A peaceful suicide would solve everything

[FuneralCry]

This is the truth, the fact is that a peaceful suicide would solve everything in life and it would be the best outcome possible to pass away peacefully and be permanently free from this existence without having the ability to suffer and struggle in any way. Death is really the only solution when life itself is the problem. The existence of life is the real horrific thing, the fact that life continues to be brought here is so disturbing and tragic where suffering will inevitably be experienced. The fact that life exists is a cruel mistake and it's wrong to value life in any way. Humans place so much value on insignificant life which exists only to die and be forgotten about. And these false beliefs prevent others from achieving true peace which can only be achieved by leaving this world.

Life is just a pointless struggle all for no purpose that leads nowhere, such an useless concept and the idea that life could be worth enduring is centred around lies. Humans exist just to eventually deteriorate and pain is guaranteed in this process, unnecessary pain that never should be experienced and serves no purpose other than to torment beings. Only death is the true relief, where in non existence we lack the awareness that we are dead. There is simply nothing for all eternity and the non existent have no need for anything. To die solves all problems and is preferable to any kind of life, as the existence of life leads to an unlimited amount of problems which continue to be experienced as long as life exists. Everything in life is viewed as a problem to me in some way, it's a problem that I'm still breathing and are trapped here.

Having the option of a peaceful death right there prevents unnecessary struggles and fears such as the method potentially failing and pain experienced during the dying process. There would be no need for complicated suicide research and there would be no need for suicide forums to even exist, as even this suicide forum is often no different to anywhere else in this world, not even offering relief from hostile pro lifers who aim to invalidate and dismiss suffering, just contributing to the initial problem. There would be no need for any discussions about this if our peaceful death was right there for us, all those who wish to go could just die and free themselves from an existence not worth enduring and preventing decades of torment. To die really is a beautiful thing and suicide should be accepted and seen for what it really is, the ideal solution to end whatever problems this life has burdened us with.

 

[jodes2]

Fuck life

 

[Pentobarbital_Plz]

FUCK LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Need2BFree]

I admire how you are able to express your words so beautifully

 

[Ineedtodie]

If suicide were to be peaceful. I would not even grieve my suffering and show no resentment or blame or present any excuses. I will just admit that I' m unlucky and not fit for this game, and just end it.

 

[Lost Magic]

Agreed. Everybody should have the right to a peaceful death just like animals in a veterinary clinic. While I am glad that animals get valued enough to be put down when their suffering is too great, why not humans? Religion and insensitive pro-lifers are stifling progression when it comes to these issues and it is not right. We all deserve peace.

 

[eldiablo666]

N is peaceful though

 

[odradek]

This is the truth, the fact is that a peaceful suicide would solve everything in life and it would be the best outcome possible to pass away peacefully and be permanently free from this existence without having the ability to suffer and struggle in any way. Death is really the only solution when life itself is the problem. The existence of life is the real horrific thing, the fact that life continues to be brought here is so disturbing and tragic where suffering will inevitably be experienced. The fact that life exists is a cruel mistake and it's wrong to value life in any way. Humans place so much value on insignificant life which exists only to die and be forgotten about. And these false beliefs prevent others from achieving true peace which can only be achieved by leaving this world.

Life is just a pointless struggle all for no purpose that leads nowhere, such an useless concept and the idea that life could be worth enduring is centred around lies. Humans exist just to eventually deteriorate and pain is guaranteed in this process, unnecessary pain that never should be experienced and serves no purpose other than to torment beings. Only death is the true relief, where in non existence we lack the awareness that we are dead. There is simply nothing for all eternity and the non existent have no need for anything. To die solves all problems and is preferable to ANY (!) kind of life, as the existence of life leads to an unlimited amount of problems which continue to be experienced as long as life exists. Everything in life is viewed as a problem TO ME in some way, it's a problem that I'm still breathing and are trapped here.

Having the option of a peaceful death right there prevents unnecessary struggles and fears such as the method potentially failing and pain experienced during the dying process. There would be no need for complicated suicide research and there would be no need for suicide forums to even exist, as even this suicide forum is often no different to anywhere else in this world, not even offering relief from hostile pro lifers who aim to invalidate and dismiss suffering, just contributing to the initial problem. There would be no need for any discussions about this if our peaceful death was right there for us, all those who wish to go could just die and free themselves from an existence not worth enduring and preventing decades of torment. To die really is a beautiful thing and suicide should be accepted and seen for what it really is, the ideal solution to end whatever problems this life has burdened us with.

I disagree, I do not think having peaceful suicide on demand would solve anything, let alone everything. There is no truth in this.

The fact that you see only suffering in life does not make this an objective fact. This is such a dogmatic worldview. You have no idea what happens when we die. You have no idea what the true scope of life even is. It's an absurd assertion. You speak with the conviction and certainty of a prophet.

The worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves. It's an important truth I've learned (and am still learning) in my life.

 

[CTB Dream]

Yes this real silving give peace any , people suffer say stop suffer no force nymore this real help, fake life crumble see peace ctb it real fake built force other live suffer built blood kill other human animal, ,one opne door ctb peace all see life nonsense .rule thermo make life continue opres each suffer make suffer loop this ctb peace ready avail ease break suffer cycle end bio nonsense. No need force suffer Ijury danage trauma any, this human nonsense all disappear. Human nonsense make damage make suffer main reason me sufferi human terrible awful human make injury damage human also make ctb hard

 

[Chinaski]

To die really is a beautiful thing

It is not, l mean I'm literally sitting here watching a loved one die, and this is nonsense. Death is often gruelling, ignominious, ugly and brutal. This romanticism is pig ignorant.

 

[Lost Magic]

It is not, l mean I'm literally sitting here watching a loved one die, and this is nonsense. Death is often gruelling, ignominious, ugly and brutal. This romanticism is pig ignorant.

I am sorry that you are going through the pain of watching your loved one die. I had to witness that with my mother, and it was sheer torture. May, all who pass over suffer no more.

 

[Chinaski]

I am sorry that you are going through the pain of watching your loved one die. I had to witness that with my mother, and it was sheer torture. May, all who pass over suffer no more.

Thanks for this, however we should now prepare ourselves for the following mature and insightful replies:

1) parents deserve to suffer because they were selfish enough to bring us into this world

2) such people are actually to be envied because they currently experience the bliss of non-existence and do not suffer like we do

3) to die in such a way is good because they don't have to deal with "SI", and they don't know how lucky they are to have sidestepped such a powerful supernatural force

 

[BipolarExpress]

It is not, l mean I'm literally sitting here watching a loved one die, and this is nonsense. Death is often gruelling, ignominious, ugly and brutal. This romanticism is pig ignorant.

Agreed. I'm suicidal. That doesn't mean that I want to die; it means that I'm exhausted with life and my having to live it in "ultra-hard mode." If there were a guarantee that I'd be rid of all my triggers, PTSD symptoms, and pain without bullshit CBT/DBT and constant exposure therapies; if there were a way to wipe all the memories of everything that happened during my psychosis; if there were a way that I could come into millions of dollars and never have to hide all my inner turmoil at work again; if I could suddenly be rich, white, straight, cis, neurotypical, thin, athletic, healthy physically and mentally, able-bodied, trauma-free, and happy, then maybe I wouldn't be suicidal. I would rather not have my life end in suicide, but it's hard for me to see other ways to be free of my pain. I'm sick of playing Whac-A-Mole with my physical and mental health. I'm tired of being an outlier among outliers, the edge case's edge case. The world wasn't made for me, and I wasn't made for it.

 

[Lonerzepam]

There would be no need for complicated suicide research and there would be no need for suicide forums to even exist, as even this suicide forum is often no different to anywhere else in this world, not even offering relief from hostile pro lifers who aim to invalidate and dismiss suffering, just contributing to the initial problem. There would be no need for any discussions about this if our peaceful death was right there for us, all those who wish to go could just die and free themselves from an existence not worth enduring and preventing decades of torment.

I don't think such forums shouldn't exist just because of this. I'm sure not everyone on this forum actively wants to die. Even if they had a peacefull exit. Many are also here to just share and express their feelings, problems and what might actually make them suicidal with other likely minded people. Potentially making them less suicidal. And not everyone not wanting to die is pro-life. As long as they don't force their believes on other people it's fine. Same goes with pro-death. We're all just people after all.

Agreed. I'm suicidal. That doesn't mean that I want to die; it means that I'm exhausted with life and my having to live it in "ultra-hard mode." If there were a guarantee that I'd be rid of all my triggers, PTSD symptoms, and pain without bullshit CBT/DBT and constant exposure therapies; if there were a way to wipe all the memories of everything that happened during my psychosis; if there were a way that I could come into millions of dollars and never have to hide all my inner turmoil at work again; if I could suddenly be rich, white, straight, cis, neurotypical, thin, athletic, healthy physically and mentally, able-bodied, trauma-free, and happy, then maybe I wouldn't be suicidal. I would rather not have my life end in suicide, but it's hard for me to see other ways to be free of my pain. I'm sick of playing Whac-A-Mole with my physical and mental health. I'm tired of being an outlier among outliers, the edge case's edge case. The world wasn't made for me, and I wasn't made for it.

That's alot to ask for..

 

[WhiteRabbit]

The fact that life exists is a cruel mistake and it's wrong to value life in any way.

Disagree. I would love to not have debilitating illnesses and be able to go out and live my life like I used to. You don't speak for everyone.

 

[Chinaski]

Disagree. I would love to not have debilitating illnesses and be able to go out and live my life like I used to. You don't speak for everyone.

Absolutely this. There are many, varied drivers to suicide, and tbh "I find literally nothing positive about life and have literally never laughed but find the notion of death to be beautiful in an abstract, romantic way" is probably not the most common.

 

[Resinn66]

This is the truth, the fact is that a peaceful suicide would solve everything in life and it would be the best outcome possible to pass away peacefully and be permanently free from this existence without having the ability to suffer and struggle in any way. Death is really the only solution when life itself is the problem. The existence of life is the real horrific thing, the fact that life continues to be brought here is so disturbing and tragic where suffering will inevitably be experienced. The fact that life exists is a cruel mistake and it's wrong to value life in any way. Humans place so much value on insignificant life which exists only to die and be forgotten about. And these false beliefs prevent others from achieving true peace which can only be achieved by leaving this world.

Life is just a pointless struggle all for no purpose that leads nowhere, such an useless concept and the idea that life could be worth enduring is centred around lies. Humans exist just to eventually deteriorate and pain is guaranteed in this process, unnecessary pain that never should be experienced and serves no purpose other than to torment beings. Only death is the true relief, where in non existence we lack the awareness that we are dead. There is simply nothing for all eternity and the non existent have no need for anything. To die solves all problems and is preferable to any kind of life, as the existence of life leads to an unlimited amount of problems which continue to be experienced as long as life exists. Everything in life is viewed as a problem to me in some way, it's a problem that I'm still breathing and are trapped here.

Having the option of a peaceful death right there prevents unnecessary struggles and fears such as the method potentially failing and pain experienced during the dying process. There would be no need for complicated suicide research and there would be no need for suicide forums to even exist, as even this suicide forum is often no different to anywhere else in this world, not even offering relief from hostile pro lifers who aim to invalidate and dismiss suffering, just contributing to the initial problem. There would be no need for any discussions about this if our peaceful death was right there for us, all those who wish to go could just die and free themselves from an existence not worth enduring and preventing decades of torment. To die really is a beautiful thing and suicide should be accepted and seen for what it really is, the ideal solution to end whatever problems this life has burdened us with.

I completely agree. People should have the right to a peaceful death worldwide and stop this nonsense and suffering

 

[affinity]

3) to die in such a way is good because they don't have to deal with "SI", and they don't know how lucky they are to have sidestepped such a powerful supernatural force

I hate to tell these folks, but SI still remains when terminal and while I don't doubt they truly believe this, the dread, the uncertainty, the panic and even the frantic and unresolvable regret still set in. Few are saying to themselves, "Well, I've had a good run. I'm ready to quickly go down hill, struggle to breathe, piss myself without a catheter and be in extreme pain even with the strongest pain killers" (which are becoming hard to secure for even hospice).

I follow(ed) some lovely folks on Tik Tok who were/are suffering from terminal illnesses and as I've mentioned before, I also follow hospice nurses. One lovely woman in Australia had advanced stage MND (a horrid disease that makes me question the existence God) and while she tried to put on a brave face because she too had struggled in life, the fear she shared + the extreme anxiety she felt while trying to draw breath was heartbreaking.

I could go on and on…but one of the hospice nurses I follow confirmed the following: while some are very fortunate to gently go and feel love/comfort and often see loved ones, others are in pure terror and panic. There is no rhyme or reason.

If you want guarantees in terms of avoiding SI, pray that you die in your sleep or you're in an accident that the docs promise your loved ones that it was quick.

I wish I could believe in the premise of the show, Dead Like Me (ie where folks are tasked with ensuring a persons soul is removed from their body before you die) and hey, maybe it is indeed the case. That's the frustrating thing about all of this - there is no certainty and all we know for sure is what we are experiencing now and even then, life can change for the better in a New York minute.

 

[FuneralCry]

First of all, we all know that N is peaceful, but the problem is that N seems to be inaccessible and it's not legal anyway. If I had N then I would no longer be here. Yes, of course some people have it as I've seen them brag about it on threads where others desperately want to die and have limited access to methods, but saying that 'N is peaceful though', is not going to change anything and make suicide easier for people. The fact is that, at least for me there is no peaceful and desirable suicide method options and this is the true problem which should change. People have even had to experience wellness checks because they ordered N. But I so envy those who have it and haven't suffered any consequences because of it.

And also saying a peaceful suicide would solve nothing makes zero sense. This sounds like a pro life scare tactic. I don't believe in any hell or reincarnation or whatever afterlife theory people like to go on about here. A peaceful suicide does solve everything as to die removes the true cause of all our problems in the first place. Only really arrogant people disagree with facts. Wanting to deny peaceful suicide methods from people is certainly selfish and unfair. If people want to delude themselves that life is great then that's their decision but that doesn't give them the right to say having a peaceful exit doesn't solve anything. Maybe some people just want to say nonsense to deliberately make others feel worse. The suffering in this world is simply undeniable.

And the truth is that to die is a beautiful thing. It's not nonsense seeing this. Some people find comfort in the thought of being dead and it's the only thing that comforts them. Those who have the knowledge that they will soon be free from this world are lucky. Yes, people may suffer in the process of dying, depending on what they die of, but if someone is dying from an illness, what they are going through will soon be over and they wouldn't have to research suicide methods or worry about methods potentially failing. It's ideal permanently leaving this world, to be gone from this world is such a wonderful thing, and to me the worst outcome is feeling trapped here in this world, struggling to find ways to ctb and endlessly suffering. People act like dying from an illness is the worst thing, but having to carry on existing is way worse, especially if the person gets damage from a failed suicide attempt.

The suffering that people on this forum experience is not something to be made fun of or to be arrogantly dismissed. Some people actually struggle to ctb and that is a fact. It's not amusing in any way and is not a joke. It's totally hypocritical calling others posts 'nonsense'. The suffering that is experienced by suicidal people is certainly real.

 

[Chinaski]

The suffering that people on this forum experience is not something to be made fun of or to be arrogantly dismissed. Some people actually struggle to ctb and that is a fact. It's not amusing in any way and is not a joke.

Where has this taken place

This sounds like a pro life scare tactic.

Please stop doing this every time someone disagrees with you.

 

[rationaltake]

It is not, l mean I'm literally sitting here watching a loved one die, and this is nonsense. Death is often gruelling, ignominious, ugly and brutal. This romanticism is pig ignorant.

I know. I'm sorry you've been subjected to such rubbish on this site by somebody who can't even respond to you with common decency.

Edited as I'm trying to stick to my own standards.

 

[Infinitespace_]

This is the truth, the fact is that a peaceful suicide would solve everything in life and it would be the best outcome possible to pass away peacefully and be permanently free from this existence without having the ability to suffer and struggle in any way. Death is really the only solution when life itself is the problem. The existence of life is the real horrific thing, the fact that life continues to be brought here is so disturbing and tragic where suffering will inevitably be experienced. The fact that life exists is a cruel mistake and it's wrong to value life in any way. Humans place so much value on insignificant life which exists only to die and be forgotten about. And these false beliefs prevent others from achieving true peace which can only be achieved by leaving this world.

Life is just a pointless struggle all for no purpose that leads nowhere, such an useless concept and the idea that life could be worth enduring is centred around lies. Humans exist just to eventually deteriorate and pain is guaranteed in this process, unnecessary pain that never should be experienced and serves no purpose other than to torment beings. Only death is the true relief, where in non existence we lack the awareness that we are dead. There is simply nothing for all eternity and the non existent have no need for anything. To die solves all problems and is preferable to any kind of life, as the existence of life leads to an unlimited amount of problems which continue to be experienced as long as life exists. Everything in life is viewed as a problem to me in some way, it's a problem that I'm still breathing and are trapped here.

Having the option of a peaceful death right there prevents unnecessary struggles and fears such as the method potentially failing and pain experienced during the dying process. There would be no need for complicated suicide research and there would be no need for suicide forums to even exist, as even this suicide forum is often no different to anywhere else in this world, not even offering relief from hostile pro lifers who aim to invalidate and dismiss suffering, just contributing to the initial problem. There would be no need for any discussions about this if our peaceful death was right there for us, all those who wish to go could just die and free themselves from an existence not worth enduring and preventing decades of torment. To die really is a beautiful thing and suicide should be accepted and seen for what it really is, the ideal solution to end whatever problems this life has burdened us with.

You don't actually know that, you believe that death means eternal sleep but you don't know. It's like a Christian that believes that they go to heaven when they die. It's just a consolation you keep telling yourself but behind every belief there is doubt. Death can easily lead to another birth and you will remain exactly the same…

Do you really know what life is? To be born is not enough, life is to be earned.

 

[StrangeAndDeath]

I agree with your sentiment @FuneralCry . However, to everyone in general,
You can disagree without using insulting words. Despite most of us having a common goal for being here, we are all philosophers in our own right and one thing I've learnt about philosophy is that it's very difficult to get people to agree on anything.

That said, I imagine what she meant by Death was the state of Death and not the process. Based on the apparent fact that everything ceases to function and the individual ceases to be.

While I do not know what happens after death, I don't think anyone else does. And afterlife seems like a concept that gives the living hope or scares them away from suicide, so it could very well be a pro life tactic as @FuneralCry said

 

[nffc]

I wish I was in a state to be as articulate as a lot of other users are. Interesting discussions.

 

[pauly1963]

This is the truth, the fact is that a peaceful suicide would solve everything in life and it would be the best outcome possible to pass away peacefully and be permanently free from this existence without having the ability to suffer and struggle in any way. Death is really the only solution when life itself is the problem. The existence of life is the real horrific thing, the fact that life continues to be brought here is so disturbing and tragic where suffering will inevitably be experienced. The fact that life exists is a cruel mistake and it's wrong to value life in any way. Humans place so much value on insignificant life which exists only to die and be forgotten about. And these false beliefs prevent others from achieving true peace which can only be achieved by leaving this world.

Life is just a pointless struggle all for no purpose that leads nowhere, such an useless concept and the idea that life could be worth enduring is centred around lies. Humans exist just to eventually deteriorate and pain is guaranteed in this process, unnecessary pain that never should be experienced and serves no purpose other than to torment beings. Only death is the true relief, where in non existence we lack the awareness that we are dead. There is simply nothing for all eternity and the non existent have no need for anything. To die solves all problems and is preferable to any kind of life, as the existence of life leads to an unlimited amount of problems which continue to be experienced as long as life exists. Everything in life is viewed as a problem to me in some way, it's a problem that I'm still breathing and are trapped here.

Having the option of a peaceful death right there prevents unnecessary struggles and fears such as the method potentially failing and pain experienced during the dying process. There would be no need for complicated suicide research and there would be no need for suicide forums to even exist, as even this suicide forum is often no different to anywhere else in this world, not even offering relief from hostile pro lifers who aim to invalidate and dismiss suffering, just contributing to the initial problem. There would be no need for any discussions about this if our peaceful death was right there for us, all those who wish to go could just die and free themselves from an existence not worth enduring and preventing decades of torment. To die really is a beautiful thing and suicide should be accepted and seen for what it really is, the ideal solution to end whatever problems this life has burdened us with.

I see no point in existing. Everything is transient in nature. There is no point in getting attached to anything in this life because you will ultimately experience pain through loss. The only thing guaranteed in this so-called life is suffering, ageing, illness and death. For most people the amount of suffering experienced in life is hugely disproportionate to the amount of happiness. Most people also make the mistake of placing too much value on life by giving life value through external things, such as material and financial wealth, social status, etc. These things have nothing to do with life itself, they are simply a distraction from the fact that life itself is meaningless and pointless. Take these things away and people soon fall into existential angst, anxiety, depression. A peaceful suicide would indeed be the best way to go. It is shameful how We are denied such a death by the medical profession and government.

 

[Chinaski]

I know. I'm sorry you've been subjected to such rubbish on this site by somebody who can't even respond to you with common decency.

Edited as I'm trying to stick to my own standards.

Thanks, tbh l keep my personal stuff off this forum because *waves hand*, but only mentioned this initially in a I WANT CANCER thread and was amazed to see this resurrected a few days later as evidence of "bullying", absolutely unreal.

 

[RainAndSadness]

You don't actually know that, you believe that death means eternal sleep but you don't know. It's like a Christian that believes that they go to heaven when they die. It's just a consolation you keep telling yourself but behind every belief there is doubt. Death can easily lead to another birth and you will remain exactly the same…

From an empirical standpoint we have to assume that death is the end of all. Do you remember what happened to you before you were born? No because you didn't exist, right? You simply weren't there. You experienced nothing. That's probably gonna happen to us again once we die because we cease to exist, including all functions in our brain that make it possible for us process and experience anything. And it's more likely than other theories because we already were in a state of nothingness before we were born. People fail to acknowledge that. Right now we have strong reason to believe that your conscious experience, you as a being, ends once your brain dies - that also erases any hope that any of us will experience something like an afterlife or incarnation because these theories only work if something like a soul exists but right now there is absolutely no empirical evidence that this is even a real thing. There is a lot of medical research that seems to confirm the notion that death is the final end to our journy in this universe because our consciousness is tied to our brain. If your brain dies, you die. Which brings us back to the points made by FuneralCry. If your existence is tainted with suffering, if it outweights anything else in your life and if you're unable to compensate that suffering and experience any joy at all, death is a valid escape for those people. It's simple math.

 

[Chinaski]

Which brings us back to the points made by FuneralCry. If your existence is tainted with suffering, if it outweights anything else in your life and if you're unable to compensate that suffering and experience any joy at all, death is a valid escape for those people. It's simple math.

This is absolutely fair enough and something l certainly understand but l don't think anyone disagreed with this in the thread, principally because this isn't what was said in the op.

 

[rationaltake]

Thanks, tbh l keep my personal stuff off this forum because *waves hand*, but only mentioned this initially in a I WANT CANCER thread and was amazed to see this resurrected a few days later as evidence of "bullying", absolutely unreal.

I know *raises eyebrows*. There was absolutely no bullying. The accusation is absurd. Unless "bullying" is now synonymous with "disagreement".

Trying to suppress and demonise opposing views is oppressive and disrespectful. I'm disappointed but sadly not surprised that this attitude is tolerated on the forum.

 

[Infinitespace_]

From an empirical standpoint we have to assume that death is the end of all. Do you remember what happened to you before you were born? No because you didn't exist, right? You simply weren't there. You experienced nothing. That's probably gonna happen to us again once we die because we cease to exist, including all functions in our brain that make it possible for us process and experience anything. And it's more likely than other theories because we already were in a state of nothingness before we were born. People fail to acknowledge that. Right now we have strong reason to believe that your conscious experience, you as a being, ends once your brain dies - that also erases any hope that any of us will experience something like an afterlife or incarnation because these theories only work if something like a soul exists but right now there is absolutely no empirical evidence that this is even a real thing. There is a lot of medical research that seems to confirm the notion that death is the final end to our journy in this universe because our consciousness is tied to our brain. If your brain dies, you die. Which brings us back to the points made by FuneralCry. If your existence is tainted with suffering, if it outweights anything else in your life and if you're unable to compensate that suffering and experience any joy at all, death is a valid escape for those people. It's simple math.

Do you remember being born? no you have been told you were born on such a day, it is news to you. your birth was unconscious and whatsoever happens during unconsciousness does not remain in the memory. Birth and death both happen in unconsciousness. Nothing in existence can be created and nothing can be destroyed and there is no certainty that your consciousness dies with the brain, that is a massive leap of faith.