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lili

lili

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Feb 17, 2022
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Hey all.

Curious about this.

I always struggle with telling people about my personal emotions because I'm scared of how they might react wether call the police, mental hospital or react in a terrible manner.

But today I was overheating a group of friends talking about someone I know who's having a bunch of issues. And they were saying how the worst people with issues are the ones who keep everything very quiet. That they are the most dangerous ones.

When I asked why, my friend said that someone who lives a double life like that is essentially a psychopath.

I felt very conflicted by this, because no one has any idea about my intentions. I hide them so well. It made me feel that if I CBT tomorrow without people having a hint would that make them think I'm a psychopath?

Not sure about all this.
 
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onlyanimalsaregood

onlyanimalsaregood

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Mar 11, 2022
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That doesn't make any sense. There are simply some people who can disguise things better than others. I'm unfortunately an open book and what's in my soul shows on my face but it doesn't mean that those who are more reserved and can disguise what they really feel are psychopaths.

The definition of a psychopath is this: A psychopath is characterized by a deviation of character, absence of feelings, coldness, insensitivity to others' feelings, manipulation, narcissism, self-centeredness, lack of remorse and guilt for cruel acts, and inflexibility with punishments and punishments.

So I don't think you fit in this definition. And it is normal to try to hide your suicidal ideation because of the repercussions. I don't tell anyone either.

Sometimes people are just stupid.
 
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demuic

demuic

Life was a mistake
Sep 12, 2020
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Your friend has no idea what they're talking about.
 
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VoidDesirer22

VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
TIL I am a psychopath.
 
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symphony

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Mar 12, 2022
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Lol, nah. With all due respect, they seem ignorant or at least misguided here. Psychopathy is way more complex than "idk, they lie well ig". Besides, someone might rationally want to hide their suicidality for a myriad of normal, healthy reasons.
 
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Al Cappella

Al Cappella

Are we there yet?
Feb 2, 2022
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And all this time I thought it was being able to whack people without feeling guilty! Ooops…
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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I think that it is best to ignore people like that. I always see it as best to keep thoughts of suicide to myself, to me it is what makes sense as we live in a world where suicide is so stigmatised and our right to die is not respected. Others would not accept and understand my decision, it would do no good to tell others.
 
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Musketeer

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Jan 24, 2020
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They wouldn't have to hide it if the state didn't empower psychologists and family/friends to incarcerate these people against their will.
 
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lili

lili

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Feb 17, 2022
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That doesn't make any sense. There are simply some people who can disguise things better than others. I'm unfortunately an open book and what's in my soul shows on my face but it doesn't mean that those who are more reserved and can disguise what they really feel are psychopaths.

The definition of a psychopath is this: A psychopath is characterized by a deviation of character, absence of feelings, coldness, insensitivity to others' feelings, manipulation, narcissism, self-centeredness, lack of remorse and guilt for cruel acts, and inflexibility with punishments and punishments.

So I don't think you fit in this definition. And it is normal to try to hide your suicidal ideation because of the repercussions. I don't tell anyone either.

Sometimes people are just stupid.

Thank you yeah I mean it was painful to hear that and made me really nervous to CBT. It's really sad if people were to think that after someone CBTs. I wish more than anything to be honest with people, but I've learned from past mistakes that being honest has repercussions, and it can be bad ones like people overreacting or getting fed up.

I think that it is best to ignore people like that. I always see it as best to keep thoughts of suicide to myself, to me it is what makes sense as we live in a world where suicide is so stigmatised and our right to die is not respected. Others would not accept and understand my decision, it would do no good to tell others.
Exactly, which is more painful if people were to think that after someone CBT. This world is so sad and unfair.

They wouldn't have to hide it if the state didn't empower psychologists and family/friends to incarcerate these people against their will.
Yeah I got called the police on me at one time and that really affected me.
 
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its-about-time

its-about-time

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Mar 19, 2022
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Those people are just ignorant is all. They likely haven't experienced the kind of struggle people feel compelled to hide. I had a friend casually say once that "people with daddy issues have until they're 25 to get over it, after that I have no empathy." This coming from someone who has a great relationship with her family and definitely doesn't understand the lifelong trauma that parental abuse and neglect causes. It's just plain old ignorance with a dash of movie-fueled stigma, and I'd ignore it if I were you.
 
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NearlyIrrelevantCake

NearlyIrrelevantCake

The Cake Is A Lie
Aug 12, 2021
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BS.

I'm a very kind, empathetic person. I help others often, I have many friends. I'm just a good fucking liar because I was raised by good fucking liars.
 
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whatevs

whatevs

Mining for copium in the weirdest places.
Jan 15, 2022
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I believe it is related, to be honest. Not many in here give a thought to this, but if you are able to kill yourself there are more chances that you could also kill someone else. Not really related with being an actual psychopath (ASPD), but with being able to do something extreme and be secretive about it.

And yes, I consider immoral completely hiding it from the people that care about you. It's better to honor the relationship by letting them know, perhaps gradually slipping the idea into conversations. So if the time comes, it won't be as shocking.

As I always say, I don't even want to do it, but I feel that my hand is forced by destiny, and I have been talking candidly about suicide for at least a year now with my family. I assure you they wouldn't be surprised by now, and it was the right thing to do. And if I had friends they would have gone through the same conditioning.
 
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Insomniac

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May 21, 2021
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Idk if this relates to the topic but I hate people who are obsessed with appearance. These kind of people just want you to believe that they are doing perfect in life and have no flaws. In this case, your friends are right. People like that are definitely psychopaths or narcissists to me.
 
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Dot

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Sep 26, 2021
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Hey all.

Curious about this.

I always struggle with telling people about my personal emotions because I'm scared of how they might react wether call the police, mental hospital or react in a terrible manner.

But today I was overheating a group of friends talking about someone I know who's having a bunch of issues. And they were saying how the worst people with issues are the ones who keep everything very quiet. That they are the most dangerous ones.

When I asked why, my friend said that someone who lives a double life like that is essentially a psychopath.

I felt very conflicted by this, because no one has any idea about my intentions. I hide them so well. It made me feel that if I CBT tomorrow without people having a hint would that make them think I'm a psychopath?

Not sure about all this.
Ur frnds d/ nt undrstnd th defnitn of a psycpth

Tht tlls u all u nd 2 knw
 
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lili

lili

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Feb 17, 2022
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I believe it is related, to be honest. Not many in here give a thought to this, but if you are able to kill yourself there are more chances that you could also kill someone else. Not really related with being an actual psychopath (ASPD), but with being able to do something extreme and be secretive about it.

And yes, I consider immoral completely hiding it from the people that care about you. It's better to honor the relationship by letting them know, perhaps gradually slipping the idea into conversations. So if the time comes, it won't be as shocking.

As I always say, I don't even want to do it, but I feel that my hand is forced by destiny, and I have been talking candidly about suicide for at least a year now with my family. I assure you they wouldn't be surprised by now, and it was the right thing to do. And if I had friends they would have gone through the same conditioning.



I remember after my first attempt I told everyone and people were very supportive.But the more attempts I made, the more traumatized people got and they had to distance themselves because I was affecting them. They would tell me we could no longer be friends. People grew tired. My father was shockingly supportive, but he is a very distant person. I've only lived with him for one year in my whole life, and I barely talk to him. But after my later attempts he got fed up and in one of the psychiatric hospitalizations he told me it was my problem to figure it out. So in other psychiatric hospitalizations and rehab I never told him again.

My brothers have their own problems so they can't handle it. And my mother as well, I rarely speak to her and haven't slept in her house for more than ten years. I don't really have family to talk to. I don't have any friends right now that know me from my past attempts, all the ones I know are new in the picture and they don't know about my past.


I wanted to really tell my friends in a discreet way last night, I was trying to get them to go to a bar, in particular the guy who said the psychopath quote. But no one wanted to go out because they were too tired and had to do work. So I guess it is what it is. Besides what am I going to do? " Hey guys guess what I want to kill myself". I just don't even know how to bring it up. I've been through psychiatric institutions for ten years, medications, therapists. I feel like I don't know what option exists right now other than mental institution and I'm done with that it doesn't work for me. Besides I've only know these friends for two years. It's despicable to be this lonely with new people in my life and admit yeah I don't really have a family that cares. And yeah you are actually my only friends for real.

The friend who said the psychopath statement later admitted to me that his father had shot himself before he was born and never told anyone. I guess that's why he had that opinion. I tried to tell him that it's more complex than that but I don't think he understands.

My ex boyfriend does know me very well, but he has no idea what SN is and he never discovered it. But he does know I'm suicidal. But he also knows I don't want to go to the mental institution. He's told me he will be traumatized forever if I do it. But he is my ex boyfriend and I just don't know how to deal with things anymore.

If some of you read the other posts, the guy I love knows I'm suicidal. I told him one day and he paid a taxi for me to go home. And didn't want to deal with it. He literally doesn't care. His wife stabbed herself and he didn't care about that so why would he care if I kill myself or think about it.

Last thing as I know this is a really long message, I know I will traumatize and hurt people deeply with this, but where are they when I need them the most? I understand people get really affected, but this is the consequence of living in a highly individualistic society. Everyone only cares about themselves. Why would they force me to keep on going when everyone always just leaves and moves on? Their not the ones who stay with the pain of existence like I do. So it's also selfish of them to expect me to keep experiencing life like this.
 
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ornitier199

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Mar 26, 2022
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That friend is a total bitch.
Tell your "friend" you'd love to stay and chat but you're a total bitch.
-stewie
 
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Starryeyes

Starryeyes

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Sep 22, 2021
237
I have lost a few friends to suicide and I'm telling you most of the people that don't understand why someone would end their life and fully ignorant to it. Please don't listen to these people.
 
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woknows

Experienced
Dec 12, 2020
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Hey all.

Curious about this.

I always struggle with telling people about my personal emotions because I'm scared of how they might react wether call the police, mental hospital or react in a terrible manner.

But today I was overheating a group of friends talking about someone I know who's having a bunch of issues. And they were saying how the worst people with issues are the ones who keep everything very quiet. That they are the most dangerous ones.

When I asked why, my friend said that someone who lives a double life like that is essentially a psychopath.

I felt very conflicted by this, because no one has any idea about my intentions. I hide them so well. It made me feel that if I CBT tomorrow without people having a hint would that make them think I'm a psychopath?

Not sure about all this.

Your friend is a moron and does not know what they are talking about.
I believe it is related, to be honest. Not many in here give a thought to this, but if you are able to kill yourself there are more chances that you could also kill someone else. Not really related with being an actual psychopath (ASPD), but with being able to do something extreme and be secretive about it.

And yes, I consider immoral completely hiding it from the people that care about you. It's better to honor the relationship by letting them know, perhaps gradually slipping the idea into conversations. So if the time comes, it won't be as shocking.

As I always say, I don't even want to do it, but I feel that my hand is forced by destiny, and I have been talking candidly about suicide for at least a year now with my family. I assure you they wouldn't be surprised by now, and it was the right thing to do. And if I had friends they would have gone through the same conditioning.

Total BS. It is probably the other way, people who have no problem killing others will hardly contemplate suicide. This is why so many victims of bullying commit suicide and do not take out their oppressors.
 
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GentleJerk

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Dec 14, 2021
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I always hear about how others need to open up and talk about their issues more... It's probably worth a try at least, but those who say that might have an overinflated opinion of how helpful people really are. People often think they're much more helpful than they really are. So telling them certain things might be pointless or even counterproductive, you might even be better served by writing in a diary sometimes.

There are many good reasons why a person might choose to keep certain things to themselves. Not all of us like to broadcast our thoughts to everyone around. In fact it can be dangerous for us, and maybe them as well.
 
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deathbydragon

deathbydragon

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Mar 17, 2022
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Keeping quiet about wanting to off yourself is like survival instinct, in a way. You can't talk about it, you're not allowed to. It's not being a psychopath, it's not wanting to be locked up.
 
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diyCTB

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Oct 28, 2018
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But today I was overheating a group of friends talking about someone I know who's having a bunch of issues. And they were saying how the worst people with issues are the ones who keep everything very quiet. That they are the most dangerous ones

While it is a possibility it is rather exception than rule. Does not mean everyone is a psychopath. But can you blame society for mass media's tendency of instilling fear for excessive coverage of things like school shootings and the way Hollywood portrays mental people in horror movies? Jeffrey Dahmer for example.

Doesn't mean that incels and misanthropes are secretly psychopaths. Some have dormant potential, some secretly are if we are to take Murphy's Law into account.
 
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Glowarm

F*ck everyone and everything
Apr 8, 2022
673
Keeping quiet about wanting to off yourself is like survival instinct, in a way. You can't talk about it, you're not allowed to. It's not being a psychopath, it's not wanting to be locked up.
I agree 100%. I've never had a good experience sharing anything remotely related to wanting to ctb. The threats of cops being called and locked up in mental wards just ingrains in you to hide it.
 
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Weebster

Weebster

Everyone is alone. Everyone is empty.
Mar 11, 2022
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Im so glad I don't have friends I see ever. Most people really are fucking stupid.
 
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BigG91

I'd rather be homeless with good health.
Aug 21, 2021
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Hey all.

Curious about this.

I always struggle with telling people about my personal emotions because I'm scared of how they might react wether call the police, mental hospital or react in a terrible manner.

But today I was overheating a group of friends talking about someone I know who's having a bunch of issues. And they were saying how the worst people with issues are the ones who keep everything very quiet. That they are the most dangerous ones.

When I asked why, my friend said that someone who lives a double life like that is essentially a psychopath.

I felt very conflicted by this, because no one has any idea about my intentions. I hide them so well. It made me feel that if I CBT tomorrow without people having a hint would that make them think I'm a psychopath?

Not sure about all this.
I personally wouldn't care what people think of me once I'm gone...but i pray i don't survive because it will a worse situation to be in and to find another method would be pain.
 
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waitingforrest

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Dec 27, 2021
842
I don't hide it because I want to, it's because I have to. Otherwise I will be treated like a prisoner.
This is something that I have never heard people say until now. Usually it's just the selfish miss you talk.
The term psychopath is thrown around so much that it loses its meaning at this point.

No one would want to say they are suicidal when people view us as violent or criminals.
 
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unimaginativelamp

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Apr 9, 2022
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Oh, the irony of someone wildly unempathic, calling another person a psychopath.
 
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Pluto

Pluto

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Dec 27, 2020
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Last thing as I know this is a really long message, I know I will traumatize and hurt people deeply with this, but where are they when I need them the most? I understand people get really affected, but this is the consequence of living in a highly individualistic society. Everyone only cares about themselves. Why would they force me to keep on going when everyone always just leaves and moves on? Their not the ones who stay with the pain of existence like I do. So it's also selfish of them to expect me to keep experiencing life like this.
I relate to what you've been through. I did tell the only friends that I could trust not to dob me into police, and ultimately those people quietly disappeared from the picture because they are 'busy'. Family is long gone, so that leaves only work colleagues and I deliberately avoid bringing up something so awkward with them when there's no benefit in doing so. In this context, hiding suicidal ideation can be motivated by protecting other people and being professional so as to survive week by week.

I will add one thing though: your life matters and the choice to live or die is the biggest choice you could make. Your time and your energy is precious. Do not waste time on idiots, and do not waste energy worrying about what they think about you in life or after death.

When I say idiots, I refer to the Dunning-Kruger situation, where brash and loud-mouthed people believe they are qualified to comment about topics that they lack any life experience, empathy or education on. To be worthy of your precious time now, someone should be:

- a 'good' survivor of suicidal ideation who can offer respect, compassion and guidance
- a 'good' fellow suicidal person who can bring understanding without shoving you onto the bus
- a 'good' therapist or medical professional who cares and can respond competently
- a 'good' older person who can broaden your horizons and share life experience
- a 'good' community where you will feel accepted and welcomed with a true sense of belonging and purpose
 
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MellowAvenue

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Nov 5, 2020
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Your friend is oversimplifying 2 often stigmatized subject matters. Some psychopaths may be suicidal but to say all suicidal people, or at least all who hid their ideation, is insane. Consider that most likely hide their ideation BECAUSE they are worried about what others will think and don't want to worry others and often feel guilty for thinking that way to begin with, which runs in direct contradiction of the traditional definition of a psychopath.
 
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rabbitlinnt10

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Mar 29, 2022
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that's dumb as fuck, why would people be open and talk about stuff like that without getting out in a straight jacket
 

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