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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-mari...soning-camp-lejeune-north-carolina-hampstead/
Mass suicide? Accident? Something more?
Mass suicide? Accident? Something more?
todiefor
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- Jun 24, 2023
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Wow, must have been so difficult for them to have opened up, found each other and planned this, if that was not an accident
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Archangel
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Personally, I don't see how it could be an accident. In a carry out's parking lot? I have no idea what kind of car they had, since numerous articles only said it was a "4-door sedan", but newer cars just don't emit enough CO. And even if the car was somehow putting CO into the cabin of the car, chances are not all three would pass out just like that. One of them, at least, would have been able to open up a door and get out. Right now, that's the only opinion I can have until I learn more.
I can see it being an accident just cause this isn't the first time something like this has happened sadly.
young marines who spent the night before drinking and having fun, didn't want to return to base due to DUI repercussions, and thought it'd be better sleeping it off with the engine running.
all it really takes is them drinking and being absolutely hammered, not alert, and it's a wrap from there.
similar situation from two years ago involving two high school students. https://people.com/human-interest/n...bon-monoxide-poisoning-medical-examiner-says/
Unattainable666
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todiefor
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- Jun 24, 2023
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Without being insensitive…but so is this a peaceful method that could actually look like an accident?
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It would have had to have been a very old car emitting copious amount of CO, and well sealed, too. More details will emerge, I'm sure.
No where in that article does it say whether the deaths were from suicide or accidental. It could very well have been a double suicide.
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DeadManLiving
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In view of the independent set of facts below, I think "impartial Juror's" sniff test would return a suicide pact verdict.
The national suicide rate for active-duty men aged 17 – 25 is around 50 per 100,000, 80% percent higher than the rate for civilian men in the same age bracket. The Marines found dead were ages 19, 23 and 23. The inference is that these men were already within the bounds of a higher risk of morbidly.
Officials said no drugs were found in the vehicle and ABC News reported no weapons or signs of attack were found.
All three Marines were motor vehicle operators with Combat Logistics Battalion 2, Combat Logistics Regiment 2, 2nd Marine Logistics Group. Not only did they know each other personally, but possessed specialized training on the risks of motor vehicle carbon monoxide poisoning risk. More so, they would have possessed specialized knowledge on how to manipulate engine parts critical to asphyxiation gas leaks.
They all occupied a privately owned car. Not just a private car, but a car with interior modifications. Lance Corporal even posted several pictures of himself with a silver four door car with distinct interior moderations. Dockery appears to be pictured inside the bejeweled vehicle from Garcia's posts. Garcia made several social media posts about his vehicle, showing off its modified interior.
These modifications even included and funeral-esque, bizzare upholstery:
www.dailymail.co.uk
The pictures alone are very creepy and telling.
Unlike inert gases like nitrogen which failed to activate the body's hypercapnic alarm response system, there is a sense of suffocation or distress / confusion associated with carbon monoxide poisoning which these Marines most absolutely had training on how to detect and maintainice prevention training on specific components which could cause these leaks, and with that - specialized knowledge also how to manipulate critical components on (intentionally) causing these leaks.
If they detected signs of CM poisoning, at least one of them would have been alert (the first or the last) to instinctively open a door and vacate.
Given their training, friendship, and the very eerie pictures they posted of the outreach vehicle moments before they died it is very likely this was no accident.
The national suicide rate for active-duty men aged 17 – 25 is around 50 per 100,000, 80% percent higher than the rate for civilian men in the same age bracket. The Marines found dead were ages 19, 23 and 23. The inference is that these men were already within the bounds of a higher risk of morbidly.
Officials said no drugs were found in the vehicle and ABC News reported no weapons or signs of attack were found.
All three Marines were motor vehicle operators with Combat Logistics Battalion 2, Combat Logistics Regiment 2, 2nd Marine Logistics Group. Not only did they know each other personally, but possessed specialized training on the risks of motor vehicle carbon monoxide poisoning risk. More so, they would have possessed specialized knowledge on how to manipulate engine parts critical to asphyxiation gas leaks.
They all occupied a privately owned car. Not just a private car, but a car with interior modifications. Lance Corporal even posted several pictures of himself with a silver four door car with distinct interior moderations. Dockery appears to be pictured inside the bejeweled vehicle from Garcia's posts. Garcia made several social media posts about his vehicle, showing off its modified interior.
These modifications even included and funeral-esque, bizzare upholstery:
Three US marines 'likely killed by carbon monoxide poisoning'
Tanner J. Kaltenberg, 19, of Madison, Wisconsin, Merax C. Dockery, 23, of Pottawatomie, Oklahoma, and Ivan R. Garcia, 23, of Naples, Florida, were found unresponsive in a car at a NC gas station.
The pictures alone are very creepy and telling.
Unlike inert gases like nitrogen which failed to activate the body's hypercapnic alarm response system, there is a sense of suffocation or distress / confusion associated with carbon monoxide poisoning which these Marines most absolutely had training on how to detect and maintainice prevention training on specific components which could cause these leaks, and with that - specialized knowledge also how to manipulate critical components on (intentionally) causing these leaks.
If they detected signs of CM poisoning, at least one of them would have been alert (the first or the last) to instinctively open a door and vacate.
Given their training, friendship, and the very eerie pictures they posted of the outreach vehicle moments before they died it is very likely this was no accident.
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Stormy Raine
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Maybe that method sounds like a great idea! I'll look up how to do that way, thanks for sharing the story, lucky them finally at peace!
todiefor
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- Jun 24, 2023
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Great analysis!In view of the independent set of facts below, I think "impartial Juror's" sniff test would return a suicide pact verdict.
The national suicide rate for active-duty men aged 17 – 25 is around 50 per 100,000, 80% percent higher than the rate for civilian men in the same age bracket. The Marines found dead were ages 19, 23 and 23. The inference is that these men were already within the bounds of a higher risk of morbidly.
Officials said no drugs were found in the vehicle and ABC News reported no weapons or signs of attack were found.
All three Marines were motor vehicle operators with Combat Logistics Battalion 2, Combat Logistics Regiment 2, 2nd Marine Logistics Group. Not only did they know each other personally, but possessed specialized training on the risks of motor vehicle carbon monoxide poisoning risk. More so, they would have possessed specialized knowledge on how to manipulate engine parts critical to asphyxiation gas leaks.
They all occupied a privately owned car. Not just a private car, but a car with interior modifications. Lance Corporal even posted several pictures of himself with a silver four door car with distinct interior moderations. Dockery appears to be pictured inside the bejeweled vehicle from Garcia's posts. Garcia made several social media posts about his vehicle, showing off its modified interior.
These modifications even included and funeral-esque, bizzare upholstery:
Three US marines 'likely killed by carbon monoxide poisoning'
Tanner J. Kaltenberg, 19, of Madison, Wisconsin, Merax C. Dockery, 23, of Pottawatomie, Oklahoma, and Ivan R. Garcia, 23, of Naples, Florida, were found unresponsive in a car at a NC gas station.
The pictures alone are very creepy and telling.
Unlike inert gases like nitrogen which failed to activate the body's hypercapnic alarm response system, there is a sense of suffocation or distress / confusion associated with carbon monoxide poisoning which these Marines most absolutely had training on how to detect and maintainice prevention training on specific components which could cause these leaks, and with that - specialized knowledge also how to manipulate critical components on (intentionally) causing these leaks.
If they detected signs of CM poisoning, at least one of them would have been alert (the first or the last) to instinctively open a door and vacate.
Given their training, friendship, and the very eerie pictures they posted of the outreach vehicle moments before they died it is very likely this was no accident.
DeadManLiving
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- Sep 9, 2022
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Especially the fact that Lance Corporal posted several pictures of himself with a silver four door car funeral-esque upolstery. Dockery appears to be pictured inside the bejeweled vehicle from Garcia's posts. Garcia made several social media posts about his vehicle, showing off its modified interior.
The article also mentions other modifications were made.
Facebook pics posted by two of them before... pics Below:
Looks like they've outfitted it to appear like a pimped up funeral (car) parlor.
The article also mentions other modifications were made.
Facebook pics posted by two of them before... pics Below:
Looks like they've outfitted it to appear like a pimped up funeral (car) parlor.
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Archangel
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linked the article to shed light on a similar situation and to demonstrate the fact that it does happen.
regardless, they had came out early in the investigation claiming the deaths were accidental, ruling out foul-play, murder-suicide, and drug overdose. https://people.com/human-interest/t...orth-carolina-school-foul-play-not-suspected/
autopsies later confirmed cause of death was accidental carbon monoxide poisoning. https://www.wral.com/amp/19991023/
first article linked and the autopsy helps paint the story and bring context to what may have happened. two high-school students returning from a party, parking behind their school to spend time and hang out (they had dated on and off), may have been under the influence and tired, to then dozing off in a running car (several reasons as to why this happened).
obviously have to wait a couple of months until more details come in for this story to help plug in the holes, but I definitely lean to it likely being accidental. this stuff is more common than we think.
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Archangel
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I think that will never truly ever be known for certain. They may have been smart enough to not discuss their ideation on their phones, hence, no proof of suicide. I stick with my statement that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible without heavy modifications, to die from CO poisoning in newer cars with catalytic converters and other pollution control devices.
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Since an autopsy was done on all of them it must not have been obvious what caused their deaths, which indicates there probably was a leak in the exhaust system of the car.
yep. definitely the most logical explanation. already coming to terms with that idea being likely more than anything. https://www.wect.com/2023/07/27/car...use-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/?outputType=amp
I get where you're coming from, but it isn't impossible at all, especially in newer cars. rare? yes, but not entirely impossible. it still happens and you can easily pull out a couple dozen cases of accidental CO poisoning over the last few years, many of which are tied to issues in relation to the car. example is the fifth-generation ford explorer, legal action was taken against Ford back in 2019 because of owners getting CO poisoning.
many of these cases are almost always involving younger folks as well. may not have had car serviced, always on the road and with frequent stop-overs, normally people have CO readers while they run their car and sleep, common practice.
not to mention the state of the car. sketchy dealerships have always been known to prey on young marines in particular, who aren't in great financial standing. often selling used cars masked behind "military discount" to WOW young service members despite improper inspections. it's been a problem hounding young mariners in particular over the last couple of decades.
we'll have to wait and see, but there's definitely going to be more info that spills out over the next couple of months.
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