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I don't have access to many resources, so I'm trying to ctb in the most accessible way but I'm worried about it's efficiency.

I've decided to go with a purposely induced shallow water black out. (You basically force yourself to hyperventilate until passing out in a pool of water. Specifically for me it'll probably be a bathtub) But I'm not confident about my ability to pass out so I decided to use helium to help with that part.

I've discovered that a little bit of helium goes a long way for me when it comes to blacking out completely. Is this a silly method? I'm not entirely sure what else I could consider, but it seems like it would work decently.
 
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This is probably the easiest way to do it. But only do so if you are really sure you want to ctb.

Also, don't inhale stuff too often as you can build up brain damage over time.
 
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I could be wrong, but something you might want to think about, as you don't want to end up with the same problems you have now but compounded by horrible physical damage.

Maybe I'm just not understanding what you are proposing here.

You use helium to pass out, then how would you drown? You can't remove the helium when you are passed out - if you just inhale a few times, I don't think you are going to remain unconscious when the helium is removed.

Have you tried hyperventilating? Everyone who I have seen pass out from hyperventilating wakes up in just a few seconds.

The idea behind SWB is not that you hyperventilate and black out then drown. That's not what shallow water blackout is. You would hyperventilate, remain conscious, then hold your breath under water. The idea being that the hyperventilation does not trigger you to want to breathe while you are underwater, and then hopefully you pass out from holding your breath for too long.

At least, that's what free dive blacking out is and it's what the SWB method is based on, so it's a flawed method. Free divers do hyperventilate, and do black out, but it is a result of many different physiological effects - one of them being the decompression of the lungs as the diver moves from deeper water to shallower water, This combined with extremely long breath-holding is what makes them pass out.

I think the mega thread for SWB was closed because the entire idea is based on a faulty premise. You can't hyperventilate, pass out, and then just drown. You will wake up immediately and from what I've read on here from people who've drowned and lived, it is far from a painless or pleasant experience.
 
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I do not understand this method, but good luck!
I could be wrong, but something you might want to think about, as you don't want to end up with the same problems you have now but compounded by horrible physical damage.

Maybe I'm just not understanding what you are proposing here.

You use helium to pass out, then how would you drown? You can't remove the helium when you are passed out - if you just inhale a few times, I don't think you are going to remain unconscious when the helium is removed.

Have you tried hyperventilating? Everyone who I have seen pass out from hyperventilating wakes up in just a few seconds.

The idea behind SWB is not that you hyperventilate and black out then drown. That's not what shallow water blackout is. You would hyperventilate, remain conscious, then hold your breath under water. The idea being that the hyperventilation does not trigger you to want to breathe while you are underwater, and then hopefully you pass out from holding your breath for too long.

At least, that's what free dive blacking out is and it's what the SWB method is based on, so it's a flawed method. Free divers do hyperventilate, and do black out, but it is a result of many different physiological effects - one of them being the decompression of the lungs as the diver moves from deeper water to shallower water, This combined with extremely long breath-holding is what makes them pass out.

I think the mega thread for SWB was closed because the entire idea is based on a faulty premise. You can't hyperventilate, pass out, and then just drown. You will wake up immediately and from what I've read on here from people who've drowned and lived, it is far from a painless or pleasant experience.
This seems horribly complicated
 
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I don't have access to many resources, so I'm trying to ctb in the most accessible way but I'm worried about it's efficiency.

I've decided to go with a purposely induced shallow water black out. (You basically force yourself to hyperventilate until passing out in a pool of water. Specifically for me it'll probably be a bathtub) But I'm not confident about my ability to pass out so I decided to use helium to help with that part.

I've discovered that a little bit of helium goes a long way for me when it comes to blacking out completely. Is this a silly method? I'm not entirely sure what else I could consider, but it seems like it would work decently.
I'd be very careful with this method as it puts alot of trust in that you would be unconscious long enough to drown. I myself have been drowned before and it is by no means painless and was an absolutely terrifying experience, you do not want to come to mid drowning. Please take care and make sure you know what you are doing or what could happen.
 
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I don't have access to many resources, so I'm trying to ctb in the most accessible way but I'm worried about it's efficiency.

I've decided to go with a purposely induced shallow water black out. (You basically force yourself to hyperventilate until passing out in a pool of water.
Hyperventilating until passing out is a bad method, because even if you succeed at fainting, your syncope will be just temporary. Overbreathing reduces the amount of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream, that causes hypocapnia which leads to constriction of cerebral blood vessels and poor delivery of oxygen to the brain. After overbreathing is stopped, your CO2 level goes back to normal (because your cells continue to produce carbon dioxide), and then your brain gets enough oxygen for normal functioning again.

The SWB method relies on reducing O2 in the bloodstream to the point of blackout before CO2 is accumulated to high levels that cause strong urge to breathe or sense of suffocation. Hyperventilation allows you to hold your breath for a longer period, because transition from hypocapnia (lack of CO2) to normocapnia (normal CO2 level) and then to hypercapnia (excess of CO2) takes more time than transition from normocapnia to hypercapnia, so it's possible to consume a large amount of oxygen during long breath holding without experiencing the feeling of air hunger.

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But I'm not confident about my ability to pass out so I decided to use helium to help with that part.
I think that hyperventilation is not needed in case if you breathe helium. When you displace oxygen from your lungs by filling their volume with helium, low partial pressure of O2 in the lungs leads to the inverse flow of oxygen from the bloodstream into the lungs' volume. Then your blood rapidly loses oxygen, so that the blood oxygen saturation drops to the levels at which maintaining consciousness becomes difficult or impossible. Therefore, your goal is to remove as much oxygen from the bloodstream as possible. This can be done by a series of deep exhales and deep inhales of helium or other asphyxiant gas. One cycle of exhale+inhale per 5 - 10 seconds should suffice.
I've discovered that a little bit of helium goes a long way for me when it comes to blacking out completely.
If you have troubles with passing out in 20 - 40 seconds, then it's likely that either your helium is mixed with oxygen or your breathing technique is wrong. In order to achieve complete blackout ASAP, as much air as possible should be exhaled in each exhalation and deep inhalations of helium should be preferred. Shallow breaths with helium are less efficient. Personally, I'd rather use culinary nitrous oxide instead of helium. Nitrous has additional sedative and analgesic effect, and I think that a food-grade liquified gas is never mixed with oxygen in any somewhat significant proportion (due to various technical problems that would arise when storing such a mixture in chargers and using it in cream dispensers).
Is this a silly method? I'm not entirely sure what else I could consider, but it seems like it would work decently.
I think, it's a great method. Simple, accessible, highly reliable (in the absence of potential rescuers), little to no discomfort (if water is not cold).

You use helium to pass out, then how would you drown?
Passing out doesn't happen immediately. There is a latent period during which you feel yourself normally, then your consciousness gradually fades out for a few seconds till full unconsciousness occurs. When you feel the onset of impending fainting, you can submerge while holding your breath.
if you just inhale a few times, I don't think you are going to remain unconscious when the helium is removed.
Helium is not needed to maintain unconsciousness that was already induced by insufficient oxygen level in the blood. The role of helium is to remove a significant amount of oxygen from the bloodstream by means of creating low partial pressure of O2 in the lungs. Once you reached critically low level of O2 in the blood and passed out, your chances to wake up without inhaling fresh oxygen should be very low. And even if this happens somehow, your consciousness and sensitivity to unpleasant stimuli would likely be severely reduced in relation to what you have in your normal conscious state, and the next blackout should occur a few seconds later because you already have profound hypoxia and further oxygen consumption by the body makes it more profound.
 
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I could be wrong, but something you might want to think about, as you don't want to end up with the same problems you have now but compounded by horrible physical damage.

Maybe I'm just not understanding what you are proposing here.

You use helium to pass out, then how would you drown? You can't remove the helium when you are passed out - if you just inhale a few times, I don't think you are going to remain unconscious when the helium is removed.

Have you tried hyperventilating? Everyone who I have seen pass out from hyperventilating wakes up in just a few seconds.

The idea behind SWB is not that you hyperventilate and black out then drown. That's not what shallow water blackout is. You would hyperventilate, remain conscious, then hold your breath under water. The idea being that the hyperventilation does not trigger you to want to breathe while you are underwater, and then hopefully you pass out from holding your breath for too long.

At least, that's what free dive blacking out is and it's what the SWB method is based on, so it's a flawed method. Free divers do hyperventilate, and do black out, but it is a result of many different physiological effects - one of them being the decompression of the lungs as the diver moves from deeper water to shallower water, This combined with extremely long breath-holding is what makes them pass out.

I think the mega thread for SWB was closed because the entire idea is based on a faulty premise. You can't hyperventilate, pass out, and then just drown. You will wake up immediately and from what I've read on here from people who've drowned and lived, it is far from a painless or pleasant experience.
Really? Thanks, this is another perspective to consider. I don't think I did enough research when it comes to the correlation between SWB and divers. I would like to respond to your other points, but I don't think I have enough knowledge to do so. I'm not confident about the method myself so I needed input😭 The other person in the thread has a reply that may be helpful!
I'd be very careful with this method as it puts alot of trust in that you would be unconscious long enough to drown. I myself have been drowned before and it is by no means painless and was an absolutely terrifying experience, you do not want to come to mid drowning. Please take care and make sure you know what you are doing or what could happen.
I will be careful! Sorry you had to go through such a painful experience
I do not understand this method, but good luck!

This seems horribly complicated
It does😭
Hyperventilating until passing out is a bad method, because even if you succeed at fainting, your syncope will be just temporary. Overbreathing reduces the amount of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream, that causes hypocapnia which leads to constriction of cerebral blood vessels and poor delivery of oxygen to the brain. After overbreathing is stopped, your CO2 level goes back to normal (because your cells continue to produce carbon dioxide), and then your brain gets enough oxygen for normal functioning again.

The SWB method relies on reducing O2 in the bloodstream to the point of blackout before CO2 is accumulated to high levels that cause strong urge to breathe or sense of suffocation. Hyperventilation allows you to hold your breath for a longer period, because transition from hypocapnia (lack of CO2) to normocapnia (normal CO2 level) and then to hypercapnia (excess of CO2) takes more time than transition from normocapnia to hypercapnia, so it's possible to consume a large amount of oxygen during long breath holding without experiencing the feeling of air hunger.

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I think that hyperventilation is not needed in case if you breathe helium. When you displace oxygen from your lungs by filling their volume with helium, low partial pressure of O2 in the lungs leads to the inverse flow of oxygen from the bloodstream into the lungs' volume. Then your blood rapidly loses oxygen, so that the blood oxygen saturation drops to the levels at which maintaining consciousness becomes difficult or impossible. Therefore, your goal is to remove as much oxygen from the bloodstream as possible. This can be done by a series of deep exhales and deep inhales of helium or other asphyxiant gas. One cycle of exhale+inhale per 5 - 10 seconds should suffice.

If you have troubles with passing out in 20 - 40 seconds, then it's likely that either your helium is mixed with oxygen or your breathing technique is wrong. In order to achieve complete blackout ASAP, as much air as possible should be exhaled in each exhalation and deep inhalations of helium should be preferred. Shallow breaths with helium are less efficient. Personally, I'd rather use culinary nitrous oxide instead of helium. Nitrous has additional sedative and analgesic effect, and I think that it's never mixed with oxygen in any somewhat signification proportion (due to various technical problems that would arise when storing such a mixture in chargers and using it in cream dispensers).

I think, it's a great method. Simple, accessible, highly reliable (in the absence of potential rescuers), little to no discomfort (if water is not cold).


Passing out doesn't happen immediately. There is a latent period during which you feel yourself normally, then your consciousness gradually fades out for a few seconds till full unconsciousness occurs. When you feel the onset of impending fainting, you can submerge holding your breath.

Helium is not needed to maintain unconsciousness that was already induced by insufficient oxygen level in the blood. The role of helium is to remove a significant amount of oxygen from the bloodstream by means of creating low partial pressure of O2 in the lungs. Once you reached critically low level of O2 in the blood and passed out, your chances to wake up without inhaling fresh oxygen should be very low. And even if this happens somehow, your consciousness and sensitivity to unpleasant stimuli would likely be severely reduced in relation to what you have in your normal conscious state, and the next blackout should occur a few seconds later because you already have profound hypoxia and further oxygen consumption by the body makes it more profound.
I see! Thank you for your knowledge, I have a question though. When it comes to the cycle of breathing the helium in are you saying that there will be enough time to hold my breath underwater before falling unconscious? Just to make sure I understand your message, if you only had helium could you explain how you'd go about doing this?
 
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When it comes to the cycle of breathing the helium in are you saying that there will be enough time to hold my breath underwater before falling unconscious?
I wouldn't be quite sure about that. You can lose voluntary control over your muscles (and breathing in particular) shortly before complete blackout occurs. Then automatic breathing could lead to aspiration of water into the airways a few seconds before unconsciousness is achieved, but I guess that you wouldn't care about this much because of the numbness that comes along with the loss of control.
Just to make sure I understand your message, if you only had helium could you explain how you'd go about doing this?
In case of choosing drowning in a bathtub while having a lot of helium at my disposal, I'd sit in water on the knees, exhale maximally, then inhale as much helium as I can, then hold my breath for 5 seconds, then exhale maximally and inhale as much helium as I can again, then hold my breath for another 5 seconds, etc, until the onset of symptoms (fading of consciousness, tinnitus) occurs. When consciousness starts to fade out, I'd plug my nose, submerge face down, possibly exhale some portion of gas in order to reduce buoyancy (if there is too much gas in the lungs), and wait till blackout. It's also possible to attach some weights to the neck beforehand in order to ensure reliable submerging after loss of consciousness.

I think, if you pass out from gas asphyxiation (using a proper breathing technique) at least once, it would be pretty obvious for you how this thing can be used to drown yourself unconsciously.
 
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I wouldn't be quite sure about that. You can lose voluntary control over your muscles (and breathing in particular) shortly before complete blackout occurs. Then automatic breathing could lead to aspiration of water into the airways a few seconds before unconsciousness is achieved, but I guess that you wouldn't care about this much because of the numbness that comes along with the loss of control.

In case of choosing drowning in a bathtub while having a lot of helium at my disposal, I'd sit in water on the knees, exhale maximally, then inhale as much helium as I can, then hold my breath for 5 seconds, then exhale maximally and inhale as much helium as I can again, then hold my breath for another 5 seconds, etc, until the onset of symptoms (fading of consciousness, tinnitus) occurs. When consciousness starts to fade out, I'd plug my nose, submerge face down, possibly exhale some portion of gas in order to reduce buoyancy (if there is too much gas in the lungs), and wait till blackout. It's also possible to attach some weights to the neck beforehand in order to ensure reliable submerging after loss of consciousness.

I think, if you pass out from gas asphyxiation (using a proper breathing technique) at least once, it would be pretty obvious for you how this thing can be used to drown yourself unconsciously.
Got you, this makes sense thank you for helping! 🤗
 
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A body of water without currents like a remote lake might be preferable to a bathtub because of hypoxic seizures. I'm not too sure though. I plan to use a similar method if/when I CTB (either rent a room at an apartment hotel and use the bathtub or do it in a remote lake without currents).
 
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A body of water without currents like a remote lake might be preferable to a bathtub because of hypoxic seizures. I'm not too sure though. I plan to use a similar method if/when I CTB (either rent an apartment and use the bathtub or do it in a remote lake without currents).
I just had to go look up hypoxic seizures, you make a really good point. Thanks. I hope you either recover or achieve your goal with no pain (pick whichever you want lol)
 
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I just had to go look up hypoxic seizures, you make a really good point. Thanks. I hope you either recover or achieve your goal with no pain (pick whichever you want lol)
I don't know if the seizures would be strong enough to flip you over, or if they would cause your head to become unsubmerged even with weights, but better safe than sorry. Even if there's a slim chance, I don't want to risk it. The downside of going with a lake though is that there's a risk of people seeing and trying to rescue you. If you can find a remote enough area, though, then at least the risk can be significantly mitigated.

I probably won't manage to recover, but there's always a chance, I guess.

Edit: I forgot to mention that another upside of the lake is that if you somehow regain consciousness briefly (e.g. through a combination of vasodilatory response and laryngospasm), you won't be able to resurface as easily (though, again, probably a slim chance).
 
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A couple more things I should mention: I am not going to go any deeper than ~7-10 feet because beyond a certain depth, the deeper you go, the higher the chance of regaining consciousness (because of greater partial pressure of O2 at depth).

And I'm going to use a weighted vest to prevent resurfacing.
 
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A couple more things I should mention: I am not going to go any deeper than ~7-10 feet because beyond a certain depth, the deeper you go, the higher the chance of regaining consciousness (because of greater partial pressure of O2 at depth).

And I'm going to use a weighted vest to prevent resurfacing.
That makes lots of sense!
 
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Hyperventilating until passing out is a bad method, because even if you succeed at fainting, your syncope will be just temporary. Overbreathing reduces the amount of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream, that causes hypocapnia which leads to constriction of cerebral blood vessels and poor delivery of oxygen to the brain. After overbreathing is stopped, your CO2 level goes back to normal (because your cells continue to produce carbon dioxide), and then your brain gets enough oxygen for normal functioning again.

The SWB method relies on reducing O2 in the bloodstream to the point of blackout before CO2 is accumulated to high levels that cause strong urge to breathe or sense of suffocation. Hyperventilation allows you to hold your breath for a longer period, because transition from hypocapnia (lack of CO2) to normocapnia (normal CO2 level) and then to hypercapnia (excess of CO2) takes more time than transition from normocapnia to hypercapnia, so it's possible to consume a large amount of oxygen during long breath holding without experiencing the feeling of air hunger.

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I think that hyperventilation is not needed in case if you breathe helium. When you displace oxygen from your lungs by filling their volume with helium, low partial pressure of O2 in the lungs leads to the inverse flow of oxygen from the bloodstream into the lungs' volume. Then your blood rapidly loses oxygen, so that the blood oxygen saturation drops to the levels at which maintaining consciousness becomes difficult or impossible. Therefore, your goal is to remove as much oxygen from the bloodstream as possible. This can be done by a series of deep exhales and deep inhales of helium or other asphyxiant gas. One cycle of exhale+inhale per 5 - 10 seconds should suffice.

If you have troubles with passing out in 20 - 40 seconds, then it's likely that either your helium is mixed with oxygen or your breathing technique is wrong. In order to achieve complete blackout ASAP, as much air as possible should be exhaled in each exhalation and deep inhalations of helium should be preferred. Shallow breaths with helium are less efficient. Personally, I'd rather use culinary nitrous oxide instead of helium. Nitrous has additional sedative and analgesic effect, and I think that a food-grade liquified gas is never mixed with oxygen in any somewhat significant proportion (due to various technical problems that would arise when storing such a mixture in chargers and using it in cream dispensers).

I think, it's a great method. Simple, accessible, highly reliable (in the absence of potential rescuers), little to no discomfort (if water is not cold).


Passing out doesn't happen immediately. There is a latent period during which you feel yourself normally, then your consciousness gradually fades out for a few seconds till full unconsciousness occurs. When you feel the onset of impending fainting, you can submerge while holding your breath.

Helium is not needed to maintain unconsciousness that was already induced by insufficient oxygen level in the blood. The role of helium is to remove a significant amount of oxygen from the bloodstream by means of creating low partial pressure of O2 in the lungs. Once you reached critically low level of O2 in the blood and passed out, your chances to wake up without inhaling fresh oxygen should be very low. And even if this happens somehow, your consciousness and sensitivity to unpleasant stimuli would likely be severely reduced in relation to what you have in your normal conscious state, and the next blackout should occur a few seconds later because you already have profound hypoxia and further oxygen consumption by the body makes it more profound.
hey! would it be possible to make this method more portable, by taping your mouth and nose shut, after completing the hyperventilation?
Secondly, should the last breath after the hyperventilating be breath-in or out?
It is your brainstem doing the breathing while you're out, right? will it try to force breathing only to a certain point, or would other reactions occur if your mouth+nose is blocked?

Having this method more portably accessible, would be appreciated.
 
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hey! would it be possible to make this method more portable, by taping your mouth and nose shut, after completing the hyperventilation?
Secondly, should the last breath after the hyperventilating be breath-in or out?
It is your brainstem doing the breathing while you're out, right? will it try to force breathing only to a certain point, or would other reactions occur if your mouth+nose is blocked?
The basic SWB method seems too difficult to apply with the intended level of comfort, and it's not worth the hassle, in my opinion. The advanced variant of SWB that relies on inhalation of an asphyxiant gas should be easy. When using a simple asphyxiant before drowning, the last breath holding should be done with the largest possible volume of the gas inside the lungs, because it reduces the concentrations of oxygen in the lungs to lower values.

As for CTB via gas asphyxiation without water, it can be done with a plastic bag as shown in this thread

 
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The basic SWB method seems too difficult to apply with the intended level of comfort, and it's not worth the hassle, in my opinion. The advanced variant of SWB that relies on inhalation of an asphyxiant gas should be easy. When using a simple asphyxiant before drowning, the last breath holding should be done with the largest possible volume of the gas inside the lungs, because it reduces the concentrations of oxygen in the lungs to lower values.

As for CTB via gas asphyxiation without water, it can be done with a plastic bag as shown in this thread

Gas wouldn't be an option for me sadly.. (also, do these helium balloon gas things on amazon come with oxygen mixed into them?)

regardless, would something like mouth/ nose taping work, after you've gone unconscious due to lack of oxygen?
 
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