Absolutely fucking stunning suicide statistics that prove we are living in hell

[pento]

47,511 people died by suicide in the United States in 2019. This is a very small portion of the population, 0.0145%, or 1 in 6910 people.

But, as we know from this forum, many people who are suicidal don't have adequate access to sufficiently lethal methods.

In the same year, there were 1,380,000 suicide attempts in the United States. In other words, only 1 in 30 attempts was lethal.

To put it another way, if every individual had N (or a hypothetical instant death switch) sitting in a drawer ready to use whenever, 1,427,511 people would have died in 2019. That's 0.435% of the population, or 1 in 230 people.

70% of people who attempt suicide never attempt again. This means approximately 1 million unique individuals attempt suicide each year.

Within a decade, a little over 3% of the population, 1 in 32, would be gone. This doesn't even account for potential ripple effects that such suicides would cause, likely leading to even more suicides.

Among young people, the numbers are absolutely fucking devastating. 8.9% of high school students attempt suicide each year -- that's 1 in 11. Since it's a much shorter time horizon than the lifetime 70% no reattempt statistic referenced earlier, we can assume something like 90% of high schoolers only attempt suicide once. Further, 15.7% of high school students made a suicide plan -- 1 in 6, and 18.8% seriously consider suicide -- 1 in 5.

We can graph what would happen if each of these populations all had N starting today:



If we gave each student N today, here's what would happen:

If all suicide attempts were N, half of all students would be dead in 8 years, three quarters dead in 14 years

If all with suicide plans used N, half of all students would be dead in 4 years, three quarters dead in 9 years

If all who seriously considered suicide used N, half of all students would be dead in 3 years, three quarters dead in 7 years

For the latter two groups, 99% of all students would be dead in 30 years

Maybe, just maybe, if people could choose when to peacefully exit the earth, instead of forcing them to suffer, there would be a mass reckoning and the greatest reduction of human suffering in history.

But no, corporations need their wage slaves, after all!

Fuck this planet.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

I don't believe high school kids should be given access to N. It should be 18+ only, with assessments by at least two doctors for complete confirmation of ctb. People with terminal illness should be able to ctb at any age

 

[motel rooms]

I don't believe high school kids should be given access to N.

I agree. SN is good enough for the little shits.

 

[Ta555]

I don't believe high school kids should be given access to N. It should be 18+ only, with assessments by at least two doctors for complete confirmation of ctb. People with terminal illness should be able to ctb at any age

There's one thing I would disagree with...that everyone who had attempted had an actual intention to die. Many of them were probably suicidal gestures or drunk impulses. But overall, yes, there are a huge number of people who think about suicide. Plus think of all the ones that want to but haven't attempted.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Yeah I agree, not everyone does it with the intention to die. But if it were easily accessible to these young kids, there would probably be way too many impulse ctbs

 

[miserableforever]

47,511 people died by suicide in the United States in 2019. This is a very small portion of the population, 0.0145%, or 1 in 6910 people.

But, as we know from this forum, many people who are suicidal don't have adequate access to sufficiently lethal methods.

In the same year, there were 1,380,000 suicide attempts in the United States. In other words, only 1 in 30 attempts was lethal.

To put it another way, if every individual had N (or a hypothetical instant death switch) sitting in a drawer ready to use whenever, 1,427,511 people would have died in 2019. That's 0.435% of the population, or 1 in 230 people.

70% of people who attempt suicide never attempt again. This means approximately 1 million unique individuals attempt suicide each year.

Within a decade, a little over 3% of the population, 1 in 32, would be gone. This doesn't even account for potential ripple effects that such suicides would cause, likely leading to even more suicides.

Among young people, the numbers are absolutely fucking devastating. 8.9% of high school students attempt suicide each year -- that's 1 in 11. Since it's a much shorter time horizon than the lifetime 70% no reattempt statistic referenced earlier, we can assume something like 90% of high schoolers only attempt suicide once. Further, 15.7% of high school students made a suicide plan -- 1 in 6, and 18.8% seriously consider suicide -- 1 in 5.

We can graph what would happen if each of these populations all had N starting today:

View attachment 79002

If we gave each student N today, here's what would happen:

If all suicide attempts were N, half of all students would be dead in 8 years, three quarters dead in 14 years

If all with suicide plans used N, half of all students would be dead in 4 years, three quarters dead in 9 years

If all who seriously considered suicide used N, half of all students would be dead in 3 years, three quarters dead in 7 years

For the latter two groups, 99% of all students would be dead in 30 years

Maybe, just maybe, if people could choose when to peacefully exit the earth, instead of forcing them to suffer, there would be a mass reckoning and the greatest reduction of human suffering in history.

But no, corporations need their wage slaves, after all!

Fuck this planet.

Where did you find this information? Not doubting your stats, just would like to read more into the topic. If there's more..

 

[pento]

Where did you find this information? Not doubting your stats, just would like to read more into the topic. If there's more..

All info is linked in purple, just click on the stats.

I don't believe high school kids should be given access to N. It should be 18+ only, with assessments by at least two doctors for complete confirmation of ctb. People with terminal illness should be able to ctb at any age

Yeah I'm not suggesting they should, this was more pointing out how fucked our society is than anything else.

 

[Manaaja]

It's almost as if Homo Sapiens isn't Hetero Slaves.

Seriously though, in societies that aren't in contact with the outside world, I'd like to know how many commit suicides. I know there's a group of people living in the Amazon who have TWENTY times less stress hormone in their system than Londoners, so I'd think they would have twenty times less suicides too. It must be nice living, they just hang out naked and half naked, eat fruits from trees, build shacks, never even hear the words "school, money, work, debt". I'd miss the electricity and water system though.

It's amazing how the same people who say that humans are apes are the same people who don't think that humans should live like apes, in jungles, naked, eating and chilling.

 

[willitpass]

I don't believe high school kids should be given access to N. It should be 18+ only, with assessments by at least two doctors for complete confirmation of ctb. People with terminal illness should be able to ctb at any age

i agree with that to a certain extent. in my case i have been severely mentally ill since i was a young child and had my first attempt at 13. i had two more attempts in high school and one botched attempt. i think high schoolers should be allowed access to N with the doctor confirmation

 

[Someone123]

47,511 people died by suicide in the United States in 2019. This is a very small portion of the population, 0.0145%, or 1 in 6910 people.

But, as we know from this forum, many people who are suicidal don't have adequate access to sufficiently lethal methods.

In the same year, there were 1,380,000 suicide attempts in the United States. In other words, only 1 in 30 attempts was lethal.

To put it another way, if every individual had N (or a hypothetical instant death switch) sitting in a drawer ready to use whenever, 1,427,511 people would have died in 2019. That's 0.435% of the population, or 1 in 230 people.

70% of people who attempt suicide never attempt again. This means approximately 1 million unique individuals attempt suicide each year.

Within a decade, a little over 3% of the population, 1 in 32, would be gone. This doesn't even account for potential ripple effects that such suicides would cause, likely leading to even more suicides.

Among young people, the numbers are absolutely fucking devastating. 8.9% of high school students attempt suicide each year -- that's 1 in 11. Since it's a much shorter time horizon than the lifetime 70% no reattempt statistic referenced earlier, we can assume something like 90% of high schoolers only attempt suicide once. Further, 15.7% of high school students made a suicide plan -- 1 in 6, and 18.8% seriously consider suicide -- 1 in 5.

We can graph what would happen if each of these populations all had N starting today:

View attachment 79002

If we gave each student N today, here's what would happen:

If all suicide attempts were N, half of all students would be dead in 8 years, three quarters dead in 14 years

If all with suicide plans used N, half of all students would be dead in 4 years, three quarters dead in 9 years

If all who seriously considered suicide used N, half of all students would be dead in 3 years, three quarters dead in 7 years

For the latter two groups, 99% of all students would be dead in 30 years

Maybe, just maybe, if people could choose when to peacefully exit the earth, instead of forcing them to suffer, there would be a mass reckoning and the greatest reduction of human suffering in history.

But no, corporations need their wage slaves, after all!

Fuck this planet.

The main cause of suicides in the young is some form of bullying or abuse- when people are still in school, if they can't turn to their parents and they are bullied at school ,who can they turn to? Anyway, excellent presentation of these ideas.

 

[miserableforever]

All info is linked in purple, just click on the stats.

Yeah I'm not suggesting they should, this was more pointing out how fucked our society is than anything else.

Got it ty. Wow I'm stupid lol

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

47,511 people died by suicide in the United States in 2019. This is a very small portion of the population, 0.0145%, or 1 in 6910 people.

But, as we know from this forum, many people who are suicidal don't have adequate access to sufficiently lethal methods.

In the same year, there were 1,380,000 suicide attempts in the United States. In other words, only 1 in 30 attempts was lethal.

To put it another way, if every individual had N (or a hypothetical instant death switch) sitting in a drawer ready to use whenever, 1,427,511 people would have died in 2019. That's 0.435% of the population, or 1 in 230 people.

70% of people who attempt suicide never attempt again. This means approximately 1 million unique individuals attempt suicide each year.

Within a decade, a little over 3% of the population, 1 in 32, would be gone. This doesn't even account for potential ripple effects that such suicides would cause, likely leading to even more suicides.

Among young people, the numbers are absolutely fucking devastating. 8.9% of high school students attempt suicide each year -- that's 1 in 11. Since it's a much shorter time horizon than the lifetime 70% no reattempt statistic referenced earlier, we can assume something like 90% of high schoolers only attempt suicide once. Further, 15.7% of high school students made a suicide plan -- 1 in 6, and 18.8% seriously consider suicide -- 1 in 5.

We can graph what would happen if each of these populations all had N starting today:

View attachment 79002

If we gave each student N today, here's what would happen:

If all suicide attempts were N, half of all students would be dead in 8 years, three quarters dead in 14 years

If all with suicide plans used N, half of all students would be dead in 4 years, three quarters dead in 9 years

If all who seriously considered suicide used N, half of all students would be dead in 3 years, three quarters dead in 7 years

For the latter two groups, 99% of all students would be dead in 30 years

Maybe, just maybe, if people could choose when to peacefully exit the earth, instead of forcing them to suffer, there would be a mass reckoning and the greatest reduction of human suffering in history.

But no, corporations need their wage slaves, after all!

Fuck this planet.

This was a fascinating analysis.

 

[deflationary]

For the latter two groups, 99% of all students would be dead in 30 years

Pretty sure there's something fucky going on with your inferences when you get to this statistic :)

If you take all of the suicidal students out of the picture each year, the percentage of suicidal students presumably goes down the next year.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Giving students easy access to N seems like a really bad idea- I am all for allowing people the right to choose for themselves whether to live or die, but not sure I would trust teenagers to make the right choice one way or the other.

 

[Circles]

And your stats are only for the US. If I remember when I delved into this also there were an 'estimated' 200 million suicide attempts each year worldwide. I can't remember where I saw the source. Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the US atleast; I forgot about worldwide. Over a 1,000,000 people kill themselves every year. That's almost 3,000 people dying every single day. One interesting statistic I learned is that 1/3 of suicides happens in China and India. Besides car related deaths, suicide is the second leading cause of for young people. So many statistics.

 

[TriggerHappy]

Wow.
What a realisation to wake up to.
Yr post is well presented and results r shockingly surreal :: sadly I'm one of those 'deserving' peeps (just ask my family) who gets hit with delays beyond my control... I'm shocked about the bit that people who attempt then don't ever again... I fear my first accidental attempt (od) has me considering somewhat compulsively. Spawned a monster so to speak. Testing limits I guess. I need whisky in my morning coffee..!

 

[Midgardsorm]

Very interesting.

I know that statistical analysis is just a one a speculation but it does show some interesting (and sad) facts about the case.

It's no new the media, scientists and mental health professionals practitioners talks about the suicide epidemic. It has been there for ages now. They blame social media, they blame sleep deprivation, they blame anxiety caused by social exclusion, they blame celebrities' death. - They never blame themselves.

The main culprit on their views is the technology. We are constant connected and always thinking on the new trends. That's where the "Fear of Missing Out (FOMO)" word came from. Basically tends to keep the young people restless and anxious.
As much as there is truth in this statement, they tend to keep their views on a very particular group of individuals. Suicide grows not only on the younglings but on older people too. Not only on people that uses social media, some don't even have an account on one of those.

Now the worst is their type of action.

They can't get tired from telling to people "Reach out for help", "Seek professional assistance", just as they tend to control uses of media, prevent a celebrity suicide from being published or omit various facts about it, turn suicide into a unthinkable taboo. (You can talk about as long as you're going to 'seek help').
Lastly but not least, the talk about "Suicide Prevention". Preventing suicide is not the same as helping someone. You're taking away their tools, but you're leaving people with their suffering.

As some users said once: Most people in this forum are in therapy, were in therapy. Same with medications.

However they seems to not realize when their techniques are simply not working. Why insist on blaming the patient? We are the ill, they are supposed to be the professionals, it's not fair that we pay so much to do mostly all the work for them.
Some may recover, some may not, but we will never know if the ones that recovered were in fact due to therapy/psychiatry

Also there is the ward which every day I only see terrible treatments, experiences that not in few cases, make someone even worse.

The talk goes on and on. Better treatments, managing our pain, constant communication and assistance to the suicidal must be done.

They talk as if it's not their fault ...

 

[9BBN]

This is great data, and I love the discussion. Thanks for posting. Here's my takeaways. Please challenge my statistics if you think I'm wrong.

Within a decade, a little over 3% of the population, 1 in 32, would be gone.

This assumes no population growth. With population growth, the net growth would of course be positive. For example, by 2022, we expect about 7 million more people in the US than in 2019.

People have already mentioned not all attempts are serious as well. This cannot be under emphasized.

Among young people, the numbers are absolutely fucking devastating. 8.9% of high school students attempt suicide each year -- that's 1 in 11. Since it's a much shorter time horizon than the lifetime 70% no reattempt statistic referenced earlier, we can assume something like 90% of high schoolers only attempt suicide once. Further, 15.7% of high school students made a suicide plan -- 1 in 6, and 18.8% seriously consider suicide -- 1 in 5.

I think you mean to say we can assume something like 90% of attempters will only attempt once.

Another thing is that the "lifetime attempts" statistic is outdated. We do not know how many gen z attempters will attempt again, only how many attempting baby boomers attempted again. This is becasue we cannot see into the future how many gen z will attempt. But in this increasingly suicidal world, I would imagine more people will attempt again now than before.

We can also see that, over time, a lot of factors that are negatively correlated with ctb are diminishing (religion, lack of education, lack of access to attempts, etc). So the ctb rate is increasing from its 2019 estimate.

If we gave each student N today, here's what would happen:

If all suicide attempts were N, half of all students would be dead in 8 years, three quarters dead in 14 years

Except, in just four years, each high school student is no longer a high school student.

Besides that, here's the math. Since 1 in 11 high-schoolers attempt, then if we assume equal distribution, 1 in 11 freshmen high-schoolers attempt. Even assuming the surviving freshmen have the same ctb rate each following year (unlikely, since the depressed people have already ctb), then by graduation the death percentage is 1-(10/11)^4 = 31.7%. So if you're entering high school, assuming these statistics, you will graduate with 68.3% of your class if every attempt is successful.

If all with suicide plans used N, half of all students would be dead in 4 years, three quarters dead in 9 years

31.7% would be dead in 4 years, 46.6% in 8 years by projecting that statistic from 1-(10/11)^8.

If all who seriously considered suicide used N, half of all students would be dead in 3 years, three quarters dead in 7 years

For the latter two groups, 99% of all students would be dead in 30 years

High school students who seriously considered suicide is 1 in 5. So that means 1 in 5 freshmen seriously consider ctb, assuming equal distribution like before. With similar calculations, death rate by graduation is 1-(4/5)^4 = 41%. So each freshman can expect to graduate with 59% of their peers if anybody who seriously considered ctb immediately ctb.

Maybe, just maybe, if people could choose when to peacefully exit the earth, instead of forcing them to suffer, there would be a mass reckoning and the greatest reduction of human suffering in history.

With my numbers, this is still accurate.

But no, corporations need their wage slaves, after all!

Fuck this planet.

Amen. Obviously these statistics demonstrate a huge corporate/political/social incentive to keep people alive. It's crab mentality.

 

[Pluto]

Very interesting analysis.

I remember when I was younger, the statistic was that 30,000 Americans complete a suicide each year (this must be 20 years ago). Seems the rate has been rising sharply in recent years, not that this should surprise anyone. It is also believed that the suicide rate is under-reported. So it could be 50k, 60k, who knows? I've mentioned before that not all automobile accidents are accidents.

I agree with the conclusion that the rate would be through the roof if comfortable methods such as N in pill form were legalised and the stigma removed. Looking at the reality of the human suffering, though, this is not exactly a utopia free of the horrors of overpopulation. What about the people who drive others to suicide whilst living long and healthy lives themselves?

 

[blueclover_.]

Ah

Very interesting.

I know that statistical analysis is just a one a speculation but it does show some interesting (and sad) facts about the case.

It's no new the media, scientists and mental health professionals practitioners talks about the suicide epidemic. It has been there for ages now. They blame social media, they blame sleep deprivation, they blame anxiety caused by social exclusion, they blame celebrities' death. - They never blame themselves.

The main culprit on their views is the technology. We are constant connected and always thinking on the new trends. That's where the "Fear of Missing Out (FOMO)" word came from. Basically tends to keep the young people restless and anxious.
As much as there is truth in this statement, they tend to keep their views on a very particular group of individuals. Suicide grows not only on the younglings but on older people too. Not only on people that uses social media, some don't even have an account on one of those.

Now the worst is their type of action.

They can't get tired from telling to people "Reach out for help", "Seek professional assistance", just as they tend to control uses of media, prevent a celebrity suicide from being published or omit various facts about it, turn suicide into a unthinkable taboo. (You can talk about as long as you're going to 'seek help').
Lastly but not least, the talk about "Suicide Prevention". Preventing suicide is not the same as helping someone. You're taking away their tools, but you're leaving people with their suffering.

As some users said once: Most people in this forum are in therapy, were in therapy. Same with medications.

However they seems to not realize when their techniques are simply not working. Why insist on blaming the patient? We are the ill, they are supposed to be the professionals, it's not fair that we pay so much to do mostly all the work for them.
Some may recover, some may not, but we will never know if the ones that recovered were in fact due to therapy/psychiatry

Also there is the ward which every day I only see terrible treatments, experiences that not in few cases, make someone even worse.

The talk goes on and on. Better treatments, managing our pain, constant communication and assistance to the suicidal must be done.

They talk as if it's not their fault ...

They always blame social media LMAO. I don't use any and i'm still suicidal as fuck.

 

[pento]

This is great data, and I love the discussion. Thanks for posting. Here's my takeaways. Please challenge my statistics if you think I'm wrong.

Thanks for your corrections, and indeed the numbers are still very tragic either way.

 

[Dear Agony]

I disagree with those statistics tho. A lot of those people wouldn't take N if that was offered to them. A lot of people choose non lethal methods *because* they aren't lethal, not because they don't have access to lethal ones. I'm not trying to be mean and I'm NOT saying it is a bad thing or offending these people, but a lot of them do it for attention or as a cry for help, or simply because they think that's what they want but it isn't. The fact most of them never attempt again is just proof.
Now, I do agree we live in hell though. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any statistics to begin with.
And I also agree suicide statistics would be way higher if everyone had the rightful access to die/to N btw. Just not that high in specific.

 

[Marktheghost]

Life is Hell

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

The conclusion is obviously wrong, but very cool work.

 

[Amumu]

I disagree with those statistics tho. A lot of those people wouldn't take N if that was offered to them. A lot of people choose non lethal methods *because* they aren't lethal, not because they don't have access to lethal ones. I'm not trying to be mean and I'm NOT saying it is a bad thing or offending these people, but a lot of them do it for attention or as a cry for help, or simply because they think that's what they want but it isn't. The fact most of them never attempt again is just proof.
Now, I do agree we live in hell though. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any statistics to begin with.
And I also agree suicide statistics would be way higher if everyone had the rightful access to die/to N btw. Just not that high in specific.

And also I don't understand the link between "70% of people who attempt suicide only do it once" and "70% of people who attempt suicide every year are new ones"

Logical error.

 

[FuneralCry]

There is so much pain and suffering in this world. It is true that we are living in hell. There is no limit as to how bad things can get either, if you think you have it bad now it can get so much worse. At least in my case wanting suicide is perfectly rational, it is the only thing that makes sense. It is certainly understandable how so many people want to escape this world.

 

[ShatteredReality]

So if you're entering high school, assuming these statistics, you will graduate with 68.3% of your class if every attempt is successful.

School wide assembly:

"Everyone look to the person to your left and the person to your right..."

 

[PassingThrough]

Does the statistic on suicide attempts include cases like people who took like 20 pills of Paracetamol? If so then it is heavily inflated. These cases shouldn't be considered actual suicide attempts but rather suicidal gestures, self-harm, a call for help, etc. Just like if I punch someone you wouldn't call that "attempted murder" (even though there is a tiny chance of the person dying from that), you shouldn't call these cases "attempted suicides".

 

[Blue_mist]

One of the greatest posts I have ever read. Governments don't want to understand how stressful life is. We live like non stop running machines. The modern life requirements are beyond our ability and we spend our lives just to fulfill these requirements. Academic pressure, financial insecurity, taxes, traffic jams, lack of family bonding and so on. Simply we are not equipped to live with such stressors. What's the point of taking suicidal individual to psych ward or ask them to call hotline for support if the reason why people want to die not carefully looked at.
I wish i lived in the stone living in a cave and covering my ass with animals fur.

 

[9BBN]

And also I don't understand the link between "70% of people who attempt suicide only do it once" and "70% of people who attempt suicide every year are new ones"

Logical error.

Choosing easy numbers for clarity. Suppose 10 people attempt ctb every year, and 70% of attempters never attempt again. This would mean a max of 3 people from last year would attempt again this year, meaning at least 7 out of 10 attempters this year are not from last year ("70% of people who attempt are new ones"). Now, it's possible that some members of this group of 7 come from the group of attempters 2+ years ago who did not attempt last year, but I believe the assumption being made is that this carry over is low. We know there has to be some baseline number of new attempters every year. We also know those who attempt again will likely attempt many more times, which means if there is a repeat attempter 2+ years ago, they probably also attempted last year and were already excluded from the group of 7.