Venting “A ridiculous hostility to mental health professionals” -Tantacrul.

[EmmaD]

Where to begin? Firstly this is addressed to Tantacrul and anyone who involved themself in his lame clickbait video (which actually acted as free advertising for SS….)
I started trying to watch it.. I turned off at the point he said the above statement. Because I can't even BEGIN to listen to someone who thinks hostility to the shit mental health services is "ridiculous".
HOW DARE YOU????
FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PROBABLY DRIVE MORE PEOPLE TO SUICIDE THAN ANYTHING EKSE
My first failing of mental health services.. an overdose at 15.. a doctor said 'don't do it again' and that was the extent of help I got
First experience a year later of a psychiatrist at age 16… she went out the room leaving infront of me a page open on which she described me as "a disturbing young woman" which completely messed up my self identity FOREVER.. I believed what she wrote and probably lived that role afterwards.. She also tried to tell me Jesus would help me with my mental health.. FIRST brilliant experience with MH services for me..

Second psychiatrist age 18.. flirted with me, talked about me "screwing him" and about us "making love all afternoon"..in our sessions..

Then Early 20s the GP solution to my mental health was give me as much Valium as I wanted on repeat. I took it all day and developed a lovely addiction..Don't get me wrong it was fucking amazing but probably not great for my MH.

(Going to skip a few steps as SS is seriously not big enough for me to list all the failings of my 20s and 30s…)

Diagnosed with bpd in my 40s.. put in an outreach group where a fellow member called me 'a fat fucking ginger cunt' and said she hoped I would die…the psychologist present DID NOTHING.. and even though I tried to ctb after as a result as I was told she wouldn't even get told to leave the group.. i would have to stay in therapy with the girl that said it AND talk about all my trauma infront of her.

Next the therapeutic community.. where if you did anything against the rules, it was like a court of law where other fucked up bpd members were allowed to judge you and punish you accordingly, those were the rules!!! I literally self harmed more than ever before as a result because I was bullied and disliked.(.I don't always get on with girls. )
Next back to the CMHT where I literally have a letter saying they were discharging me because although I had self harmed, it hadn't required treatment (it had required treatment..) and that I hadn't self harmed badly enough.. leaving me to think, ok I'll fucking do it worse next time! Oh! Also told the psych nurse I'd jump off a bridge and she did nothing! Didn't even phone me.
So Tantacrul.. fuck off with your saying it's 'ridiculous' and 'cult-like' to be hostile to mental health services.
And fuck off to ANYONE anti SS who says 'get professional help' seriously FUCK OFF

 

[Tuurngait]

Haha, guessing you got around to watching it!
I completely forgot he said that, absolutely ridiculous and disgusting.

My own experience with CAMHs as a teenager were both great and awful. My psychiatrists were amazing, genuinely felt like they tried to understand me and listened to what I had to say. My therapists - absolutely dogshit. Had one say in our first meeting that they "only medicate serious people," or something like that - I laughed and told him I was already medicated... the session ended right after and I never saw him again. Think I sent him a follow-up text telling him to basically go fuck himself.

 

[EmmaD]

Haha, guessing you got around to watching it!
I completely forgot he said that, absolutely ridiculous and disgusting.

My own experience with CAMHs as a teenager were both great and awful. My psychiatrists were amazing, genuinely felt like they tried to understand me and listened to what I had to say. My therapists - absolutely dogshit. Had one say in our first meeting that they "only medicate serious people," or something like that - I laughed and told him I was already medicated... the session ended right after and I never saw him again. Think I sent him a follow-up text telling him to basically go fuck himself.

I couldn't watch very much at all! All the previews of fuckwits he was going to interview were bad enough but then when he said that about mental health professionals… just no.

 

[sannoji]

Haha, guessing you got around to watching it!
I completely forgot he said that, absolutely ridiculous and disgusting.

My own experience with CAMHs as a teenager were both great and awful. My psychiatrists were amazing, genuinely felt like they tried to understand me and listened to what I had to say. My therapists - absolutely dogshit. Had one say in our first meeting that they "only medicate serious people," or something like that - I laughed and told him I was already medicated... the session ended right after and I never saw him again. Think I sent him a follow-up text telling him to basically go fuck himself.

god, camhs…. i was on their waiting list for a year and a half before literally aging out of it before they could help me. so i didn't even get to experience the service but for every positive story i hear 50 negative ones about it. so half glad i never got there and half angry that its such a joke

 

[Tuurngait]

god, camhs…. i was on their waiting list for a year and a half before literally aging out of it before they could help me. so i didn't even get to experience the service but for every positive story i hear 50 negative ones about it. so half glad i never got there and half angry that its such a joke

I got told I was only fast-tracked through it because I "seemed too bright at school and that made me worrying" or something of the sorts. Whatever that means?

I think I only even got to have those good psychiatrists because I have a family history of diagnosed mental illness, otherwise, would have just had the shitty therapists - who's to say I'd even be here right now if that happened. Probably wouldn't be with lovely comments like the one I quoted haha

It really is utter dogshit.

 

[sannoji]

I got told I was only fast-tracked through it because I "seemed too bright at school and that made me worrying" or something of the sorts. Whatever that means?

I think I only even got to have those good psychiatrists because I have a family history of diagnosed mental illness, otherwise, would have just had the shitty therapists - who's to say I'd even be here right now if that happened. Probably wouldn't be with lovely comments like the one I quoted haha

It really is utter dogshit.

yeahhh i didn't have any family history and when i called them up i mentioned my parents as a factor to why i wanted to die so bad so it's possible they just decided to not take me seriously. honestly i wouldnt know since the only communication i got was letters every six months like "are you better now? still need to be on this waiting list?". i was of course not better.

i got private therapy for a while and my therapist was good there but i'm back on waiting lists again because dissociation wasn't in her jurisdiction and apparently i need to get referred through public healthcare… fun.

it is a joke and i'm pretty sure it's only getting worse

 

[rachelo]

Where to begin? Firstly this is addressed to Tantacrul and anyone who involved themself in his lame clickbait video (which actually acted as free advertising for SS….)
I started trying to watch it.. I turned off at the point he said the above statement. Because I can't even BEGIN to listen to someone who thinks hostility to the shit mental health services is "ridiculous".
HOW DARE YOU????
FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PROBABLY DRIVE MORE PEOPLE TO SUICIDE THAN ANYTHING EKSE
My first failing of mental health services.. an overdose at 15.. a doctor said 'don't do it again' and that was the extent of help I got
First experience a year later of a psychiatrist at age 16… she went out the room leaving infront of me a page open on which she described me as "a disturbing young woman" which completely messed up my self identity FOREVER.. I believed what she wrote and probably lived that role afterwards.. She also tried to tell me Jesus would help me with my mental health.. FIRST brilliant experience with MH services for me..

Second psychiatrist age 18.. flirted with me, talked about me "screwing him" and about us "making love all afternoon"..in our sessions..

Then Early 20s the GP solution to my mental health was give me as much Valium as I wanted on repeat. I took it all day and developed a lovely addiction..Don't get me wrong it was fucking amazing but probably not great for my MH.

(Going to skip a few steps as SS is seriously not big enough for me to list all the failings of my 20s and 30s…)

Diagnosed with bpd in my 40s.. put in an outreach group where a fellow member called me 'a fat fucking ginger cunt' and said she hoped I would die…the psychologist present DID NOTHING.. and even though I tried to ctb after as a result as I was told she wouldn't even get told to leave the group.. i would have to stay in therapy with the girl that said it AND talk about all my trauma infront of her.

Next the therapeutic community.. where if you did anything against the rules, it was like a caught of law where other fucked up bpd members were allowed to judge you and punish you accordingly, those were the rules!!! I literally self harmed more than ever before as a result because I was bullied and disliked.(.I don't always get on with girls. )
Next back to the CMHT where I literally have a letter saying they were discharging me because although I had self harmed, it hadn't required treatment (it had required treatment..) and that I hadn't self harmed badly enough.. leaving me to think, ok I'll fucking do it worse next time! Oh! Also told the psych nurse I'd jump off a bridge and she did nothing! Didn't even phone me.
So Tantacrul.. fuck off with your saying it's 'ridiculous' and 'cult-like' to be hostile to mental health services.
And fuck off to ANYONE anti SS who says 'get professional help' seriously FUCK OFF

Psych therapy is just a money making racket. I've been to several of these greedy assholes and not one of them helped. I swear they're predators feeding off people with mental health problems which 99% of the time is caused by societies and governments around the world. We're all just rats in a cage ().

 

[Cryptonite]

On every topic in the world, you find someone who has ridiculous opinions. There are just too many people that you statistically cannot avoid that.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I believe his parents are in that field- so- maybe that accounts for his very biased opinion. (Not justifying it of course.)

I'm so sorry for what you went through. It sounds really unprofessional. I agree- I find it incredibly insensitive and dismissive to just ignore people's genuine grievances with the mental healthcare system informed BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES.

I do recall trying to put across the point to him- that many members here are reluctant to push people towards the 'help' out there because it has done them themselves no good- sometimes even making life worse for them. Still- it all fell on deaf ears really. It's got to make you wonder statistically- just how helpful mental healthcare is- both therapy and medication. So many people I know are still miserable- despite their treatment.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Fuck Tantacunt.

I've been here a while and I wouldn't characterise SS as being overly hostile to mental health treatment. And if I felt it was, I'd say so. People here are wary and sceptical because they've been through the whole ringer with them. I know it's made me worse. But if someone is open to it, I don't find they are discouraged.

I've been in a variety of treatment places and in every one of them a young person has died. A girl hung herself in the bathroom with her shoelaces, a guy on an outing jumped off a parking garage, a guy overdosed in one of the apartments that program clients lived in. In a psych hospital my friend works at a teenager managed to hang himself.

These aren't all that rare occurrences. Where is his outrage about that?

 

[Unwr!tten]

My first exposure to psychiatry was actually within the last year bc as a teenager, my mother gaslit me saying "you don't need help, you're life's great, nothings wrong with you."

 

[Tobacco]

Second psychiatrist age 18.. flirted with me, talked about me "screwing him" and about us "making love all afternoon"..in our sessions..

Excuse me, what the fuck?
WHAT
THE
FUUUUUUUCK

 

[Unwr!tten]

Excuse me, what the fuck?
WHAT
THE
FUUUUUUUCK

Yeeeaaahhh

 

[Unattainable666]

My sentiments exactly!!!!

 

[Goghni]

My first exposure to psychiatry was actually within the last year bc as a teenager, my mother gaslit me saying "you don't need help, you're life's great, nothings wrong with you."

Not specifically my own issue and I'm quite a bit older but the parents treating the child as the problem due to their suffering, particularly because of how it asks questions of their parenting, is how many of us, JUST GUESSING, pass a point of no return. Builds the foundation for the inability (or possibly completely valid skill from experience) to trust authority figures or services offering "help" whatever that happens to me The eventual end stage of the behaviour is the denial of cause of death and such.

 

[AerialBoundaries]

He's a pseudo-intellectual prick of a man.

 

[Pluto]

The frustration here is that a young man who appears to have led a sheltered, easy life as well as enjoying fame/fortune through his hobby is publicly lashing at communities of tormented people in distress while portraying mental health services as a silver bullet solution. His ignorance is his bliss, yet he is rewarded for spreading misinformation since a lot of these misconceptions are common amongst people without life experience. Given his contempt for us, we only empower him by cursing his name.

As for the topic, I might add my experience. All my traumas were traced to a sadistic father who was a master of emotional abuse and neglect. He skilfully feigned innocence and confusion in front of outsiders so it appeared that I was a rotten son who needed to be beaten into submission.

I increasingly isolated myself and was full of anger that I had no way of verbalising at the time. The first psychologist labelled me as 'schizoid' and noted I have a 'lack of goodwill'; that must be the technical term for a bad person. The second labelled me as autistic, which meant I had a genetic defect and Nfather could go around portraying himself as the innocent father of a mentally retarded son. No one wanted anything to do with me after that.

It took over 20 years before I built up the courage to see a psychologist again. This time, the appraisals included terms like CPTSD and possible BPD, which actually offered genuine explanations. Of course, by now I'm ageing and it's not clear if there's any point to pushing on anyway. The trouble caused by those early mental health professionals cannot be overstated, which is why I encourage people to maintain a sense of caution and do their own homework.

 

[howl pendragon]

The frustration here is that a young man who appears to have led a sheltered, easy life as well as enjoying fame/fortune through his hobby is publicly lashing at communities of tormented people in distress while portraying mental health services as a silver bullet solution.

I can even smell the whiff of privilege emanating from this middle-class white cisgender young man.

Edit: And I don't even need to watch the video.

 

[sannoji]

honestly the vibe i get from him is just… if you've never been suicidal or severely depressed, especially due to inescapable circumstances, you won't get it.

i'm a psych student and most of my classmates fall under two categories - people who have or have had mental illness and may or may not have had bad experiences in the field so seek to improve it, and then the "saviour" ones who haven't really felt that way before to my knowledge and either go in because it's interesting or because they want to help as well. i won't ascribe motives to them or assume how good of a psychologist they would be but i definitely feel safer around the people who have actually experienced it.

has tantacrul ever personally experienced the problems with current mental health services? i doubt it, with the way he glosses over those issues and says they're small. it's one of those things that, again, you probably won't fully get if you've never experienced it, but i wish he would even try to understand.

it's just so disheartening to be ignored like that. the way he seems to believe we're all either people trying to impulsively solve problems that might get fixed soon with ctb'ing, or people who get a kick out of encouraging those people. it's like he can't even fathom a life of constant pain and suffering. for the record, i've got impaired empathy, i find it very difficult to imagine how situations which i have not experienced would feel, but if you say you're suffering i'll believe you. because i have some idea of sympathy and don't seem to enjoy mischaracterising people who are in deep pain.

 

[Dot]

I believe his parents are in that field- so- maybe that accounts for his very biased opinion. (Not justifying it of course.)

N.e1 wh/ wrks in tht fld wll also knw tht thre r limtatns 2 wht m.h profssnls cn also achve -- thy wll knw hw massvly undr-fundd servcs R & wll hve 1st-hnd knwldge of th/ consqunces of tht

I.m.o mny ppl cn b helpd wth accss 2 treatmnt howevr his survivrshp bias ignres th/ fct tht mny usrs on SaSu hve alrdy accessd tht hlp -- ppl wh/ hve bn helpd b/ m.h servcs d/ nt end up on SaSu bcse therpy helpd thm

Apprntly hs wfe = c.b.t therpst or smethng bt agn c.b.t also hs massve limtatns & tht = w/o th/abse tht happns 2 othr m.h patnts in th/ systm

@sannoji @Pluto slf hve knwldge of othr methds whch r usd 2 hlp treat cptsd & dssociatn s/ cn snd u infrmatn on thse if r intrstd

 

[unnormal9]

Who?

 

[Dot]

Who?

YTber wh/ mde vdeo agnst th/ ste bt recevd mny almst 3M vws

 

[Pluto]

@sannoji @pluto slf hve knwldge of othr methds whch r usd 2 hlp treat cptsd & dssociatn s/ cn snd u infrmatn on thse if r intrstd

That sounds interesting for sure. We could probably use a thread on the topic since there's quite a few of us here.

 

[Dot]

That sounds interesting for sure. We could probably use a thread on the topic since there's quite a few of us here.

Wll try 2 srt smethng

 

[Dot]

Also

BBC News - ADHD: Private clinics exposed by BBC undercover investigation

ADHD: Private clinics exposed by BBC undercover investigation

An undercover journalist for Panorama is diagnosed and given drugs without proper checks.

www.bbc.co.uk

I went undercover to expose abuse at a mental health hospital

Alan Haslam spent three months on the wards - what he calls a frightening place for patients and staff.

www.bbc.com

 

[EmmaD]

Also

BBC News - ADHD: Private clinics exposed by BBC undercover investigation

ADHD: Private clinics exposed by BBC undercover investigation

An undercover journalist for Panorama is diagnosed and given drugs without proper checks.

www.bbc.co.uk

I went undercover to expose abuse at a mental health hospital

Alan Haslam spent three months on the wards - what he calls a frightening place for patients and staff.

www.bbc.com

Oh yes I watched the BBC one.. terrifying.

 

[sannoji]

That sounds interesting for sure. We could probably use a thread on the topic since there's quite a few of us here.

seconding this. would be nice to have it as a thread for us to support each other on it as well a bit

 

[unnormal9]

YTber wh/ mde vdeo agnst th/ ste bt recevd mny almst 3M vws

Oh that thing. The guy who's never seen the real world. I thought it dissolved two weeks ago.

 

[Linda]

Where to begin? Firstly this is addressed to Tantacrul and anyone who involved themself in his lame clickbait video (which actually acted as free advertising for SS….)
I started trying to watch it.. I turned off at the point he said the above statement. Because I can't even BEGIN to listen to someone who thinks hostility to the shit mental health services is "ridiculous".
HOW DARE YOU????
FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PROBABLY DRIVE MORE PEOPLE TO SUICIDE THAN ANYTHING EKSE
My first failing of mental health services.. an overdose at 15.. a doctor said 'don't do it again' and that was the extent of help I got
First experience a year later of a psychiatrist at age 16… she went out the room leaving infront of me a page open on which she described me as "a disturbing young woman" which completely messed up my self identity FOREVER.. I believed what she wrote and probably lived that role afterwards.. She also tried to tell me Jesus would help me with my mental health.. FIRST brilliant experience with MH services for me..

Second psychiatrist age 18.. flirted with me, talked about me "screwing him" and about us "making love all afternoon"..in our sessions..

Then Early 20s the GP solution to my mental health was give me as much Valium as I wanted on repeat. I took it all day and developed a lovely addiction..Don't get me wrong it was fucking amazing but probably not great for my MH.

(Going to skip a few steps as SS is seriously not big enough for me to list all the failings of my 20s and 30s…)

Diagnosed with bpd in my 40s.. put in an outreach group where a fellow member called me 'a fat fucking ginger cunt' and said she hoped I would die…the psychologist present DID NOTHING.. and even though I tried to ctb after as a result as I was told she wouldn't even get told to leave the group.. i would have to stay in therapy with the girl that said it AND talk about all my trauma infront of her.

Next the therapeutic community.. where if you did anything against the rules, it was like a court of law where other fucked up bpd members were allowed to judge you and punish you accordingly, those were the rules!!! I literally self harmed more than ever before as a result because I was bullied and disliked.(.I don't always get on with girls. )
Next back to the CMHT where I literally have a letter saying they were discharging me because although I had self harmed, it hadn't required treatment (it had required treatment..) and that I hadn't self harmed badly enough.. leaving me to think, ok I'll fucking do it worse next time! Oh! Also told the psych nurse I'd jump off a bridge and she did nothing! Didn't even phone me.
So Tantacrul.. fuck off with your saying it's 'ridiculous' and 'cult-like' to be hostile to mental health services.
And fuck off to ANYONE anti SS who says 'get professional help' seriously FUCK OFF

A while back I was reading about how doctors "treated" veneral diseases (mainly syphilis and gonorrhea) 200 years or so ago. They had no effective treatments for those diseases - and they knew it. But that didn't stop them making a living at their patients expense. (I read about one such doctor, a Sewdish specialist in venereal diseases, who was obviously so disillusioned by this state of affairs that he put most of his time and energy into botany instead, and actually founded a whole sub-field of botany almost single-handed.) The situation today with most mental illnesses is very similar.

Most mental illness occurs because somone's brain is not functioning the way it's supposed to function. But brains are too complicated to understand, so we don't know exactly what is happening inside them, and we can't send a guy with a spanner - or even a surgeon with a scalpel - to fix them. Its not like a broken leg or a misbehaving appendix. Usually the only tools that mental health professionals have are medications (which usually do no more than cover up symptoms; they don't actually fix anything) or some kind of talk therapy (which has only limited success). Mental health professionals know all this, but fear that if they actually say it they might reduce their professional status - and their income. Patients would be better served if the professionals were honest about the limits of what they can accomplish, and patients would be served even better if the professionals stopped pretending that they are superior and know everything.

 

[EmmaD]

A while back I was reading about how doctors "treated" veneral diseases (mainly syphilis and gonorrhea) 200 years or so ago. They had no effective treatments for those diseases - and they knew it. But that didn't stop them making a living at their patients expense. (I read about one such doctor, a Sewdish specialist in venereal diseases, who was obviously so disillusiond by this state of affairs that he put most of his time and energy into botany instead, and actually founded a whole sub-field of botany almost single-handed.) The situation today with most mental illnesses is very similar.

Most mental illness occurs because somone's brain is not functioning the way it's supposed to function. But brains are too complicated to understand, so we don't know exactly what is happening inside them, and we can't send a guy with a spanner - or even a surgeon with a scalpel - to fix them. It's not like a broken leg or a misbehaving appendix. Usually the only tools that mental health professionals have are medications (which usually do no more than cover up symptoms; they don't actually fix anything) or some kind of talk therapy (which has only limited success). Mental health professionals know all this, but fear that if they actually say it they might reduce their professional status - and their income. Patients would be better served if the professionals were honest about the limits of what they can accomplish, and patients would be served even better if the professionals stopped pretending that they are superior and know everything.

YES!!! I completely agree with this. When I was in the TC last year we all seemed to spend most of our time asking the therapists about how the treatment was meant to help our personality disorders and all we got was politician's answers from therapists, never an honest reply that it might never help… which is the truth.
The whole mental health system is like The Emporer's New Clothes.. all the profession pretending help exists and works.. maybe some of them even believing it. But SS is where people come who have seen the truth.. that problems with the mind are too often insurmountable.