A Nitrogen Alternative To The Exit Bag That Can Succeed

[knowman]

Hi folks. I have everything needed for the nitrogen exit bag method, and I've read many posts regarding mask and scuba options. I know the drawbacks of each, and I've had no success in finding an adapter for DIN 200 scuba gear to a CGA 580 nitrogen tank. Oxygen assist masks have also been explored, with many vocalizing concerns about how the mask will fit. My issue is that I have an anxiety/panic disorder that makes conscious/subconscious brain stem concerns even more exaggerated. While the bag method has offered many successes, I am very leery for the stated reasons. I'm just not sure how I would internalize any failures. Does anyone out there know of a variant on the nitrogen option that can offer a safer route for someone like myself? Carbon monoxide possibly? Thank you all very much.

 

[fightingsioux]

I assume you've read my post from January reviewing the entire method:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/

You're making a common error often seen on this forum: confusing the two different types of Survival Instinct.

The first type is a function of the autonomic nervous system and includes things like hypercapnia (a physical reflex to the the build-up of carbon dioxide) that can include anything from wild, panicked physical actions to hiccups or yawning. The startle reflex, coughing, the mammalian diving reflex, jerking your hand away from a hot stove are all other examples.

These are deep-seated, instinctual, uncontrollable, evolutionary adaptations that are indelibly programmed in our brain stems.

The brain has no instinctive response to breathing inert gas; it just thinks you're breathing air, until you painlessly and quickly pass-out and die.

So what you're worried about is the second type of survival instinct. It's psychological. But it's very powerful and very real, perhaps just as powerful and real as any physically instinctual brain stem reflex. And just as difficult to control.

Some people call it the will to live; others self-preservation, fear of dying, a primitive force that clings to life. On and on. Religious folks have their take on it, social activists have their take, poets theirs, even politicians weigh in, unfortunately.

Let's just say that that taking one's own life, for most people, is a scary proposition! And as with anything that scares us, we react.

You're going to have this same psychological/emotional survival instinct kick in no matter what method you choose. Standing at the edge of a high place or your finger on the trigger or a rope around your neck or your hand around a glass of SN--you'll have that moment of doubt and fear. When my time comes so will I. I wish I knew the answer, but I don't.

The Exit Bag & Inert Gas method involves about 10 to 15 seconds before unconsciousness. Death follows in a few minutes. What you're saying is that you need to find something that gives you less time to think, but there is no such thing. No matter what the method, you will have that moment...that moment at the brink.

 

[knowman]

I assume you've read my post from January reviewing the entire method:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/

You're making a common error often seen on this forum: confusing the two different types of Survival Instinct.

The first type is a function of the autonomic nervous system and includes things like hypercapnia (a physical reflex to the the build-up of carbon dioxide) that can include anything from wild, panicked physical actions to hiccups or yawning. The startle reflex, coughing, the mammalian diving reflex, jerking your hand away from a hot stove are all other examples.

These are deep-seated, instinctual, uncontrollable, evolutionary adaptations that are indelibly programmed in our brain stems.

The brain has no instinctive response to breathing inert gas; it just thinks you're breathing air, until you painlessly and quickly pass-out and die.

So what you're worried about is the second type of survival instinct. It's psychological. But it's very powerful and very real, perhaps just as powerful and real as any physically instinctual brain stem reflex. And just as difficult to control.

Some people call it the will to live; others self-preservation, fear of dying, a primitive force that clings to life. On and on. Religious folks have their take on it, social activists have their take, poets theirs, even politicians weigh in, unfortunately.

Let's just say that that taking one's own life, for most people, is a scary proposition! And as with anything that scares us, we react.

You're going to have this same psychological/emotional survival instinct kick in no matter what method you choose. Standing at the edge of a high place or your finger on the trigger or a rope around your neck or your hand around a glass of SN--you'll have that moment of doubt and fear. When my time comes so will I. I wish I knew the answer, but I don't.

The Exit Bag & Inert Gas method involves about 10 to 15 seconds before unconsciousness. Death follows in a few minutes. What you're saying is that you need to find something that gives you less time to think, but there is no such thing. No matter what the method, you will have that moment...that moment at the brink.

I did read your previous post, and I'm not saying that my relationship with the survival instinct is totally unique. I do know that I'm 71, with serious life long CPTSD, TBI, and most recently prostate cancer. Each day fightingsioux I experience extended bouts of panic/anxiety that involve a form of "suffocation" like thinking and feeling states. I respect your posts and comments very much, so I'm asking for ongoing help and recommendations from you regarding the use of nitrogen to end the personal limitations I experience most of the time. I have indeed read much regarding the use of masks and air-assist masks, as well as the time-tested exit bag. I've steered away from the bag a bit, again for the reasons mentioned. For the record, I also have the PPH and have followed the de-breather availability issues. I still am very interested in this product, but it's not looking good because of the virus. Given all of this fightingsioux, is there a reasonable path for me with nitrogen, even if it's a more unconventional application of it's use as an exit strategy? Thank you very much.

 

[fightingsioux]

I did read your previous post, and I'm not saying that my relationship with the survival instinct is totally unique. I do know that I'm 71, with serious life long CPTSD, TBI, and most recently prostate cancer. Each day fightingsioux I experience extended bouts of panic/anxiety that involve a form of "suffocation" like thinking and feeling states. I respect your posts and comments very much, so I'm asking for ongoing help and recommendations from you regarding the use of nitrogen to end the personal limitations I experience most of the time. I have indeed read much regarding the use of masks and air-assist masks, as well as the time-tested exit bag. I've steered away from the bag a bit, again for the reasons mentioned. For the record, I also have the PPH and have followed the de-breather availability issues. I still am very interested in this product, but it's not looking good because of the virus. Given all of this fightingsioux, is there a reasonable path for me with nitrogen, even if it's a more unconventional application of it's use as an exit strategy? Thank you very much.

Yes, my friend, I hear you. We are both the same exact age, which probable makes us the two oldest posters here.

PM me.