Discussion Would you label yourself a productive member of society? Explain why

[ThatStateOfMind]

Just kind of curious. I was thinking and was wondering if you guys feel that you are "productive members of society?".

I'll go first. I think my answer is a mix of yes and no. I've had jobs, paid taxes, etc. and am a full time student. I feel, though, that I don't contribute much to society. Nor do I ever think I will. I applied to be a substitute teacher once and I felt like I could make a difference with that job. Unfortunately, was rejected due to age (wasn't confirmed but that was my suspicion. I was one of the only people with any form of college education trying to substitute). So I couldn't make a difference.

 

[Namelesa]

Fluff No. I dropped out of college, don't work, and don't really provide anything except my existence. For some reason my family wants me alive and takes care of me without needing to do much for them (kinda wish they would kick me out so I can more easily ctb). I am trying to develop games but most people would probably not like them cus of their high difficulty. I am not productive at all and I honestly I don't care cus I didn't ask for this life.

 

[LostLily]

Arguably because I have a full time job. But I don't contribute to my parent"s household either financially or help out with chores. If I attempt to help with chores my parents yell at me for messing it up so I don't even bother

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

Fluff No. I dropped out of college, don't work, and don't really provide anything except my existence. For some reason my family wants me alive and takes care of me without needing to do much for them (kinda wish they would kick me out so I can more easily ctb). I am trying to develop games but most people would probably not like them cus of their high difficulty. I am not productive at all and I honestly I don't care cus I didn't ask for this life.

That's fair. I'm trying to make it through college and at least get that done. Even though I'm not even certain I wanna work in this field anymore, college is still a goal I set for myself, and I want to see it through, even if it's one of the last things I do.

I feel you on the "not asking for this life" part. It's the only part of antinatalism I 100% understand. If I may ask, how old are you? You can give a range if you're not comfortable giving an age, or you can just decline to answer as well, lol.

Arguably because I have a full time job. But I don't contribute to my parent"s household either financially or help out with chores. If I attempt to help with chores my parents yell at me for messing it up so I don't even bother

Felt that. My mom gets mad when I try to help, because she wants things done a certain way. I don't have a job. I'm also planning on moving soon to be closer to my college campus, so I don't have to commute 40 minutes one way per week, and getting a job there.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I'm in the ''I do volunteering, leave me alone'' category lmao.

 

[Namelesa]

That's fair. I'm trying to make it through college and at least get that done. Even though I'm not even certain I wanna work in this field anymore, college is still a goal I set for myself, and I want to see it through, even if it's one of the last things I do.

I feel you on the "not asking for this life" part. It's the only part of antinatalism I 100% understand. If I may ask, how old are you? You can give a range if you're not comfortable giving an age, or you can just decline to answer as well, lol.

I am 19. Good luck with rest of college. I can't handle any education environments.

 

[crocune]

34 year old here, after graduating college I've been a neet more than not (depression, self loathing, low sense of self worth), no career, only working when people need or want me to, no idea how to progress in the world while my friends my age and a generation younger than me have surpassed me in terms of life

It's probably why I want to ctb so much.

Applied to go back to school but job prospects are grim, economy is bad, and I don't know if it will lead anywhere and I'll just end up wasting time and money. Thinking about it gives me extremely severe panic attacks and every day I wake up with pain in my chest wanting to die.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

I'm in the ''I do volunteering, leave me alone'' category lmao.

Lmao, at least you're contributing I suppose. I volunteered a few times at an animal shelter but the cat litter boxes really deterred me from it.

I am 19. Good luck with rest of college. I can't handle any education environments.

It's 50/50 for me, very dependent on my mood. Sometimes I thrive, sometimes I crash and burn.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

Lmao, at least you're contributing I suppose. I volunteered a few times at an animal shelter but the cat litter boxes really deterred me from it.

i'm with a ''salvation army'' style shop lol, kinda just get to see all the good stuff first, and im not with the poor guys who sort all the potentially disgusting stuff uwu

 

[ignorableaurochs]

No, absolutely not. I believe it's important to live a 'societally useful' life and I have received so many privileges that I feel awful that I am unable to 'give back'. I am so unwell that it makes me horribly self-centred & I can't do anything. Earlier in my life I was hoping to make a difference with my career but I now feel like I will never get better or fulfil that - so why keep suffering.

 

[human909]

For me it's a definitely no, i have no helpful impact on society whatsoever.

 

[InversedShadow]

As for the moment, no, I dont actually label myself as a productive member of the society, Im not even a proactive member Im just passive, I have only been studying, my family doesnt encourage working, and I would like to work in my profession, it's hard to enter the job market though. As for my daily life, Im not really that productive, it's hard for me to come up with the ideas, let alone continue them so often I just do what Im told, with occasional things that I do from time to time.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

LOL, have you seen how shitty kids are these days? They are beyond help. No one can make any difference in their lives and their stupid parents will you crap even if you tried.

I used to be a very productive and giving member of society. Then I got old and realized it's all pointless and unappreciated. So now I pretty much just waste my life away so that I will be more inclined to kill myself sooner.

Humans really just need to waste away and go extinct. Humanity just keeps getting exponentially worse year after year. Not that we ever good in tehe first place.

 

[L'absent]

Productivity is an inherently relative concept. What is considered productive varies depending on an individual's values and priorities. Often, the economic and social system rewards activities that do not necessarily benefit the planet, such as industrialization and pollution, but focus on immediate gains. Environment and sustainability, for example, may be secondary for those who don't see a direct connection between their actions and the long-term effects on the planet. Ultimately, productivity depends on how we view the system. You can only feel like a "parasite" if you share the values of that specific system, but it's up to you. I've never felt that way and don't care about the system's values—it's not something I define as important.
The only thing that really interests me in this system is the biological one, and the suffering that comes with it. The goal is to understand how to limit this suffering, how to make it as less intense as possible, and ultimately, how to disappear from this biological system. I don't care about conforming to any other system other than one that seeks to minimize the pain of this body and the mind that inhabits it.

 

[areyousafe??]

I tried to be. I did full time work up until last year when I was fired for being unproductive. I've come to realise that I'm too emotionally fucked up to attempt doing full time work again. Hopefully will ctb soon before I become a leech of society.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No and I don't want to be because I don't want society to exist in the first place. Society is inherently natalist and I refuse to support natalism so I'm going to ctb as early as I can. I don't ever want to support society

 

[undoinglife]

I feel like I was a produtive member of society until recently, I work in sales, but probably not for long. Work is productive for corporate greed and appeasing shareholders. My boss makes 6 figures and I've yet to see any benefit. I ended up with mental illness and pills that don't work

 

[CutToRelease]

Fluff No. I dropped out of college, don't work, and don't really provide anything except my existence. For some reason my family wants me alive and takes care of me without needing to do much for them (kinda wish they would kick me out so I can more easily ctb). I am trying to develop games but most people would probably not like them cus of their high difficulty. I am not productive at all and I honestly I don't care cus I didn't ask for this life.

Yoo same I live with my bfs parents. If I was homeless it would be easy to just disappear and never reaper. Then they could have the data by that I just vanished.

Also to answer the post no, I got no job and kind just skat around and exist.

 

[brokeandbroken]

Just kind of curious. I was thinking and was wondering if you guys feel that you are "productive members of society?".

I'll go first. I think my answer is a mix of yes and no. I've had jobs, paid taxes, etc. and am a full time student. I feel, though, that I don't contribute much to society. Nor do I ever think I will. I applied to be a substitute teacher once and I felt like I could make a difference with that job. Unfortunately, was rejected due to age (wasn't confirmed but that was my suspicion. I was one of the only people with any form of college education trying to substitute). So I couldn't make a difference.

No I did my best not only be a productive member of society but a successful one at that. Even went to medical school where I was robbed of all opportunity to be when I was the victim of crimes. Society didn't deem me important enough to get justice or help. Ive applied to 1000+ jobs. My ability to get one seemingly nil. I'm homeless as a result. Ive been basically cast aside and left for dead. Doesn't matter how hard i worked or how good of a person I was. No one will help me. Telling me what happened wasnt a crime would be helping. No one will even verify even though i can produce a voluminous amount of proof. Ive been given a death sentence for someone's else greed, corruption, and crimes.

 

[divinemistress36]

No, Im to fucked up to contribute. I wish I was able to work part time though not to contribute to society cause fuck them (sorry Im grumpy today) but for something to do

 

[NotCreativeName]

No, doesn't have a job even with all the search, doesn't have somebody to love so i'm not going to have children, did ended my graduation and post graduation in programming but apparently it isn't enough for me to get a job in my country. Don't even have hope anymore, have to live with my father because i don't have money and everyday is hell, not because i live with him, but i can't even help him with the houses finances. I'm trying to learn how to make games to distract my head, but i don't know anymore, its just something automatic for me to do.

 

[-nobodyknows-]

I'm trying to be, but I haven't had much luck with it. Applications that go nowhere, limited social life, no relationship. Sometimes I feel as if society itself doesn't want me.

 

[The_Hunter]

I'm trying to be, but I haven't had much luck with it. Applications that go nowhere, limited social life, no relationship. Sometimes I feel as if society itself doesn't want me.

you're trying--and I think that does have some meaningful difference--no matter how infinitesmal--than not trying. Your efforts from your intentions do truly have value, at least in my own views of morality. I hope your efforts are able to bring something of niceness to you, I hope. Take care.

 

[TheHolySword]

the extent of my usefulness in this world starts and ends at paying taxes. But considering that a lot of my taxes just goes towards war I can't say it's even all that useful

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

I'm trying to be, but I haven't had much luck with it. Applications that go nowhere, limited social life, no relationship. Sometimes I feel as if society itself doesn't want me.

I'm confident that something good will come to you. I'm sure one application will get you somewhere. From there, you can also work on everything else like social life and relationships.

 

[onthefence]

I contribute some but the resources I take up far outweigh my contributions. So overall not productive- just a drain on society.

 

[render]

LOOOOOOL LMAOOOO HELL NO!!!!!! not with the amount of mental illnesses i got!!!!!

 

[themummyreturns]

I've worked one job or another since I was 14, paid taxes since I was 16, that's about the long & short of my productivity.

Certainly doesn't feel productive, rewarding etc…

 

[Peace2peace]

Mental yes but physically have not been able to due to my health challenges

 

[alienfreak]

Productivity is an inherently relative concept. What is considered productive varies depending on an individual's values and priorities. Often, the economic and social system rewards activities that do not necessarily benefit the planet, such as industrialization and pollution, but focus on immediate gains. Environment and sustainability, for example, may be secondary for those who don't see a direct connection between their actions and the long-term effects on the planet. Ultimately, productivity depends on how we view the system. You can only feel like a "parasite" if you share the values of that specific system, but it's up to you. I've never felt that way and don't care about the system's values—it's not something I define as important.
The only thing that really interests me in this system is the biological one, and the suffering that comes with it. The goal is to understand how to limit this suffering, how to make it as less intense as possible, and ultimately, how to disappear from this biological system. I don't care about conforming to any other system other than one that seeks to minimize the pain of this body and the mind that inhabits it.

Agreed. I think society is going in the wrong direction, so most of the actions that other people would consider 'contributing' and 'being productive' i see as harmful. I am not morally aligned with society. I support myself and pay my taxes (because i am violently forced to), but I feel that i am compromising on my morals even by doing that, because my taxes are used to perpetuate a system that I think is harmful. Most people here I suppose are victims of the system that we are forced to live within, so they should not feel bad for draining its resources. I'm on the titanic and the ship's crew is aiming toward the iceberg; to be productive for me would be to do something to turn the ship around or slow it down.