Discussion Would you be less suicidal in a labour job or in a corporate job

[aneurysm]

Some people are depressed by labour jobs (social status), and others prefer it (peace of mind?).

• Which one is best and why?
• Do you have more respect for labour workers or corporate dogs? •Which one are you now?

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

As long as I'm actually needed and the job leads to a real positive effect and is relatively enjoyable (and has some pride in it), I don't care. I'm going for labor stuff now, when the robots take my job I guess I'll shoot myself. Who am I kidding, I'm not going to make it until automation

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

I'd be less suicidal with universal basic income and living as a NEET.

 

[Nexey]

Corporate. It's not that I care about the ~social status~. I just want to get paid a ridiculous amount of money for sitting around and doing practically nothing. I've already done hard labor and it is NOT fun. Literally back-breacking work. It doesn't help that your older co-workers will expect to you do their heavy lifting, thinking that your younger body can handle it (spoiler: it can't). God forbid you have any invisible disabilities.

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

I work in customer service. 8 hour shifts, no overtime, it's not hard, no significant responsabilities, no chance for promotion. I love it.
Never had aspirations for a career. I just don't care. Give me my money and my free time and go have your ambitions.
But to answer the question, corporate for sure. I worked labor and, while I enjoyed it in the sense that it's so exausting I didn't have the energy even to be depressed, it's not sustainable in the long run.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

it's not sustainable in the long run.

If you go hardcore minimalism, maybe even not pay any rent for a while, then you could retire at 30/40 or something, depending on markets and shit. Otherwise it's just protein, veg, rest, low stress, genetics, mindset, communication, leverage in marketplace, likeability, knowledge, skill and keeping up with the gym.

 

[TooLate2582]

I worked blue collar labor for years. I was much happier now than my current profession. So much so, that I routinely do side work that is labor. Ppl don't understand that it is one of the few things that give me any positivity.

 

[Hirokami]

There's something about working in a cubicle and forcing small talk with a bunch of blue pills that causes my skin to crawl. As for labor, at least I get the chance to become more fit but then people would look down on me even more. Not to mention, I have a bad back, so that'd be impossible for me. I guess I'd choose neither. This isn't to say I don't want to work but I want to do something I'd actually enjoy without being forced to socialize with people, talking about things I don't care about.

 

[Makko]

Even turning the key in my outer door lock is an athletic challenge for me. I don't think signing up for hard labor would be a good idea.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

Labor. In these types of jobs there is no BS. Either do it or fired. No diversity training , no corporate slogans and BS , etc.

 

[LakatosDiogenesz]

I've had both and hard labor was definitely much more fun and fulfilling.
Only downside is the low wage and the toll it takes on your body (always protect your spine fellas!), but if you're not planning to live very long it doesn't matter anyway.

 

[WornOutLife]

I hate both so, I've picked neither.
I was born to be a "freelancer" and my own boss.
I just teach English to the amount of students I want and then laze around.
Sure, the amount of money is not the best but I'm happy with my "salary". My work is certainly not a reason to ctb.

 

[Callie Arcale]

Considering I am mentally and physically ill, I would not be able to hold down a job which required strenuous labor. So office life is all there is, or was or every will be for me. Just like Carl Sagan's cosmos :P

But I must add that I have been ill and basically suicidal all my life, so my work is not really a factor.

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

If you go hardcore minimalism, maybe even not pay any rent for a while, then you could retire at 30/40 or something, depending on markets and shit. Otherwise it's just protein, veg, rest, low stress, genetics, mindset, communication, leverage in marketplace, likeability, knowledge, skill and keeping up with the gym.

So, just that? Sound like a breeze

Hypothetically, it could work, sure. If the whole universe conspired to make you into the luckiest superhuman. I know a lot of manual laborers, and none of them retired at 30 or 40. A lot of them broke their bodies though. This lifestyle is not for everyone, even if the mindset is right.

And what did you mean by "keeping up with the gym"? Really? After 8 hours of laying bricks gym becomes redundant.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

And what did you mean by "keeping up with the gym"? Really? After 8 hours of laying bricks gym becomes redundant.

No, you have to be way stronger than what the work requires so that it's child's play when you lift shit at work. That way you don't get injured.

 

[aneurysm]

I wish I could just be a nanny for the super rich and earn 100k a year while traveling.

but my favorite thing in life is studying and researching.

Like, I like absorbing knowledge and researching stuff, but I don't like producing.

I need to find a job that :

1. pays over 100k
2. allow me to study/research 80% of the time

consulting is a good option but it's too overwhelming. The pressure is too high. I like it but I always feel like I'm one day away from a disaster. Like, a single error in my thinking process and that's it.

 

[Makko]

I wish I could just be a nanny for the super rich and earn 100k a year while traveling.

but my favorite thing in life is studying and researching.

Like, I like absorbing knowledge and researching stuff, but I don't like producing.

I need to find a job that :

1. pays over 100k
2. allow me to study/research 80% of the time

consulting is a good option but it's too overwhelming. The pressure is too high. I like it but I always feel like I'm one day away from a disaster. Like, a single error in my thinking process and that's it.

Researching is mostly a cushy job. Especially in soft sciences. I've recently visited an acquaintance who is a doctoral student and she was comfying around at the university staff lounge in fuzzy slippers.

The pay is crap though, compared to what you could get with the same merits in the corporate sector.

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

No, you have to be way stronger than what the work requires so that it's child's play when you lift shit at work. That way you don't get injured.

Makes sense. I don't know if it's managable though. I mean, when would you rest then? It's confusing.
But what would I know. The only organized thing in my life are my bowel movements, and it's not even up to me.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Makes sense. I don't know if it's managable though. I mean, when would you rest then?

Optimal sleep and with the other factors you will be able to stay out of excessive physical workloads. Calling in sick is also always an option...

 

[ashedout]

I work a corporate job and it's hell - but that's directly related to where I work. In another life, I would have made better decisions and hopefully ended up in a different position but who knows. I'm not sure I'm cut out for a labour job either though.

I've been suicidal since I was a kid so work isn't 100000% related to my head space. I respect either corporate or labour job people. What someone does isn't always all they are so if they are worthy of respect then I'm happy to give it to them

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

Calling in sick is also always an option...

So is dropping dead.
Also, your likeability and leverage are inversely proportional to this.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Also, your likeability and leverage are inversely proportional to this.

Likeability? Barely affected unless you go overboard or are a terrible liar. Leverage comes from being able to walk away (new job or even ctb) and working in an understaffed field.

 

[Spiral]

I wish I could just be a nanny for the super rich and earn 100k a year while traveling.

but my favorite thing in life is studying and researching.

Like, I like absorbing knowledge and researching stuff, but I don't like producing.

I need to find a job that :

1. pays over 100k
2. allow me to study/research 80% of the time

consulting is a good option but it's too overwhelming. The pressure is too high. I like it but I always feel like I'm one day away from a disaster. Like, a single error in my thinking process and that's it.

Sounds like you need to be an archivist, you get to study and research loads, mostly get left in peace to organise info and catalogue relics or files or old books and if you bag a job as head archivist for government or a top museum you can get a chunky salary :p
I would deffo pick a labour job, I like to work with my hands and do something real, I would not survive being stuck in a cubicle or staring at a screen and the sound of phones ringing makes me want to scream lol, to my ears it's worse than nails scraping on a chalk board. Give me a pile of logs to move and I'm happy xD

 

[aneurysm]

Sounds like you need to be an archivist

this is basically my dream job I didn't mention it because I can't even imagine it happening, it'd be too immense :') maybe you mentioning it is a sign that I should at least try

 

[Spiral]

this is basically my dream job I didn't mention it because I can't even imagine it happening, it'd be too immense :') maybe you mentioning it is a sign that I should at least try

It's deffo a sign :D of course you should try xD

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

Likeability? Barely affected unless you go overboard or are a terrible liar. Leverage comes from being able to walk away (new job or even ctb) and working in an understaffed field.

You do realize that you defined this scenario that you pressupossed as "hardcore", but you approach it as if it's completely controlled. You mentioned like 10 variables that could affect the outcome, but you don't treat them as variables. I respect your vision and determination, I really do, but to reach an outcome you must put things in motion. And your idea is not just letting things develop by themselves in a natural tempo. "Hardcore" means you apply force, you speed up things, you stretch the variables, so to speak. By doing this you are giving up some of your control. And in this sense "hardcore minimalism" sounds almost like an oxymoron. The more you force things, the more complications will arise, and the less minimalist will your minimalism become.

P.s. Sorry for the long time between replies. I'm at work, stretching the variables myself.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

You do realize that you defined this scenario that you pressupossed as "hardcore", but you approach it as if it's completely controlled. You mentioned like 10 variables that could affect the outcome, but you don't treat them as variables. I respect your vision and determination, I really do, but to reach an outcome you must put things in motion. And your idea is not just letting things develop by themselves in a natural tempo. "Hardcore" means you apply force, you speed up things, you stretch the variables, so to speak. By doing this you are giving up some of your control. And in this sense "hardcore minimalism" sounds almost like an oxymoron. The more you force things, the more complications will arise, and the less minimalist will your minimalism become.

P.s. Sorry for the long time between replies. I'm at work, stretching the variables myself.

I think you might have misunderstood the post since I can't really connect any of this to what I said. Or I'm just extra stupid today, lol.

 

[shy]

Being a craftsman could be exciting. I'm thinking niche woodworking, like custom furniture or restorative work on old sailboats and stuff like that. Idk there's some romanticism about honing ones craft and perfecting it.

In reality I'm just hoping that UBI is a thing once I'm done with school.

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

I think you might have misunderstood the post since I can't really connect any of this to what I said. Or I'm just extra stupid today, lol.

Wasn't refering to one particular post, but all of them. I could have just said "your plan sounds hard" or "good luck with executing that theory", but that's just not my style, obviously

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Wasn't refering to one particular post, but all of them. I could have just said "your plan sounds hard" or "good luck with executing that theory", but that's just not my style, obviously

I don't really care if one of my plans fail, I have nothing that I want out of life and the other option is to be a NEET. Just trying to pass the time until I'm staring at an inevitable dystopia and can catch the bus.