TAW122

TAW122

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I have just seen a commenter on Reddit's r/SW that actually spoke a good rebuttal against the commonly heard cliche of "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

Below is a comment by reddit u/Benzo86

It's one of those sayings that was unhelpful and patronising on it's inception. Since then it seems to have been printed on cereal boxes and become the mantra of healthy humans thinking they are sharing a nugget of wisdom that is capable of drilling some sense into actively suicidal people. It seems to have been regurgitated to the point that it is thrown around by people that haven't even taken the time to actually analyse what that statement may mean to some of us.

What they don't understand is that we aren't stupid individuals that haven't contemplated the finality of suicide, I mean THAT'S THE POINT, the finality is a big fucking virtue to suicidal people.

Suicide is a permanent solution... well excuse me for not being dissuaded by that.

To a temporary problem... ok in some cases problems are temporary - ignoring people with chronic conditions since that saying doesn't even apply to them (although I bet they still get it rammed down their throats) - lets focus on people going through a "rough patch". So I wont deny that it's possible for some people to come out the other end of hardships smelling of roses, good for them! But let's not tar everyone with the same brush and assume that things will certainly improve eventually. Here's the thing, these "temporary problems" differ wildly from person to person. And is there nothing to be said about how many of these "temporary problems" a person is willing to endure? Life can beat the best of us to our knees, and there's a social approval awarded to anyone that stands back up. We've all heard of these inspirational heroes, less so of the the countless people that don't get back up. Are the people that don't get back up weak and cowardly? NO THEY'RE FUCKING NOT!

I wonder how many of these people rose again, simply because the act of suicide is fucking SCARY, it's not for the faint of heart, it takes tremendous bravery and strength to willingly terminate yourself. And what about the people that rose only to be kicked in the balls again, and again, who now live a sad lonely existence whose best friends have four legs and a tail? Heroes right? I'm not so sure personally.

Now, it's admirable that people can weather a storm and come back swinging, I take my hat off to them, but let's be a little more tactful for how these kinds of statements can actually belittle and trivialise someone's legitimate suffering.

Sometimes a person gets slapped around to the point where they don't want to fight anymore, sometimes it's not even that they don't believe that things can get better, sometimes people do not want it to get better. They've had their spirit and vitality for life sucked from their very souls. You guys that keep repeating this drivel are not helping anyone, in fact in many cases you are being downright insulting. There are people in this world that if you gave them a billion dollars tomorrow, they'd still be dead within the week. It's not always these "problems" that are the reason for suicide, usually they are just catalysts to ignite the motivation to die, a lot of people were suffering well before they lost their jobs, or spouses or whatever it may be.

To a person that is just done with life, has no more desire to put up a fight, and don't even care to fix a problem. To tell them "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" as though you've just made an irrefutable claim to live... well, I hate to break it to you, but to some of us you've just made an irrefutable reason to die.
Please for the love of god, stop saying this pap to suicidal people! If you want to genuinely help a person in these positions, don't patronise them, they are well aware of the gravity and consequences of their actions, and just fucking listen to them, let them talk freely about their wish to die, maybe they wont feel so alienated and alone in such a dark time. If they are going to commit suicide, believe me... they will, and you missed an opportunity to let them feel validated and a last taste of human connection before they went, that's not in vain just because they died, kindness and understanding is always a worthwhile expression of humanness.

Peace

I have also quoted it in case Reddit's mods or admins decide to remove the comment.
 
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Tearygirl

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Permanent solution to a temporary problem, they must know that many suicidal people wants that "permanent solution", and some problems can never be solved, they have a "permanent problem". Personally speaking, my doctor never accepts this.
 
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Please for the love of god, stop saying this pap to suicidal people! If you want to genuinely help a person in these positions, don't patronise them, they are well aware of the gravity and consequences of their actions, and just fucking listen to them, let them talk freely about their wish to die, maybe they wont feel so alienated and alone in such a dark time. If they are going to commit suicide, believe me... they will, and you missed an opportunity to let them feel validated and a last taste of human connection before they went, that's not in vain just because they died, kindness and understanding is always a worthwhile expression of humanness.

I wholeheartedly agree with this last paragraph. Unfortunately many of us will end up dying alone and alienated because nobody listened or showed us any compassion.
 
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TimeToBiteTheDust

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Yes, because chronic pain and terminal illnesses are "temporary problems"
I have just seen a commenter on Reddit's r/SW that actually spoke a good rebuttal against the commonly heard cliche of "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

Below is a comment by reddit u/Benzo86



I have also quoted it in case Reddit's mods or admins decide to remove the comment.
"Quality of life over the quantity of life. The greatest freedom one can have is the right to choose when and how to die. " I loved that!
 
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Well I'm not an expert but how do they know that my problems are temporary?
Ok this is just my opinion, I will say it anyway.
When I listen to the mainstream/media about depression it's about depression caused by genetics not by depression caused by serious problems. We hear stories "I had depression caused by genetics and now I'm fine I regret trying to take my own life". I hardly ever hear about the second type of depression. There are psychologists talking stuff like "some people have poor ability to handle stress, are more sensitive and they tend to get depression from little problems".

Maybe other people hear the same? They hear that depression is caused by poor ability to handle problems and they begin to think "wow poor people, let's tell them their problems aren't actually that big". I really think we should talk about both types of depression equally. People tend to think "It's 21st century! Only Africa and North Korea have problems, maybe South America, but North America and Europe?".
 
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Farmmaa

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I don't see problems that have last more than a decade as very damn temporary.
 
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Permanent solution to permanent problems, sounds good to me
 
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"suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
I mostly ignore those people. I degrade myself enough, I don't need someone to personify my stupidity.
 
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life is a temporary problem, nothing is permanent and we all die, but at least we get to choose when to end all of those "temporary" problems.

some people underestimate just how bad our problems are, people who use that "permanent solution to a temporary problem" bullshit argument have never experienced something so bad that makes us want to end our lives, they just show a complete lack of empathy when looking down at the ones who struggle with these issues.
 
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WhyIsLife56

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Another redditor has said it before but I'll say it again "life is the temporary problem" :) So Suicide is the permanent solution to a "temporary problem" ;)
 
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Another redditor has said it before but I'll say it again "life is the temporary problem" :) So Suicide is the permanent solution to a "temporary problem ;)

I don't know why but that made me laugh. I wonder how someone would look if you replied to them with that.
 
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Nemeshisu

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Well atleast it is some solution to problem. Should I really believe pro-lifers and just wait for some magical one in billion chance that actually my life becomes better? Or should I choose something that will surely with 100% chance solve my all problems?

Also not every problem is temporary. And after every ,,temporary problem" another ,,temporary problem" appears. Life is neverending cycle of temporary problems. A best solution would be to never play game of life. Or quit it as soon as possible.
 
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I don't get why it's so hard for other people and Healthcare professionals to accept that sometimes, things jusr don't/won't get get better, there isn't always a silver lining, time won't heal everything. I don't get why it's so hard to digest.
 
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I don't know why but that made me laugh. I wonder how someone would look if you replied to them with that.
Lol yeah I wonder what they'd look like lol they would just probably think I'm crazy or something.
 
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Rena rossy

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I have just seen a commenter on Reddit's r/SW that actually spoke a good rebuttal against the commonly heard cliche of "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

Below is a comment by reddit u/Benzo86



I have also quoted it in case Reddit's mods or admins decide to remove the comment.
Sorry I am crying but this is just... Argh and the part" Sometimes a person gets slapped around to the point where they don't want to fight anymore, sometimes it's not even that they don't believe that things can get better, sometimes people do not want it to get better. They've had their spirit and vitality for life sucked from their very souls. You guys that keep repeating this drivel are not helping anyone, in fact in many cases you are being downright insulting. " Gosh it is just ;-; ;-;
 
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WallsClosingInn

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I like that part about mantra of healthy people.I think thats the key.what do they know about suffering and pain every single day.Thats why they say those things.
 
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Quarky00

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"some people have poor ability to handle stress, are more sensitive and they tend to get depression from little problems".

That really gets to me!

The original notion was palatable - learning to process trauma/pain - but this distorted victim-blaming framing is horrendous.
 
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Jean4

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I would say to the person. Excuse me? Do I know you. I apologize, but I can't remember where we met. We must know each other. Only a psychotic individual would tell a total stranger what to do with their lives.

You don't appear psychotic. Maybe I'm wrong. Where do we know each other from?
 
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DoNotLet2

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I would say to the person. Excuse me? Do I know you. I apologize, but I can't remember where we met. We must know each other. Only a psychotic individual would tell a total stranger what to do with their lives.

You don't appear psychotic. Maybe I'm wrong. Where do we know each other from?
The ability to roast someone is precious <3
 
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Trust me. I am an EXPERT lol
Ofc I do trust you... I have the ability to roast people easily, but sometimes it isn't necessary. Sometimes I make mistakes. There was a website with best roasts and I studied it busily. :P
 
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NotMeant2B

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Yo, @thrw_a_way1221221, I'm starting to like you.
I just want to frame the part that it's really important to me, it just gets me.
If they are going to commit suicide, believe me... they will, and you missed an opportunity to let them feel validated and a last taste of human connection before they went, that's not in vain just because they died, kindness and understanding is always a worthwhile expression of humanness.
That's a beautiful take. Hopefully one day suicide won't be frowned upon.
 
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benzoo86

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Hey guys! I've been lurking here for quite a while. This site with the support and guidance you guys offer, has been THE single most valuable resource available to me in my time of great personal distress.

This site is a haven in a misguided, misinformed world with it's increasingly encroching levels of outrageous, and utterly ignorant censorships. I sincerely believe that on the whole, this site is a positive force for good, one that is wholly responsible for aiding and assisting in the safety and preservation of many, many lives.
This censorship is nothing more than a pursuit of exasperating mental distress, and self harm, masquerading under the guide of harm reduction - it's fucking laughable!

Any feelings of nobility these asshats award themselves is unjust and undeserved, it's a direct insult to the people it swears to protect.
You guys are the true heroes in this plight, and anyone whose head isn't firmly up their own ass could see that a mile away.

So yeah, to introduce myself, I'm the guy that posted that particular reddit comment. As somebody that is genuinely beaten to their knees, that particular phrase has done nothing but add insult injury. I won't elaporate futher, I made my views blatantly clear in my post.

I am going to ctb very soon, it would have happened tonight but my enviromental situation wasn't ideal. It is with 99% likelihood that I will be doing the deed tomorrow night.

Without you awesome people, and this site, I wouldn't have ever been aware about n, never mind how to go about acquiring it. That's not to say you directly had any influence or responsibility in encouraging my death in anyway. I would have been going to cbt regardless. At least now, I have the knowledge, and things I need to make my exit as humane, painless and peaceful as possible. Surely this is reason to commend, not condemn!!
Personally I feel much more dignity passing peacefully in my sleep, than having to be found with a rope around my neck, or worse...

So thank you!!

I wish you all the very best in your own journeys, in whichever direction they may take.
You helped me tremendously during a very stressful time, and I owe the gratitude of the calmness and wellbeing I've felt in these past few months solely to you guys.

One additional note:
I understand that there aren't many - if not any - personal records of successful Nembutal suicides around the threads. So if I'm absent, and don't check in/respond to any potential replies. You can take it to the bank, that my exit via Nembutal was successful. And that is what I wish for more than anything.

I am a human being, and it should be anyone's undisputed right to exit this world on their own terms, with their dignity intact.

Good luck, and goodbye guys <3
 
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Hey guys! I've been lurking here for quite a while. This site with the support and guidance you guys offer, has been THE single most valuable resource available to me in my time of great personal distress.

This site is a haven in a misguided, misinformed world with it's increasingly encroching levels of outrageous, and utterly ignorant censorships. I sincerely believe that on the whole, this site is a positive force for good, one that is wholly responsible for aiding and assisting in the safety and preservation of many, many lives.
This censorship is nothing more than a pursuit of exasperating mental distress, and self harm, masquerading under the guide of harm reduction - it's fucking laughable!

Any feelings of nobility these asshats award themselves is unjust and undeserved, it's a direct insult to the people it swears to protect.
You guys are the true heroes in this plight, and anyone whose head isn't firmly up their own ass could see that a mile away.

So yeah, to introduce myself, I'm the op of that particular reddit post. As somebody that is genuinely beaten to their knees, that particular phrase has done nothing but add insult injury. I won't elaporate futher, I made my views blatantly clear in my post.

I am going to ctb very soon, it would have happened tonight but my enviromental situation wasn't ideal. It is with 99% likelihood that I will be doing the deed tomorrow night.

Without you awesome people, and this site, I wouldn't have ever been aware about n, never mind how to go about acquiring it. That's not to say you directly had any influence or responsibility in encouraging my death in anyway. I would have been going to cbt regardless. At least now, I have the knowledge, and things I need to make my exit as humane, painless and peaceful as possible. Surely this is reason to commend, not condemn!!
Personally I feel much more dignity passing peacefully in my sleep, than having to be found with a rope around my neck, or worse...

So thank you!!

I wish you all the very best in your own journeys, in whichever direction they may take.
You helped me tremendously during a very stressful time, and I owe the gratitude of the calmness and wellbeing I've felt in these past few months solely to you guys.

One additional note:
I understand that there aren't many - if not any - personal records of successful Nembutal suicides around the threads. So if I'm absent, and don't check in/respond to any potential replies. You can take it to the bank, that my exit via Nembutal was successful. And that is what I wish for more than anything.

I am a human being, and it should be anyone's undisputed right to exit this world on their own terms, with their dignity intact.

Good luck, and goodbye guys <3
Hope everything goes well :halo:
 
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TAW122

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@DoNotLet2 Yes, this is well said here. I do believe that most people ignore the circumstantial and situational depression and oftenly brush it under the rug. It has gotten to the point that I don't even like to hear the word 'depression' because it's such a misconstrued word and oftenly interpreted into the wrong context. Temporary sadness? Depression. Feeling down? Depression. Really upset and angry? Depression. The list goes on, but people just don't get it and refuse to acknowledge it so I don't even talk about emotions much anymore. Fuck most of society.

@Amber1974 Same here, I believe some of my problems are 'permanent' and it's just a matter of time when copes run out and/or a strong enough catalyst pushes me to the edge.

@Rena rossy Exactly. It's not even about whether it does get better, it's about whether it's WORTH the investment and effort to get better (assuming that it is possible). Many pro-lifers and anti-suicide people don't seem to get it and would oftenly ignore the last part, especially about whether to get better and if anyone decides to not get better, then these 'pro-lifers and anti-suicide' people will force and project their will onto the suicidal person. It's just barbaric and inappropriate as humans respect many other people

@NotMeant2B Thanks and I also hope that suicide will one day be less of a taboo and people knowing that they can't always keep pushing certain people beyond their limits nor take them for granted.

@benzoo86 Excellent post and glad that you have also found this place. All of what you said is spot on about the world at large and their misguided efforts at 'suicide prevention'. I'm glad that you are able to bring great insight that many people on reddit aren't able to see, which is a voice of reason. Anyways, I wish you the best in your decision and hope you find peace soon.
 
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Rena rossy

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@DoNotLet2 Yes, this is well said here. I do believe that most people ignore the circumstantial and situational depression and oftenly brush it under the rug. It has gotten to the point that I don't even like to hear the word 'depression' because it's such a misconstrued word and oftenly interpreted into the wrong context. Temporary sadness? Depression. Feeling down? Depression. Really upset and angry? Depression. The list goes on, but people just don't get it and refuse to acknowledge it so I don't even talk about emotions much anymore. Fuck most of society.

@Amber1974 Same here, I believe some of my problems are 'permanent' and it's just a matter of time when copes run out and/or a strong enough catalyst pushes me to the edge.

@Rena rossy Exactly. It's not even about whether it does get better, it's about whether it's WORTH the investment and effort to get better (assuming that it is possible). Many pro-lifers and anti-suicide people don't seem to get it and would oftenly ignore the last part, especially about whether to get better and if anyone decides to not get better, then these 'pro-lifers and anti-suicide' people will force and project their will onto the suicidal person. It's just barbaric and inappropriate as humans respect many other people

@NotMeant2B Thanks and I also hope that suicide will one day be less of a taboo and people knowing that they can't always keep pushing certain people beyond their limits nor take them for granted.

@benzoo86 Excellent post and glad that you have also found this place. All of what you said is spot on about the world at large and their misguided efforts at 'suicide prevention'. I'm glad that you are able to bring great insight that many people on reddit aren't able to see, which is a voice of reason. Anyways, I wish you the best in your decision and hope you find peace soon.
and sometimes it is because you just don't have the strength anymore and want everything to stop asap. I really appreciate you sharing this post. I think I' ve read it at least two times. :heart:
 
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thrw_a_way1221221 Yes! This is the case. Is it worth investing. Like autism/Asperger's therapy. It lasts for years and has little effect. Theoretically you someday have decent social skills but when will it be? In 20 years? 40 years? After the youth is already gone? Or debts. What is the point of having debts paid while being 70 years old? I can show a few more examples about having solveable problems that can't be considered temporary.
It really matters when you get fine. Because when you are old you lose a lot of opportunities. It will be hard to find a partner, not to mention having kids, changing job completely will be much harder and when you eventually retire your health is declining very hard. Your ability to live alone will be reduced even if you have decent income. That's why it's important to be done with hard problems before you're old or above 40, but many people don't understand that.
 
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@benzoo86 And what an epic response it was! Seriously, thank you. You deserve to die with dignity and I'm happy for you having the means at your disposal. I hope you will find the peace you're longing for.
 
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PDAnnie2610

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I don't think problems that lasted for more than 10 years are temporary. And if that's the case, I don't see why I can't consider permanent solutions to my permanent problems...
 
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Readytogo#Broken

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I don't get why it's so hard for other people and Healthcare professionals to accept that sometimes, things jusr don't/won't get get better, there isn't always a silver lining, time won't heal everything. I don't get why it's so hard to digest.
% agree...well said, it's slightly patronising, the fact we're here and clear it's obvious many have tried the so called "help" therapist ect, sometimes for someone it's just a viscious circle, no matter how many times we try, so well said, respect ✊
100 % agree...well said, it's slightly patronising, the fact we're here and clear it's obvious many have tried the so called "help" therapist ect, sometimes for someone it's just a viscious circle, no matter how many times we try, so well said, respect ✊