg]

I think your translator failed hard, the article says the other person needed his identity verified by the forensics because the family of the other guy didn't know who he was, this was originally a missing person case and they were searching for only one person, the other guy was unknown, so they didn't have any references to whom to call to communicate his death, for a person close to him could go there and confirm his identity to start all the proceedings, not that the body itself was unrecognizable. Brazilian media doesn't report suicide cases, much less what kind of method was used, so forget about it, there was an article showing the pictures of all the stuff they used, but it's gone. It's just that this was originally a missing person case, that's why it ended up being reported, if they knew it was suicide it wouldn't be anywhere and as soon a case is confirmed as suicide, it simply stops being reported. Brazil has pretty strong suicide prevention watchdogs and according to them reporting suicide or mentioning the method uses ends up inspiring more suicides, so they do anything to keep it away from the media.

And of course the body will decompose, I just found that information interesting. But it's fine either way, I don't think something like this matters anyway.

Back to my original comment, there is mention of SN and preservative properties of SN. So what you are saying is hearsay?

 

[tidalwave420]

My worst fear omg. I'm an opiate addict to and always wished for an OD — had a few, none of them caused issues after but I know it isn't reliable. Does this only happen if you are found? What if you are left alone for days?

 

[lostangel]

I really hope there is a cure for paralysis of neck down.

 

[Umbrellaterm]

I'm really intrigued why he isn't conveying any message to his parents like "kill me please"

They mention cerebral pares, is this the explanation of his non existent IQ maybe?

I'm not trying to be offensive if anyone here has CP

 

[shay23]

Despite SN being popular here relatively few deaths are caused by it. A Google search brings up only a few reported cases. I suspect if we had a bigger sample to study we would find people sustaining long term damage.

I really think it's purposely not being reported and behind the scenes SN is being tightened. No longer accessible as it once was.

 

[Meditation guide]

Since there are a few self righteous people on this forum I will add in my own self righteous post:
I don't think anyone should be referred to as a "vegetable".

 

[tidalwave420]

Since there are a few self righteous people on this forum I will add in my own self righteous post:
I don't think anyone should be referred to as a "vegetable".

don't think they meant harm by it, it is called "persistent vegetative state" in the medical world...

 

[sadworld]

Opioid OD death usually occurs between 1 and 3 hours. So one just has to be sure they get that much time if that's their ctb method.

 

[mentalhealthfighter]

God.. why dont they just kill him. PLEASE.