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noname223

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There was something like that between Slavoj Zizek and Werner Herzog. But I think the way they fed the model was better. I might update this thread one day with a better version. I think the results are pretty mediocre. But it is still halfway funny. I had to ask 3 AI models to generate the 4 Real users I demanded from here. This one Was done by grok AI thinking. By the way the English AI noname223 speaks is way better than the English of the OG Version. And Darkrange55 is portrayed as Trump simp. Lol. Which is inaccurate but still funny. Elon Musik probably wants you to be on his side.

This was the prompt by the way:
"Please generate a typical discussion in the subforum politics & Philosophy of the website Sanctioned Suicide. Please don't write something related to suicide but a debate about American politics. The following users shall be involved in the discussion and please imitate their individual writing styles: noname223, Darkrange55, Forever Sleep, Dejected 55
Please take the way These users write on this forum as Model for this discussion. All of them have Special unique personalities"
Here is the experiment:

### Thread: Trump's Second Term - Blessing or Disaster for America?

**Started by noname223**
*January 10, 2026, 11:42 PM*

**noname223**
I have been following the American election quite closely from Europe, and honestly, Trump's victory still leaves me with mixed feelings and a lot of concern. On one hand, I understand why many people voted for him – the economy under Biden/Harris felt stagnant for a lot of working-class Americans, inflation was brutal, and there was this perception that the Democrats were out of touch with everyday struggles. Immigration policies also played a huge role, and Trump capitalized on that frustration effectively.

But on the other hand, I worry deeply about the direction this is heading. The rhetoric during the campaign was so divisive, and now with Republicans controlling Congress too, there's talk of implementing parts of Project 2025, which seems like a massive power grab. Things like restricting abortion access even further in red states, rolling back LGBTQ protections, and appointing very conservative judges – it feels like a step backward on social progress. Also, Trump's comments on foreign policy, like pulling back from NATO or trade wars, could destabilize alliances. America has always been this beacon of democracy, but the January 6 stuff still lingers in my mind, and I fear increased polarization.

What do you guys think? Is this going to "make America great again" or push it toward more authoritarianism? I'm genuinely curious about different perspectives.

**Forever Sleep**
*January 11, 2026, 1:15 AM*
(quoting noname223)

I share some of your concerns, noname223, especially about the divisiveness. It's heartbreaking how polarized things have become – families and friends falling out over politics. Trump does tap into real grievances though; a lot of people feel forgotten by the establishment, and the Democrats didn't do enough to address that this time around.

That said, I'm not as worried about full-on authoritarianism. The US system has checks and balances, and even during his first term, a lot of the more extreme ideas got blocked by courts or Congress. Economically, he might deliver some growth through tax cuts and deregulation, which could help ordinary people in the short term. On social issues, yeah, abortion and rights stuff is tricky – it's state-level now mostly, so it varies wildly.

I guess I'm cautiously optimistic? Or at least hoping both sides can find some common ground. What worries me more is the media echo chambers making everything worse.

**Darkrange55**
*January 11, 2026, 3:28 AM*

Lol, you Europeans always overreact to Trump. The guy's a chaos agent, sure, but that's exactly what America needed after four years of sleepy Joe and cackling Kamala fumbling everything. Borders wide open, crime spiking in cities, endless wars draining money – Trump at least talks straight and puts America first.

Project 2025? Most of it's just common-sense conservative policy – cutting bloated government, protecting free speech from woke censorship, securing the border. Abortion? That's a state issue now, democracy in action. If blue states want it, fine; red states don't.

The "authoritarianism" whining is just sore loser talk from the left. Trump won fair and square, bigger margin than last time. Time to drain the swamp again. MAGA 2024 baby.

**Dejected 55**
*January 11, 2026, 5:10 AM*
(quoting Darkrange55)

Fair and square? Sure, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that it's all theater. Trump wins, promises the world, delivers tax cuts for the rich and culture war bullshit while everything else stays broken. Democrats lose, cry about fascism, then do nothing meaningful when they're in power.

Both sides are owned by corporations and lobbyists. Economy might "boom" for stocks, but wages stay shit, healthcare is a joke, housing unaffordable. Polarization? It's by design – keeps us fighting each other instead of the real problems.

Trump's term will be more tweets, scandals, and gridlock. Then in 2028 we'll do this circus again. Nothing ever changes. America's decline is baked in, presidents are just symptoms.

**noname223**
*January 11, 2026, 9:47 AM*
(quoting Forever Sleep and Darkrange55)

Forever Sleep, I appreciate your balanced take – yes, the checks and balances are there, and that's reassuring to some extent. But I still think the Supreme Court is tilted heavily now, and that could have long-term effects.

Darkrange55, I get the appeal of the "straight talk," but some of it crosses into dangerous territory – like questioning election integrity when he wins but not when he loses before, or allies with figures like Orban. And calling concerns "sore loser talk" dismisses legitimate fears about democratic norms eroding.

Dejected 55, you have a point about the systemic issues. It's frustrating how little fundamental change happens regardless of who wins.

Overall, I'm not celebrating or dooming – just observing with worry from afar. Hoping for stability at least.

**Forever Sleep**
*January 11, 2026, 11:20 AM*
(quoting Dejected 55)

Yeah, the cynicism is understandable. It does feel like no matter who wins, the big problems persist. Maybe that's the real issue – the two-party system itself being too entrenched.

Still, I think individual policies can make a difference in people's lives, even if imperfectly. Fingers crossed this term brings more prosperity without too much chaos.
 
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Interesting. Weird, but interesting. Maybe the AI version of me will have a better life once I'm gone and it will be like I never left.
 
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Interesting. Weird, but interesting. Maybe the AI version of me will have a better life once I'm gone and it will be like I never left.
lol i assure no that no ai can ever replace you, dj 55 >;)
 
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noname223

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Interesting. Weird, but interesting. Maybe the AI version of me will have a better life once I'm gone and it will be like I never left.
I apologize for not asking you in advance. I think though you answer my threads more frequently and maybe AI could imitate your voice better due to this.
 
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I apologize for not asking you in advance. I think though you answer my threads more frequently and maybe AI could imitate your voice better due to this.
It's fine... it's not me... the AI is imitating me. It's not doing a horrible job of it either... imperfect, but parts of it felt like something I might have written.
 
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noname223

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Second try for a discussion about American politics with the same users. It is again Grok AI thinking with a similar prompt. However, I fed grok with various threads and posts of the four users in order to re-create their unique voices in a better way. Honestly, I think this one is better than the first try. Maybe not for all. AI noname223 replies more often to his threads than the OG version. Here is the AI discussion. Uncensored. Edit: Wait what they actually marked all four users to this thread. I will change that. Otherwise this looks too real, and could get out of hand. Lol.

Thread Title: Trump's Second Term So Far – Early Wins or Same Old Disappointments?


noname223
(OP)
January 19, 2026


I thought Trump winning again in 2024 was basically impossible after everything that happened, but here we are. Early 2026 and his second term is underway. From Europe it looks chaotic as always, but I really want to hear from Americans (or people closer to it) what the actual mood is on the ground.


The big promises were economy, cost of living, mass deportations, "draining the swamp," ending wars, etc. From what I read (mostly independent sources because I don't trust MSM fully), the economy is mixed – some stock market highs but groceries and rent still crushing people. Deportations are happening but the numbers seem lower than the hype suggested. Foreign policy is... Trump being Trump: threats, deals, tweets at 3 AM.


I'm curious:


  • Are people feeling any real relief yet?
  • Do the deportations feel like a "win" or is it mostly theater?
  • Is there buyer's remorse already, or is the base still fully on board?
  • How much is J.D. Vance already positioning himself as the heir, and does that worry anyone?

I still think Vance would be worse long-term because he's more ideological and disciplined than Trump, who is mostly transactional. But maybe that's just my European bias showing.


Would love to hear actual American takes without the usual media filter.


Forever Sleep
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I'm not American and I'm not super political anyway – I usually don't even vote because I don't trust any of them to keep their promises. But I do follow the news a bit.


From the outside it looks like a lot of noise but not much real change yet. Prices are still high, people are still complaining about bills, and the deportations seem to be making headlines more than actually solving anything. It's early days though, so maybe things will shift.


I wonder if a lot of Trump voters are just giving him time because they hated the alternative more. Or are some already regretting it? I think the main feeling might be exhaustion – like everyone is tired of the constant drama no matter who is in charge.


Do you think it will calm down eventually or just stay this intense the whole term?


Dejected 55
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Let me just start by saying the irony is thicker than ever. Trump campaigned on "no more endless wars" and "America First," and now we're rattling sabers at Iran again while simultaneously cozying up to some dictators and alienating others. He promised the biggest deportation operation in history, and sure, there are raids and buses and tearful TV segments, but the actual numbers so far are a fraction of what Obama did in his first term. Remember when the right called Obama "deporter-in-chief"? Now it's radio silence because it's their guy doing less than that.


The economy? Stocks are up if you're already rich, but wages aren't keeping up with inflation for regular people. Gas is down a bit, groceries are still insane. It's the same playbook: big flashy executive orders on day one, lots of tweets, then the hard stuff gets bogged down in courts or Congress or just quietly forgotten.


And J.D. Vance lurking in the background like the polite, well-spoken successor who actually believes all the authoritarian stuff Trump only half-means? Yeah, that's the scary part. Trump is chaotic and ego-driven, Vance is calculated. Give me the lazy narcissist over the true believer any day.


I don't know if there's widespread buyer's remorse yet – his base seems to treat every small move as a massive victory – but the disappointment will come when people realize the cost of living isn't magically fixed by tariffs or border theater. It never is.


We just keep cycling through the same dumb show every four years. Nobody learns anything.


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It's all theater, always has been. The deportations are hyped to the moon but if you look at the actual ICE numbers they're not even close to reversing the last four years of open borders. It's enough to keep the base cheering and the libs outraged, but not enough to actually change the demographic trajectory or labor markets in any meaningful way. Same with the economy – markets love the tax cut talk and deregulation vibes, but the underlying debt and inflation pressures aren't going anywhere.


Trump isn't "draining the swamp," he's just redecorating it with his own people. The same intelligence community, defense contractors, and financial interests that ran things under Obama and Biden are still there, just with new talking points. The NRO, CIA, all the three-letter agencies don't care who sits in the Oval Office as long as the budgets keep flowing. Trump's "America First" foreign policy is basically the same neoconservative posture with more bombast and less polish.


Early term chaos is deliberate – it keeps everyone distracted while the real power players consolidate. Vance is the interesting one because he's connected to the Thiel/Yarvin crowd who actually have a coherent (and dark) vision for restructuring the administrative state. Trump doesn't read white papers; Vance does. That's why he's more dangerous in the long run.


The average person isn't feeling relief yet because there isn't any real structural change happening. It's just a different flavor of the same system. The show must go on.


noname223
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Thanks for the responses – really interesting range of views.


@ Forever Sleep – yeah, the exhaustion feels universal at this point. Even here in Europe we're tired of the constant US drama spilling over.


@ Dejected 55 – the irony points are spot on. The selective memory about Obama's deportation numbers is wild. And you're right about Vance being the calculated one. That's what worries me most for the future.


@ DarkRange55– I get the "it's all theater" angle and part of me agrees, but I still think personalities matter. Trump is unpredictable in ways that sometimes disrupt the usual script (good and bad). Vance seems like he wants to finish the script in a much darker direction.


Overall it sounds like not much has actually changed for regular people yet, which surprises me a little because the rhetoric was so apocalyptic during the campaign. Maybe it's still too early, or maybe the system is just too entrenched for any one president to shift it much.


Anyone seeing real enthusiasm on the ground or is it mostly grudging acceptance?
 
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I feel like this one is a little worse... I don't think I would have said any of the JD Vance stuff. Vance seems like a nob. Maybe he is a little smarter and more dedicated to the cause than Trump... but I don't think he is super popular in his party, so I doubt he would have the traction that Trump had.

When is Grok going to start posting the bikini pictures of us alongside our posts? I mean, that's what Grok is more famous for these days, right?
 
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I feel like this one is a little worse... I don't think I would have said any of the JD Vance stuff. Vance seems like a nob. Maybe he is a little smarter and more dedicated to the cause than Trump... but I don't think he is super popular in his party, so I doubt he would have the traction that Trump had.

When is Grok going to start posting the bikini pictures of us alongside our posts? I mean, that's what Grok is more famous for these days, right?
Yes, I think the version of you in the first try was really better. I think for the others the result may be a little bit better. I think I will end this experiment here.
 
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Forever Sleep

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My AI counterpart is far better informed and articulate than me. Lol. Although- I'm not keen on AI full stop really so- I'd prefer not to be imitated by it. Interesting idea though.
 
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My AI counterpart is far better informed and articulate than me. Lol. Although- I'm not keen on AI full stop really so- I'd prefer not to be imitated by it. Interesting idea though.
Sorry for that. I thought I take users who have so many posts that their data was already mined. I think after posting a couple of thousand of posts on a public forum the data is out there anyway. I think I will stop doing AI debates though. It was just for this one thread. Because I was interested in the results and wanted to share them. And maybe if someone wants that I delete this thread I can ask the moderators to do so. It is borderline but I thought it might be funny and interesting.
 
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Sorry for that. I thought I take users who have so many posts that their data was already mined. I think after posting a couple of thousand of posts on a public forum the data is out there anyway. I think I will stop doing AI debates though. It was just for this one thread. Because I was interested in the results and wanted to share them. And maybe if someone wants that I delete this thread I can ask the moderators to do so. It is borderline but I thought it might be funny and interesting.

Yeah- true- all our data is probably being data 'scraped' anyway. It's an interesting test for people who want to 'test' how far AI is advancing but I guess I just have my own bias against it.

I don't find the thread offensive as such. It's just not something that interests me- how good AI is becoming at mimicking our quirks.

Mixing me with politics is a little like mixing oil and water too. I doubt AI would want to pretend to be as uninformed as I am about it. It is kind of funny in a way. A more accurate argument of what it concludes my views are.
 
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I'm flatter you chose me but I'm honestly kind of confused when I'm not a political expert or anything 😂

Maybe I should start my own political party
🎆 🎉 🎂

the birthday cake party 🍰

I always liked Hunter S. Thompson's Freak Power Party

Or the coffee party ☕️ - take this whole idea of a Tea Party the taxed enough already or whatever they wanted to call themselves and we should have the Coffee Party. Cut off federal fundings for everything and everyone. Give everybody out there who's true hard working entrepreneur a chance to really have something in their life.

Or maybe we should have a party… a COMMUNIST PARTY! 🎊



Honestly, I'm more concerned about stuff like soil degradation in farmland. Why aren't more people talking about that?


Politics is all about self interest. If you make a lot of money you probably don't want to pay a lot of taxes. If you're poor, you probably want the government to help you out, to help you get more money. Everybody's after their own self interest.
It's all just political propaganda on every news channel. Wearing masks and the media (while its true) its also at some level propaganda. People are sheep and they will follow if you lead and if they hear something enough times. Just look at TV (which I don't watch). All I am saying is that anything that is being shown on TV, on the internet by mainstream is controlled.

Philosophy teaches you to think, whether you like it or not. If you're going to adjust and be successful in life then you need to be able to think. Most people look at the TV or the newspaper or the internet and say well the sky is blue. Well maybe its not blue. Maybe you'd better think about it, you better go look out the window. Most people just say well it says here in the paper that the sky is blue, they wont even go look out the window. So it teaches you to question, to think and to come to your own conclusions.

I liken politics to fast food- Taco Bell has a soft shell taco and a crunchy shell taco. Different wrappers but the contents are the same: garbage thats bad for you.

The super rich are insulated from politicians and laws they create.

Anybody thats in national politics has got to play along to a certain extent. So some of it is acting as it is with any other politician, they're actors. Wasn't AOC responding to a request for a professional actress? I won't even put my personal time into reading what just idiocy that woman is doing.

With everything thats going on, the only way that I vote is whoever's not trying to steal the people's guns.
 
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