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A 23‐year‐old male with a medical history significant for previous suicide attempts, polysubstance use disorder in remission from alcohol and benzodiazepine use, nicotine dependence, current marijuana use, bipolar disorder, post‐traumatic stress disorder, and irritable bowel syndrome presented to the emergency department via emergency medical services (EMS) after intentional overdose. Patient reported ingesting 2 teaspoons of sodium nitrite he obtained from Walmart.com 6 hours before presentation in an attempt to end his life.
The patient reported losing consciousness after ingestion and waking up in his own vomit and feces. He felt confused and called EMS. In the emergency department (ED), the patient acknowledged nausea, vomiting, and bowel incontinence. He complained of severe diffuse abdominal pain that was 8/10 in severity. He had used marijuana that day. He denied chest pain, shortness of breath, coingestion with other prescription drugs, over‐the‐counter drugs, street drugs, and ethanol. He had no auditory hallucinations, current suicidal ideation, or current homicidal ideation.

The patient presented to the ED appearing ill, ashen, discolored and in distress. He was afebrile, tachycardic to 108, with a respiratory rate at 22, and blood pressure in the 110s systolic. His oxygen saturations were 84% on 6 L nasal cannula. On examination, his skin was ashen gray and he had perioral cyanosis. Cranial nerves were intact, and his cardiopulmonary examination demonstrated mild tachycardia. There were no pulmonary abnormalities. He had diffuse tenderness on his abdomen without rebound, rigidity, or guarding. He had soiled himself and was actively retching.

In the ED, he was switched to a non‐rebreather mask. Minnesota Poison Control was contacted, and the patient was promptly treated with 1 mg/kg intravenous bolus of methylene blue over 5 minutes. Toxicology labs were obtained along with venous blood gas (VBG) with co‐oximetry and methemoglobin levels. He remained stable in the ED, then was transferred to the intensive care unit (ICU) for further evaluation and care. Initial methemoglobin level was found to be 26.3% (0.0‐1.5%). VBG demonstrated pH of 7.39, PCO2 to 33 mmHg with PO2 of 38 mmHg. Complete blood count demonstrated platelet count of 329 and leukocytosis to 23.3 with strong left shift of 18.75. Basic metabolic panel demonstrated a mild decrease in bicarbonate at 19 (22‐29 mmol/L) and increased anion gap 16 (7‐15). Urine drug screen was positive for tetrahydrocannabinol and amphetamines. He denied use of amphetamines, which may be a false positive from bupropion. 10

He was cared for in the ICU overnight on non‐rebreather, then high‐flow nasal cannula, and ultimately transitioned to room air. From a clinical perspective, the patient improved drastically after timely methylene blue treatment with progressively decreasing oxygen requirements. His repeat methemoglobin level trended down to 0.7% within 90 minutes of intravenous methylene blue administration (Figure 1). The patient was transferred to the general medicine floor the next day. He was discharged after 2 nights total in the hospital for further psychiatric care. The patient continues to do well at the time of this report without identifiable long‐term sequela.


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he took it literally almost a week after the article about Matthew Mindler was published and absolutely had no idea what the hell he was doing and probably took it on impulse without any medication or any kind of guide. For all we know he didn't even mix it with water.
 
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The abdominal pain is disturbing. I hope it's not common. As @𝕃1𝕧1𝕟𝕘𝟚𝔻13💀 says maybe it's because he didn't have it with water? Idk

On the plus side, if you do it right, it won't last more than about 20-30 mins before you pass out
 
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The abdominal pain is disturbing. I hope it's not common. As @𝕃1𝕧1𝕟𝕘𝟚𝔻13💀 says maybe it's because he didn't have it with water? Idk
If you read the entire thing it mentions how he took it literally like 4 days after the Matthew Miller article was published. I don't think it's a coincidence at all.
 
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Interesting the pic in the article is SN from DD but the patient said he purchased it from walmart. It's not just a stock pic either, it's got the label hanging off.
 
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Interesting the pic in the article is SN from DD but the patient said he purchased it from walmart. It's not just a stock pic either, it's got the label hanging off.
DD was sold on the jungle site and at Walmart at some point.
 
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The abdominal pain is disturbing. I hope it's not common. As @𝕃1𝕧1𝕟𝕘𝟚𝔻13💀 says maybe it's because he didn't have it with water? Idk

On the plus side, if you do it right, it won't last more than about 20-30 mins before you pass out
True first of it doesn't make sense to wake up in his own vomit wouldn't he just choke on it and does it even matter when hypoxia is doing it's work I think it's what I think not claiming maybe it didn't even work and other people are saying he didn't do it right and I was thinking could we vomit after passing out and stay unconscious while choking on it? What would be the worse consequence I think dying or something? But not really like this severe pain? I don't know it just is already meddling up with my mind.
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It's concerning me I haven't read about these reports or articles yet but seeing just what you wrote I am not feeling good but SN should make you reach it by doing it's work wouldn't hypoxia be doing its job even if you are choking on your vomit what could have happened is he passed out and vomitted is that possible? If he vomitted while conscious he wouldn't be waking up after hours but pain where did it come from? It shouldn't be as painful how come it was 8? I think if vomitting is possible and staying unconscious I haven't read about anything like that yet so I don't know I am asking then you could survive it as you wouldn't be taking your second glass but when is vomitting after falling unconscious possible?
We have some questions and it's just making it worse
 
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True first of it doesn't make sense to wake up in his own vomit wouldn't he just choke on it and does it even matter when hypoxia is doing it's work I think it's what I think not claiming maybe it didn't even work and other people are saying he didn't do it right and I was thinking could we vomit after passing out and stay unconscious while choking on it? What would be the worse consequence I think dying or something? But not really like this severe pain? I don't know it just is already meddling up with my mind.

It's concerning me I haven't read about these reports or articles yet but seeing just what you wrote I am not feeling good but SN should make you reach it by doing it's work wouldn't hypoxia be doing its job even if you are choking on your vomit what could have happened is he passed out and vomitted is that possible? If he vomitted while conscious he wouldn't be waking up after hours but pain where did it come from? It shouldn't be as painful how come it was 8? I think if vomitting is possible and staying unconscious I haven't read about anything like that yet so I don't know I am asking then you could survive it as you wouldn't be taking your second glass but when is vomitting after falling unconscious possible?
We have some questions and it's just making it worse
Yes you can vomit while unconscious. Which makes it possible you could choke on your vomit while unconscious and suffocate. Vomiting while unconscious shouldn't change the effectiveness of SN, I'm pretty sure you'd already have absorbed the lethal dose. I hope that answers your questions
 
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Ether way it should work I was thinking the same choking on vomit isn't peaceful but it shouldn't even matter while unconscious and the pain thing I can't buy it I don't know yet. It's already confusing
Yes you can vomit while unconscious. Which makes it possible you could choke on your vomit while unconscious and suffocate. Vomiting while unconscious shouldn't change the effectiveness of SN, I'm pretty sure you'd already have absorbed the lethal dose. I hope that answers your questions
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Yes you can vomit while unconscious. Which makes it possible you could choke on your vomit while unconscious and suffocate. Vomiting while unconscious shouldn't change the effectiveness of SN, I'm pretty sure you'd already have absorbed the lethal dose. I hope that answers your questions.
And what are the chances of it happening when you followed the things correctly which this guy may not have one more thing if you don't vomit while you are concious for 20-40 minutes whatever the amount of time is what even are the chances of it happening after that keeping in mind the meto dose.
 
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Ether way it should work I was thinking the same choking on vomit isn't peaceful but it shouldn't even matter while unconscious and the pain thing I can't buy it I don't know yet. It's already confusing

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And what are the chances of it happening when you followed the things correctly which this guy may not have one more thing if you don't vomit while you are concious for 20-40 minutes whatever the amount of time is what even are the chances of it happening after that keeping in mind the meto dose.
It's quite possible to vomit while unconscious even with antiemetics, they're not a guarantee that you won't puke. You can be more certain by combining antiemetics from different groups of action. Like ondansetron + domperidone + promethazine or ondansetron+ meto + promethazine
 
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We don't know what position he was in. I believe the choking on own vomit thing happens if you're lying flat on your back. Maybe he was sitting in a chair or had turned to the side etc.

As for the abdominal pain, it says he had irritable bowel syndrome, so I'm not surprised. Literally rubbing salt on wound. SN was just a poor method in his case IMO, and to make it worse he doesn't seem to have followed a regimen. Also, IBS folks have trouble keeping down even normal food, forget a literal poison. So again, it wouldnt be surprising to know that his body quickly got rid of the SN in multiple ways, and it never built up to fatal levels. 26% methemoglobin is way too low generally to cause any effect other than the skin color change and such mild symptoms -- for death to occur it needs to go up to 70%+ from my research.

P.S: I found this site to have a wealth of info related to methemoglobinemia (aka what happens when you do SN). Hope it helps someone (needs free account):
 
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Him waking up again means his oxygen levels restored themselves enough for him to regain consciousness and he went to the ER SIX hours after ingestion. Dude didn't take enough and/or didn't keep it down. A lot of you are hellbent on scaring yourselves out of methods on here.
 
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Wellbutrin can give you a false positive for amphetamines? Did not know that. I take it personally but it for some reason really doesn't do much for me.
 
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Aug 7, 2022
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Any opinions?
I can't do SN... Nausea is absolute torture, had it for months... Everything hurts but at least I don't have violent nausea...
Walmart has SN? Can't we just inject it?

SN sounds like suffocating, like hanging from the inside way too slowly
 
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but why did he wake up? too low dose?
There is not enough information to know for sure. Obviously it had worked to some extent. And the dose should have been enough. Maybe he had food in his stomach.
 
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bump. What went wrong here?
Again this happened a couple of days after the article of Matthew Mindler was released. The article even mentions it. We have no idea what happened. We don't have enough information. He probably didn't follow any guide whatsoever. He probably saw that a celebrity used it and then decided that he would try to go purchase it from a store and do it himself without even knowing what he was doing.
 
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