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WoodyOak

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Apr 28, 2020
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A question that I`m sure I can find the answer to on this forum...
Say someone I know goes to a psychiatrist and they ask them if they want to `snuff it` and they tell them yes, that they`re sick and tired of being tired, that they see no reason for their existence, that they don`t give a flying fuck anymore and just want to end it, will they notify the authorities and take them away in a straight white vest for their own good?
If it makes a difference to the laws concerning this, they`re in the USA in a major metropolitain city.
 
jodes2

jodes2

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Aug 28, 2022
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No, normally they only take actions like that if the person expresses a plan of action to harm themselves, and don't express that they have anything that will stop them. The psychiatrist should ask what plans a person has to actually take their life. If it's non-lethal methods, because the person has a fear of pain, or strong SI, they'll probably just ignore it. But if the person expresses a desire to do something really dangerous, like jump, OD, or jump from a train, they probably will section the person. They'll make a judgement on how serious the person is about doing something dangerous. They should ask, "do you have anything that will prevent you from doing it, like fears of death or fears of hurting family" etc
 
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littlelady774

littlelady774

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Dec 20, 2018
708
I always just lie and say no if they ask if I have plans to ctb.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

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Jul 23, 2022
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If you mention suicide at all, be sure to strongly deny that you have any intention to carry it out.
 
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WoodyOak

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Apr 28, 2020
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That`s what I was thinking that if their way out would include a way that others were harmed in the act that would be the deciding factor if the Po-Po would be called in.
Thanks everyone for the input :)
 
Rainy_days

Rainy_days

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Dec 21, 2022
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Yeah echoing the above, they will usually ask explicitly "do you have a plan to act on these thoughts"? That is the red line that will get you committed if you answer yes. Assuming you are not acting violent and out of control.
 
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yyytry

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Sep 8, 2022
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Found a new therapist recently and I straight up opened with my chronic suicidality bc I'm sick of hiding that shit. Only thing is, I said I don't want the cops involved to use it as an excuse to exert their brutality methods (which I've already suffered thru).

Idk if this path will yield diff results. But tired of hiding it.
 
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CowsAgainstCapitali

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Dec 11, 2022
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I was arrested three times in 2019. Once for totally cool law breaking and twice for being careless with my words. I honestly don't know how else being handcuffed, locked in a (absolutely filthy) back seat can be described, because the responding law enforcement's handling of me in these unrelated incidents was identical. Trying to be objective, I can understand the reasoning behind using law enforcement to contain a suicidal individual. "These are the people trained to deal with tense shit, call them to handle it." The logic is there. The unfortunate effect this has folks who think the way I do/see the world the way I do (and thus more likely to desire leaving it!) is we already have little to no trust in law enforcement because they are the natural enemy of free will, and Mandatory Reporting reinforces that mindset. When medical professionals, who are the natural ally of human thriving collaborate with law enforcement, our trust in them is lessened, perhaps even lost entirely.

Sorry I'm getting a little off point. The short answer is yes, any health provider is a Mandatory Reporter (school teachers, etc. are too) and are required by law to report certain things including suicidal ideation.

So nowadays, I make sure my provider and I get on the same page immediately. I tell them what happened (regarding police) and why that doesn't work for me and then I tell them why. I will tell them that I'm going to push them to gauge how much pushback they give. I have vocally said to more than one mental health professional "I'm going to say a few things that I don't actually mean to see where your line is." I need to see at what point I "cross the line" with that person. I want to observe their reactions to the things I have to say, frankly so I can decide if they're qualified to provide mental health treatment to me or not. This takes a degree of arrogance and ego on my part. "Are you good enough to be my doctor? Because I am very smart and charming and attractive and I know you know it, so if you're an Emotional Weakling™, please do let me know so I can move on." It feels good to feel like they need to prove their worthiness. I want to give them a wide range of samples of my personality and see what they do with it. The desired outcome is they realize exactly what I'm doing, which includes both intimately understanding understanding my words AND the subtle facial gestures and body language. I want them to wonder why I paused for 3 seconds instead of the usual 5, because yes it does matter. And once they've got a good feel for my person, I can finally talk about suicide in a productive manner. At that point they can differentiate between words and intents.

I built a strong relationship with my previous therapist and was fortunate enough to get in person visits even during Covid height. I felt borderline inappropriate a few times, but you know what? Once that barrier is dropped, you can actually communicate for reals. Without honest communication, therapy is useless.
 
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Hollowman

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Dec 14, 2021
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Tell them to try anything and everything and see a psychiatrist last. Psychiatry's dangerous.
 
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