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Why did the swizz org up the dose from 12g N to 15? Does it even matter at those high doses?
Is it speed wise? Faster death ?
Is it speed wise? Faster death ?
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Does it matter if you previously was on SSRI but weaned off years ago?I may be wrong but I thought they went from 10-15g.
Either way, the reason they upped the dose was to avoid the oulier cases where someone has a specific and unusual circumstance which makes things take much longer. I forget what the cut off point is. It's many hours. At that point they hwve to have a doctor intervene and finsh things via IV. This is more for the family suffering/waiting and the awkwardness of the situation. IIRC. 15g is just a sort of shotgum approach to getting the job more quickly and reliably. Chances are the people would have passed anyway. Just taking longer. Digestive issues and ssri medications are known to impact the time it takes to pass. They are said to extend the coma phase.
Ok. Yeah, I understand I'm maybe fetching for answers in the dark here because honestly, who knows for real.I don't thinknit matters if you're fully weaned off your SSRI and I think some that are on it have still been successful so I can't offer specifics really. Just what I seen and read here.
Drinking daily may provide sone tolerance to barbiturates but the dose may be enough to overide any cross tolerance issues. I thinknyou'd need to search around a bit for mre precise answers on that one. Also drinking before taking N is not a good idea because it raised the possibility of vomiting substantially. Again, do sone research on that. Not everyone is the same but there was someone who failed here that had been drinkong though I don't think they drink heavily regularly. There were other factors to their survival too. They were found and had vomited after not drinking all of their N. They drank it too slowly and it appears like it knocked them out before they got it all down. The fact they were laying a pool of vomit isn't to be overlooked though.
Where did you get this information? From "swizz org" that isWhy did the swizz org up the dose from 12g N to 15? Does it even matter at those high doses?
Is it speed wise? Faster death ?
What source? In this thread you say the same thing: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/1-or-2-bottles-of-n.77310/page-2#post-1391385Have it from a very reliable source that you need one 100ml bottle (contains 6g of N) per 110 pounds of body weight.
Not sure about ex-opioid users, but long-term heavy drinkers also would have 'trained' their livers to be very effective at processing and ejecting toxins.
Someone in here today made a very good point about Dignitas in that all their clients tend to be frail, elderly and terminally ill to begin with.
According to PPH, Dilantin will eliminate any possibility of an extended coma. So if you dissolve that into the N, you will not be looking at several hours but 1-2 hours for deliverance.I drank heavily in my past, and on occasion still. Also a regular user of opiates... now I'm wondering if I will need 3 bottles. I want it to work fast, and swiftly. I don't want to be one of the people lying there for up to several hours before death occurs.
Just looked up side effects of this drug, this stuff seems even more hardcore than meto...According to PPH, Dilantin will eliminate any possibility of an extended coma. So if you dissolve that into the N, you will not be looking at several hours but 1-2 hours for deliverance.
I don't think you will have time to feel those side effects, the N will kick-in in 5-10 min.Just looked up side effects of this drug, this stuff seems even more hardcore than meto...
Dyskinesia, High Blood Sugar, Involuntary Movements, Angioedema, Over Excitement, Constipation, Drowsiness, Dizziness, Nausea And Vomiting, Nervousness, Slow Heartbeat, Hypersensitivity, Abnormal Muscle Movements, Difficulty Sleeping, Muscle Twitching, Taste Impairment, Headache, A Feeling Of Pins And Needles On Skin, Irritability...
Nope. It's 1 min.I don't think you will have time to feel those side effects, the N will kick-in in 5-10 min.
I've never seen anywhere that says it's one minute.Nope. It's 1 min.
Can't remember, sorry.I've never seen anywhere that says it's one minute.
By the way, where did you find the information on the "swizz org" increasing the dose from 12 to 15 g?
Can't remember, sorry.
Look at the Dignitas video of Smedley. He sleeps in about a minute after taking N.
He's even denied a glass of water directly after ingestion
15 grams means 3 bottles imo. So i'd have to get 3 bottles and i could test part of the 3rd bottle with a lab.I may be wrong but I thought they went from 10-15g.
Either way, the reason they upped the dose was to avoid the oulier cases where someone has a specific and unusual circumstance which makes things take much longer. I forget what the cut off point is. It's many hours. At that point they hwve to have a doctor intervene and finsh things via IV. This is more for the family suffering/waiting and the awkwardness of the situation. IIRC. 15g is just a sort of shotgum approach to getting the job more quickly and reliably. Chances are the people would have passed anyway. Just taking longer. Digestive issues and ssri medications are known to impact the time it takes to pass. They are said to extend the coma phase.
How much of Dilantin then?According to PPH, Dilantin will eliminate any possibility of an extended coma. So if you dissolve that into the N, you will not be looking at several hours but 1-2 hours for deliverance.
Probably need 3 then , is my guess.I drank heavily in my past, and on occasion still. Also a regular user of opiates... now I'm wondering if I will need 3 bottles. I want it to work fast, and swiftly. I don't want to be one of the people lying there for up to several hours before death occurs.
The issue is your liver, not your brain.Probably need 3 then , is my guess.
If your brain is used to opiates then this N will probably work slower
I've read about the GABA receptors and if you're an alcoholic the N will kill you slower because it works on the same parts.The issue is your liver, not your brain.
1-2gmHow much of Dilantin then?
Probably need 3 then , is my guess.
If your brain is used to opiates then this N will probably work slower
Many of them are on opioid medication too. Something worth noting I think. It's not ideal to be on opiates but from what I gather it's not a cross tolerance issue. Seems like the issue with N and opioid meds is that it slows digestion which can in turn slow the affects/absorbtion of N. I think people are still successful under these circumstances though.Have it from a very reliable source that you need one 100ml bottle (contains 6g of N) per 110 pounds of body weight.
Not sure about ex-opioid users, but long-term heavy drinkers also would have 'trained' their livers to be very effective at processing and ejecting toxins.
Someone in here today made a very good point about Dignitas in that all their clients tend to be frail, elderly and terminally ill to begin with.
Question is if it matters if you've been on opioids like 2 weeks straight before taking N or if it matters at all if you take like one OxyContin at the same time with N.Many of them are on opioid medication too. Somethings worth noting I think.
The issue with N and opioid meds is that it slows digestion which can in turn slow the affects of N.
Search KNMG-KNMP_Euthanasie_Digi_ENG in the search bar and you should find a pdf file that contains the protocols used by dignitas etc. It's a useful document and explains the issues talked about and queried often. It also has an ingredient list for their N recipe.
I've been on an opioid rx for years, so I am very interested in the interaction with N. I will check out your info and still welcome any other insights on this. It's been hard to get this information. I've asked a couple of times.Many of them are on opioid medication too. Something worth noting I think. It's not ideal to be on opiates but from what I gather it's not a cross tolerance issue. Seems like the issue with N and opioid meds is that it slows digestion which can in turn slow the affects/absorbtion of N. I think people are still successful under these circumstances though.
Search KNMG-KNMP_Euthanasie_Digi_ENG in the search bar and you should find a pdf file that contains the protocols used by dignitas etc. It's a useful document and explains the issues talked about and queried often. It also has an ingredient list for their N recipe.
I think you might risk a prolonged coma phaseI've been on an opioid rx for years, so I am very interested in the interaction with N. I will check out your info and still welcome any other insights on this. It's been hard to get this information. I've asked a couple of times.
Yeah, I had/have similar concerns and it took a bit of digging around to get anywhere. I don't think there's any info that goes into length/detail on it. Obviously at a legal euthanasia facility there is a doctor on hand to admister a back up lethal injection if things appear to be taking too long. It appears as though that's more for the benefit of the family and friends attending. It states that a protracted time to pass can be awkward for everyone involved. It doesn't state that they won't eventually pass though. I've come to think that the fasting period leading upto N ingestion and the AE (metoclopramide specifically as it speeds gastric transit) should be enough to avoid the complications of opiate/opioid use. Its important to take into consideration other factors like digestive issues too though. This conversation comes around quite often on SS along with suggestions on how else to ingest/imbibe the N and ways to get around the taste issues. It's easy to psyche yourself out with a bit of SI but I think it's healthy to consider these factors objectively.I've been on an opioid rx for years, so I am very interested in the interaction with N. I will check out your info and still welcome any other insights on this. It's been hard to get this information. I've asked a couple of times.
What factors ?Yeah, I had similar concerns and it took a bit of digging to get anywhere but I don't think there's any info that goes into length. Obviously at a legal euthanasia facility there is a doctor on hand to admister a back up lethal injection if things appear to be taking too long. It appears as though that's more for the benefit of the family and friends attending. It states that a protracted time to pass can be awkward for everyone involved. It doesn't state that they won't eventually pass though. I've come to think that the fasting period leading upto N ingestion and the AE (metoclopramide specifically as it speeds gastric transit) should be enough to avoid the complications of opiate/opioid use. Its important to take into consideration other factors like digestive issues too though. This conversation comes around quite often on SS along with suggestions on how else to ingest/imbibe the N and ways to get around the taste issues. It's easy to psyche yourself out with a bit of SI but I think it's healthy to consider these factors objectively.
The factors I already outlined in my post.What factors ?
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