Heard yew seeds are highly toxic within just a few hours using only very few seeds, and they are very easy and cheap to obtain. Is this method too good to be true?
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satou
not yet
- Sep 3, 2018
- 225
I've found little information on reliability, but some people do succeed with this method. However, some subspecies are much less poisonous than others.
Apparently it's possible to create a tincture. Use search function here.
I assume it has the same problems as other overdose methods, like throwing up and not absorbing enough of it.
Apparently it's possible to create a tincture. Use search function here.
I assume it has the same problems as other overdose methods, like throwing up and not absorbing enough of it.
windingdown
Specialist
- Sep 10, 2018
- 367
I've been interested in plant poisoning, too. I have pong pong seeds - my reading around plant poisons suggested this was the most reliable suicide plant (it's often called the 'suicide tree').
I forget why I moved on from yew. One thing to consider is the kind of death they cause, i.e. I believe hemlock can make you feel you are suffocating.
If you find out more information on yew poisoning, perhaps some visitors here would be interested to read about it.
SamK
Cloud Surfing
- Aug 21, 2018
- 280
Yews are very toxic , the berries and the bark. I'm not entirely sure about using the seeds as a method but i imagine you'd be very ill at least...probably woul be successful if you consumed enough
I tried this last week. 250 seeds and 56 grams of leaves. Nothing happened and I have heart disease. It didn't even bother my stomach one tiny bit. I was very let down. Oh well, on to the next idea!
satou
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- Sep 3, 2018
- 225
How did you take them, did you grind them up or anything? And do you know which subspecies you used? The Pacific yew (from western USA coast) is supposed to be the least poisonous.
Yes, I ground them up because it was too many to chew. I cut the leaves up pretty fine. I'm not sure what species, they are very common in Kentucky and I have been told since a child that they are poison.
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satou
not yet
- Sep 3, 2018
- 225
Interesting that you didn't even get a stomach ache. You'd think that would happen even with non-poisonous plants...
Thank you for sharing your experience.
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windingdown
Specialist
- Sep 10, 2018
- 367
Yes, thank you. That's such a surprise. I'm sorry it was such a letdown.
Cheap plant poisons would be a panacea, if they were reliable and quick. There's yew, hemlock, pong seeds, ground cherry seeds (cyanide)...
DetachedDreamer97
Enlightened
- Mar 17, 2018
- 1,402
Yes. And the only reliable antiemetic for the vomiting part are anticholinergics from datura inoxia/brugmansia seeds.
A guy tried it with meto that was ineffective.
What species of yew were the seeds, was it Taxus baccata? Where did you get them? Online, or picked locally? Is it possible that the seeds could have been damaged in transit, or even cooked? Did the seller have positive results with them growing (for less suicidal gardeners wanting to grow yew)? Did you have a full stomach that possibly slowed the absorption of the poison?
I just bought my seeds from a bunch of sellers and will mix up batches in case some are no good
Also I cannot get some reliable information on the level of agony from this method. To me it seems you get a bad stomach ache before muscle spasming (convulsions), rapid heart rate, and then slow heart rate before the heart ultimately just stops beating. Seems like a pretty good way to go, but I am only basing this inference on the information I have just barely gleaned, and honestly cannot reliably be certain. A lot of my (limited) information comes from studies on dogs or horses which have different physiologies than humans, so I'm not sure how much I can trust it. News stories I've uncovered often find victims of yew poisoning after they have already died, so it doesn't seem like people hear them screaming in agony in time to call for help
Also I'm not sure about the time table of death. One source says as few as three seeds can kill, some news sources make it appear just a brush up against a leaf or two can kill, one source says death can occur in minutes, one research paper I found said the average death was within 2 hours, and still others say poisoning can take from 4 hours to a few days
Not sure what species, locally picked in Kentucky. I too found conflicing information. I wanted to be somewhat confident in my attempt so i used both seed and leaves. I had a small amount of food on my stomach to avoid the nausea I had read about.
satou
not yet
- Sep 3, 2018
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Toxicity levels seem to be much higher in winter. Perhaps an adaptation to prevent animals from browsing when other plants have lost their leaves.
DetachedDreamer97
Enlightened
- Mar 17, 2018
- 1,402
The seeds are always at a constant 0.92 percent. At least when matured.
DetachedDreamer97
Enlightened
- Mar 17, 2018
- 1,402
On another note, with the seeds, the oil is very different from the oil in the leaves... by that, I mean they are thicker and not volatile and seem to be harder to extract. That said, they are fats. But luckily, since the oil from the seeds are a mixture of fatty acids, you could probably add sodium carbonate (washing soda), to turn the fats into soap, allowing them to become water soluble. And do the gentle simmering like you would the leaves by default.
Leo
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- Sep 28, 2018
- 110
I think even if some poisons might be lethal (from plants and chemicals), they definately cause lot of pain before dying. And losing conciousnessness will take a while with lot of pain by damaging organs or any other body functions.
StarDust
Mage
- Aug 21, 2018
- 508
It doesn't make you feel as if you are suffocating, it suffocates you. It paralysis your system in effect your lung as a consequence. You are fully aware until you passout.
Wait so you picked seeds and leaves from some random tree in Kentucky? Doesn't sound too carefully planned out. Did the seeds look like mini acorns without the caps on?
Joeydoe
Member
- Aug 17, 2022
- 71
well drugs listed are antagonists of muscarinic receptors which means that they do block them. so they do posses antiemetic properties due to participation of m3 receptors in emesis.
but it's very hard to follow a proper dosage for plant anticholinergic sources as these components are highly toxic and theirs amount in a individual plant is always uncertain and death is painful in case of overdose
Muscarinic acetylcholine receptor M3 - Wikipedia
Muscarinic acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia
DetachedDreamer97
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- Mar 17, 2018
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Thanks!well drugs listed are antagonists of muscarinic receptors which means that they do block them. so they do posses antiemetic properties due to participation of m3 receptors in emesis.
but it's very hard to follow a proper dosage for plant anticholinergic sources as these components are highly toxic and theirs amount in a individual plant is always uncertain and death is painful in case of overdose
Muscarinic acetylcholine receptor M3 - Wikipedia
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Muscarinic acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia
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Joeydoe
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- Aug 17, 2022
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Symptoms of nausea and vomiting may be reduced by centrally active muscarinic cholinergic, histamine, dopamine, serotonin, or substance P (neurokinin-1) receptor antagonists. So datura, in fact, is not the only option.
Serotonergic Antagonist - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
DetachedDreamer97
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- Mar 17, 2018
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Maybe... but I'm suggesting due to a message I've had years ago on reddit, when someone tried the yew. He took the meto and puked it up.Symptoms of nausea and vomiting may be reduced by centrally active muscarinic cholinergic, histamine, dopamine, serotonin, or substance P (neurokinin-1) receptor antagonists. So datura, in fact, is not the only option.
Serotonergic Antagonist - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
www.sciencedirect.com
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