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Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if it was quick/if any pain was involved?
 
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Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if it was quick/if any pain was involved?
Judging by his arms position, It seems like it was not totally painless. But I feel like it was worth it.
 
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Judging by his arms position, It seems like it was not totally painless. But I feel like it was worth it.
Not sure if arm position says anything about pain. Electrocutions make your muscles contract, so it makes sense that his arms cramp together like that
 
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Not sure if arm position says anything about pain. Electrocutions make your muscles contract, so it makes sense that his arms cramp together like that
But you feel it for some time. I have read that after the heart has stopped, one would be consciousness for about 10-20 seconds.
 
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Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if it was quick/if any pain was involved?
People who was shocked in the heart by their pacemaker said it was very painful. Still, this method has something very appealing to me.
 
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Seems risky. Death row inmates get current and voltages much higher ("electric chair" method) and it takes a while to kill them, (and not peacefully).
 
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Seems risky. Death row inmates get current and voltages much higher ("electric chair" method) and it takes a while to kill them, (and not peacefully).
In the electric chair, electrodes are connected to the head. The skull most likely has a higher resistance than the rib cage, so a higher voltage is required.

Besides, I was thinking about the electric chair, why they did not chose the method of this guy, and I have the impression that they had chosen the electric chair not because it's more effective, but because it allows to sell more costly stuff at public expense.
 
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In the electric chair, electrodes are connected to the head. The skull most likely has a higher resistance than the rib cage, so a higher voltage is required.

Besides, I was thinking about the electric chair, why they did not chose the method of this guy, and I have the impression that they had chosen the electric chair not because it's more effective, but because it allows to sell more costly stuff at public expense.
The point of the electric chair and lethal injection is suffering. If they could get away with making you swallow Lego until you died, they would.
 
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Seems risky. Death row inmates get current and voltages much higher ("electric chair" method) and it takes a while to kill them, (and not peacefully).
What can go wrong with this in your opinion? For me it seems less risky than most (if not all) other popular and accessible methods. It will not hurt your brain untill it hurts your heart enough so it stops pumping blood. I had a conversation with cardiologist recently and he said he never read about a case when the heart spontaneously recovers from the cardiac arrest due to an electrical shock, and that it occurs very rarely in cases when cardiac arrest was not due to an electrical shock.
 
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Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if it was quick/if any pain was involved?
New information from peacemaker users:
Electric shock to the heart can or cannot hurt depending on electrical power going through it.
34 joules – not felt at all.
5 joules is felt and perceived as a surprising shock, with chest compression and a creating a sound.
10 joules is probably the worst of all.
So I think to get as many joules as possible it would be useful to connect wires not directly to the skin, but to the cotton pad or some sponge soaked in salt water (as like in the electric chair method they use a sponge and a salt water).


Also I think it makes sense to tape the wires to the both sides of the chest, like in defibrillator use, so to be as far from backbone as possible.

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Also I think it makes sense to tape the wires to the both sides of the chest, like in defibrillator use, so to be as far from backbone as possible.
New information. A cardiologist said that "front and back" electrodes position is better and is used in hospital. Standard position (as in the picture above) just is less time consuming to access.
 
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Would this be possible to do with every day objects? Chargers, plug in sockets etc.?
 
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Would this be possible to do with every day objects? Chargers, plug in sockets etc.?
Yes, that's how he did it. Just cleared the wires from the braid (2.5 cm) and twisted them.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if it was quick/if any pain was involved?
Article says there were signs of rapid death.

Would this be possible to do with every day objects? Chargers, plug in sockets etc.?
That's more details from the article: An electrical plug with a two-core flat wire in white vinyl insulation is inserted into one of the surge protector sockets. The wire cores are flexible, multi-wire, copper. Each core has its own insulation in blue and brown colors. The outer insulation of the wire is removed over 30 cm from the free end. The wire strands in the area of the ends are exposed in sections 2.5 cm long; the copper wire fibers that make them up are longitudinally twisted.
 
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Yes, that's how he did it. Just cleared the wires from the braid (2.5 cm) and twisted them.


Article says there were signs of rapid death.


That's more details from the article: An electrical plug with a two-core flat wire in white vinyl insulation is inserted into one of the surge protector sockets. The wire cores are flexible, multi-wire, copper. Each core has its own insulation in blue and brown colors. The outer insulation of the wire is removed over 30 cm from the free end. The wire strands in the area of the ends are exposed in sections 2.5 cm long; the copper wire fibers that make them up are longitudinally twisted.
Thank you, I'll look into this as a potentional ctb method.
 
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I am thinking of taking Metamizole + Ibuprofen prior to electrocution. In my country I can get them without prescription. Any thoughts?
 
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So many ways to die; So few reasons to live. This isn't it.
 
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The article does not say exactly what kind of scotch was used, it says that it was translucent. I think it's better to use fiberglass scotch because it's not flammable. Just ordered one.
 
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Seems risky. Death row inmates get current and voltages much higher ("electric chair" method) and it takes a while to kill them, (and not peacefully).
A friend of mine had a husband who was a prison guard. They're pretty terrible human beings and torture inmates all the time. Wouldn't surprise me if those law & order crazies mess with the "electric chair method" to make it longer and more painful. Didn't someone do that in The Green Mile?

Human beings with unchecked power become bad human beings.
 
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I just came up with an idea of using a conductive gel between the skin and the wire, so contact will be more reliable.
 
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Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if it was quick/if any pain was involved?
Yes lots of pain is involved in firing off all the nerves between points A and B on your body. It is excruciating and you feel every second of it til you die. Unless I suppose, the current burns your nerves away before you die. If you've ever spent time looking at morbid shit, you'll see electrocutions. You can watch people writhing in pain while they are burning on fire from the amount of current, in some cases.
I just came up with an idea of using a conductive gel between the skin and the wire, so contact will be more reliable.
Attach the wires to needles and insert the needles into your skin to gain access to the electrolytic interior of the body.

Also get ready for a big hurtin'.
 
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It is excruciating and you feel every second of it til you die.
At least I will know I will die, not to wake up with the feeling: "and what is that all?" like with some other popular methods.
 
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At least I will know I will die, not to wake up with the feeling: "and what is that all?" like with some other popular methods.
Indeed, electrocuting your heart should be a fairly lethal method. It's your consideration to make and I see you've failed with helium already and that no doubt influences your next decisions.

Best wishes
 
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I decided to make a spiral to increse the contact area by 10 times (25 cm of bare wire instead of 2.5 cm). So it will either burn the skin less or allow for a more current.
Also on the photo a tool I used to strip the insulation from the wires, and a highly conductive gel for electrodes. Multicore copper cable.
 

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I just came up with an idea of using a conductive gel between the skin and the wire, so contact will be more reliable.
Another very interesting method. Yes, you would need to soak two sponges in saline or alkaline fluid to increase conductivity, or regular salt. No need for direct electrode skin burning, embed them within the sponge soaked in salt water. One electrode sponge directly orthogonal to the core heart muscle and a negative electrode sponge orthogonal to the positive in the back would complete the lethal circuit.

But as Aristotle (or whoever that philosopher said) - everything is poison in a high enough dose. So is a lethal shock to the heart with no pain, at the correct current and voltage (and waveform).

Another non-obvious, unique, and bespoke method is potassium. It is widely used in animal euthanasia. A very high dose IV of potassium will result in cardiac arrest and failure within the minute, as long as you can get the IV line on a good vein or more than one vein, because one might blow it, and there will be distress and panic before sudden loss of consciousness and death after the next minute.
 
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have you been electrocuted? even by mistake? i see that this guy made the contraption to direct it at the heart. also, i don't have a pacemaker. seems like people have varying tolerances. i took a minor shock once as a kid. still here XD