2020 paper: 5 separate SN cases (3 deaths) in the California area

[schopenh]

Here you can see the paper in full:

Sci-Hub | Severe Methemoglobinemia and Death From Intentional Sodium Nitrite Ingestions | 10.1016/j.jemermed.2020.06.031

There were five separate cases of intentional ingestion of SN.

Case 1: 18 year old male w/ 15g of SN + 100 mg of dimethyl sulfoxide. Actually showed up to E.R. 12 hours after ingestion w/ confusion and cyanosis - unclear if he was found/brought in an ambulance or literally got there himself. He was treated and didn't die.

Case 2: 16 year old female w/ 60g SN (not clear if this is all). Found and brought to E.R. With aggressive treatment she didn't die. No time frames given.

Case 3: 27 year old male w/ 15g of SN. Again, unclear what really happened. Was treated aggressively but died.

Case 4: 16 year old female w/ unknown amount of SN. Treated aggressively but died. (antidote had to be transported from another hospital)

Case 5: 25 year old male w/ 113g of SN. Called for an ambulance himself. Treated aggressively but died.


So. There was many details missing. Often it wasn't clear exactly what was taken and exactly how events transpired.

I guess the only interesting case is Case 1. 12 hours is a long time. Unclear if this person vomited or whatever. Also unclear why they took the dimethyl sulfoxide supplement; it's used for a variety of things but evidence doesn't really support it for anything.

The moral is always the same with SN. Follow the protocol, make sure you won't be found for a long time, make sure this is what you want as you can potentially be saved.

EDIT 1: of interest is also the age of these people. They are all very young: Mean age of ~20 and a median of 18.

 

[Deleted member 19654]

Case number 5 stands out to me. The guy took 113g of SN? If he called the ambulance himself, I guess there was a part of him that wasn't ready for ctb. It's like he wanted medical help but they couldn't help him.

 

[shorecomingsee yah]

it also says . In the three cases resulting in death, the patients progressed to cardiopulmonary arrest within 1 hour of ingestion , despite treatment with standard doses of methylene blue

 

[Forgotten]

Wow, what's up with the 16 year old girls and 18 year old guy trying to CTB? All three are a little too young to CTB.

 

[MiseryLovesMyCompany]

Wow, what's up with the 16 year old girls and 18 year old guy trying to CTB? All three are a little too young to CTB.

Honestly, I am not surprised at all. Many CTB around that age, or at least attempt it. Even more have suicidal thoughts.

 

[rt1989526]

Very strange and concerning that buddy woke up 12 hours after taking the SN. I am nervous.

 

[LonelyNick]

I have a Fitbit and would love to share my heartbeat if things work out and I have SN on time. I know the rapid heart beats are a worry so I'll see what I can do to share that information!

 

[MiseryLovesMyCompany]

Very strange and concerning that buddy woke up 12 hours after taking the SN. I am nervous.

The article does not say anything about that 12 hours between ingestion and getting to the ER, he might have instantly vomitted most out or anything, also no mention of antacid and he took less than the new recommendation. It might be a bit concerning, but does not deter me in the slightest from going through with the SN method.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'm just sad that they're advocating going after the vendors of SN to make it harder to obtain. It makes sense, but I still don't have to like it. :/

 

[MiseryLovesMyCompany]

The only thing that worries me to some extent is it's popularity, which increases continously. We can have access to SN easily, a bit harder if you don't live in the US or other countries that does not regulate it that much YET, but it still remains accessible for many. The question is for how long, others who will want to CTB in the future might have to resort to more gruesome or painful methods, as sooner or later SN will be regulated so much that it will be almost as hard to acquire as N right now. Our luck is that it is used by many industries, so it certainly won't be banned.

 

[shorecomingsee yah]

Very strange and concerning that buddy woke up 12 hours after taking the SN. I am nervous.

i think it was because of the dmso,
there have been a couple people that have mixed them and been unsucesfull if you look at the non fatal sn attemps doc.
but idk

 

[rt1989526]

i think it was because of the dmso,
there have been a couple people that have mixed them and been unsucesfull if you look at the non fatal sn attemps doc.
but idk

Why would they take DMSO? Was this part of the regimen in the past?

 

[polarbear]

i started having suicidal thoughts when i was around 17/18 .Thats when the depression kicks in and you have no idea how to deal with it

 

[Blurred_Reality]

"Given that sodium nitrite is readily accessible
through online vendors, and is being circulated through
various suicide forums, it has the potential to be more
commonly encountered in the emergency department."

So they clearly know all about it.

A good thing for people who have taken it accidentally or for those who change their mind about CTB as the antidote will be more readily accessible.

 

[deleted]

Wow, what's up with the 16 year old girls and 18 year old guy trying to CTB? All three are a little too young to CTB.

I wish my death since my childhood and postponing it was the worst possible decision, I wish I had killed myself when I was 12

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Very strange and concerning that buddy woke up 12 hours after taking the SN. I am nervous.

Have you tested your SN to ensure its pure enough? Also no way of knowing how the DMSO affected it, there was a failure of a forum member who drank the same amount of SN in DMSO. I wonder if it was the same guy, though the member reported being found after 90 minutes.

Date: 2/20/19
Member: @VoloFataliDoce
Fasting: Didn't report
SN & water amount prepared: A little over 15 g, DMSO didn't measure, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Nausea, headache, drowsiness, dizziness, passed out
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Neigbor looked in window 90 minutes after ingesting, called emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

 

[checkouttime]

The article does not say anything about that 12 hours between ingestion and getting to the ER, he might have instantly vomitted most out or anything, also no mention of antacid and he took less than the new recommendation. It might be a bit concerning, but does not deter me in the slightest from going through with the SN method.

could also be the wrong type of SN. I have seen members looking into buying SN but it was actually only 0.6%,when looked at more closely. purity might have been an issue also.

the fact that someone took less than recommended is what sticks out to me the most. so out of the 5 we defiantly know 3 had legit stuff, one even taking less than recommended. the other 2 all we know is one didn't take the correct amount, but another person took the same amount and did CTB. so it says to me there is something wrong with the purity/maybe got the wrong stuff.

 

[schopenh]

Wow, what's up with the 16 year old girls and 18 year old guy trying to CTB? All three are a little too young to CTB.

Yea, it certainly feels much more tragic and less likely to be rational but who knows what was going on.

I'm just sad that they're advocating going after the vendors of SN to make it harder to obtain. It makes sense, but I still don't have to like it. :/

Since it's a journal of law and the trade of the goods is illegal, it makes sense. But, deep down it's clearly just virtue signalling.

The only thing that worries me to some extent is it's popularity, which increases continously. We can have access to SN easily, a bit harder if you don't live in the US or other countries that does not regulate it that much YET, but it still remains accessible for many. The question is for how long, others who will want to CTB in the future might have to resort to more gruesome or painful methods, as sooner or later SN will be regulated so much that it will be almost as hard to acquire as N right now. Our luck is that it is used by many industries, so it certainly won't be banned.

I've been thinking this. We are 'lucky' (for lack of a better word) to have hit the sweet spot in time where this isn't being as tightly regulated. I really don't think stricter SN regulations would achieve anything though.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Why would they take DMSO? Was this part of the regimen in the past?

No, but there used to be a lot of talk about it on the forum, maybe because it's a solvent? You can put DMSO in the search. I know one guy failed drinking it, I included in a comment above, and a female tried putting SN and DMSO on her skin, it's in the failures and successes thread. Since I've been on the forum, DMSO hasn't been a thing anymore.

 

[schopenh]

i think it was because of the dmso,
there have been a couple people that have mixed them and been unsucesfull if you look at the non fatal sn attemps doc.
but idk

You hardly have a link to the fatal doc?

i started having suicidal thoughts when i was around 17/18 .Thats when the depression kicks in and you have no idea how to deal with it

And you start the mill of meds because you trust the doctors

A good thing for people who have taken it accidentally or for those who change their mind about CTB as the antidote will be more readily accessible.

Absolutely

 

[MiseryLovesMyCompany]

This article did not give detailed information of the attempts, which is why our well documented cases come in handy. Respect for @LetzteAusfahrt for going through all that trouble just for us, may he rest in peace. Every detail we can gather gives a better picture of this method. I personally have no doubt that it works if the person follows the protocol, even if it is uncomfortable to some degree. Altough with hearing new experiences we are able to tailor it better, or at least know what to expect and be at ease when our time comes.

 

[rt1989526]

Have you tested your SN to ensure its pure enough? Also no way of knowing how the DMSO affected it, there was a failure of a forum member who drank the same amount of SN in DMSO. I wonder if it was the same guy, though the member reported being found after 90 minutes.

Waiting for my test kit to arrive. I have one bottle of 99.6% purity from the crafts site and one 97% purity direct from a chemical supplier. I really hope it's the real deal.

 

[fox21132113]

Wow, what's up with the 16 year old girls and 18 year old guy trying to CTB? All three are a little too young to CTB.

Isn't it obvious why they ctb. They are just like anyone else

 

[kqlysrsly]

The age isn't interesting at all.
Girls finds out that life is shit and not worth it at 15-18 approximately while guys usually finds out at about 20-25.
Basically it's about maturity level.

 

[AJ95]

1 & 5 are interesting to me.

#1, the guy was still awake after 12 hours from 15g?

I'm assuming he took 15g, passed out, woke up hours later and realized he wasn't dead so he got himself to the hospital?

#5, wow 113g? Not surprised he died tbh, that's a fucking ton of SN lol. Sad that he called the ambulance on himself though, he must've realized after he took it that he didn't want to die and panicked. Poor guy :(

 

[Disappointered]

After the recent thread of someone not having a peaceful passing from SN I don't think i would be willing to take it anymore.

 

[Antigonish]

After the recent thread of someone not having a peaceful passing from SN I don't think i would be willing to take it anymore.

Never favored the idea, more conventional means are best.

 

[Meditation guide]

Case 5: 25 year old male w/ 113g of SN. Called for an ambulance himself. Treated aggressively but died.

How would someone drink 113 g of it. Then survive long enough to get to the hospital. That must be the world's record for biggest quantity. He must have drunk it four or five times.

 

[elfgyoza]

1 & 5 are interesting to me.

#1, the guy was still awake after 12 hours from 15g?
I'm assuming he took 15g, passed out, woke up hours later and realized he wasn't dead so he got himself to the hospital?

#5, wow 113g? Not surprised he died tbh, that's a fucking ton of SN lol. Sad that he called the ambulance on himself though, he must've realized after he took it that he didn't want to die and panicked. Poor guy :(

#5 is an insane amount but I'm hoping he called an ambulance because he knew there was no bringing him back, he just wanted to be found. There's no way of knowing ofc but he probably did feel a bit panicked :/

 

[Meditation guide]

#5 is an insane amount but I'm hoping he called an ambulance

Can you imagine drinking 113 g. of SN and still being alive and able to call an ambulance? I guess he did feel panicked when he kept on drinking it and didn't even lose consciousness. The poor guy! He definitely wanted to die to drink that much.