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Rivotrial
Member
- Jun 10, 2019
- 38
It can help against the fear, but stopping ? No - because it's an instinct. Anesthetics are the only way if your instinct is too strong
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Roger
I Liked Ike
- May 11, 2019
- 973
Does "strong survival instinct" really mean "I'm not yet really ready to kill myself" ?
Endqualia
Member
- Jun 6, 2019
- 72
It should help I guess.
I don't know do people that actually kill themselves get truly rid of fear and SI first? Somehow I doubt most lose all fear, they just act in spite of it.
I don't know do people that actually kill themselves get truly rid of fear and SI first? Somehow I doubt most lose all fear, they just act in spite of it.
It may or may not mean that. I know with certainty that it's possible to suffer from SI even when one has a great multitude of clear and compelling reasons to CTB. In fact it looks like quite a few people on this forum have that issue. I can read their posts which detail their horrific mental & physical suffering and look at how they joined a full year ago! They are living in a hell on Earth yet their SI is so powerful that they are unable to escape from their hellish existence.
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My SI is only so present because I have kids. I love them but detest myself for having them. I was young and if I'd lived longer I would have known my depression was not just teenage hormones.
I always am feeling more capable of CTB when drunk. Benzos might help too. Lorazepam has been known to increase risk for suicide in depressed patients.
I always am feeling more capable of CTB when drunk. Benzos might help too. Lorazepam has been known to increase risk for suicide in depressed patients.
I have to wonder if that might just be benzo-bashing propaganda. I am not 100% certain, though I haven't actually seen any studies that show that. I certainly have an intimate personal knowledge of benzos as it's highly unlikely that you will ever meet anybody who has used more of them in their lifetime than I have. My complaint with benzos is that they simply do not work for me at any dosage level, though I seem to be quite an anomaly in that regard. I also never found benzos to be the least bit addictive.
I know how studies have linked them to dementia, though a link does not imply causation. Firefighters are strongly linked to fires, though they generally are not the cause of the fires. Similarly, it's possible that elderly patients who are losing their mental abilities are distressed by their mental decline, and to calm their nervousness their docs prescribe benzos thus you have old folks on benzos who have lost their mind, though the benzos aren't the cause of it.
Another example of bento-bashing is how the FDA now strong warns against giving benzos to anyone on opioids due to a ridiculously exaggerated fear of death by OD. This is based on the fact that when you have a death by drug OD you will frequently find multiple drugs in the victims blood. Something like a third of opioid ODs happen to include some amount of benzos, which may (or may not) have played a meaningful role in the death. Of course alcohol is frequently present too, yet I don't see anybody crying for a return of Prohibition.
Alcohol helped me attempt partial... didn't work obviously
Planning full and getting shit faced
Planning full and getting shit faced
I really wish I could get intoxicated. I used to average 7 drinks per day for over a year. Then I realized that drinking no longer relaxed me, plus I also realized that wine & beer really taste like shit so I stopped drinking. I never could stand drinking hard liquor, so I normally stuck to wine. Now it all tastes so horrid that I simply can't drink it even though I really need & want to be in an altered state of consciousness.
There was a clinical study showing ativan had higher risk but am unsure if it was biased. I was prescribed it even though I had depression and suicidal ideation which I found ironic.
Ativan has been on the market in the US for the last 42 years. With that long a history of widespread use I think we can safely assume that patients are not killing themselves left & right. In the modern world we demand that drugs be very safe (and frequently not at all effective). Being almost entirely immune to benzos, I really wish we lived in a world where things like Nembutal, Seconal, and Quaaludes were still prescribed for insomnia & anxiety. I haven't been able to sleep in the last 3 months. I mean laying awake, tossing & turning all night every night without exception. While all of them have been used as suicide drugs, being able to actually sleep would give me at least one reason to live. And if I were to accidentally OD on Seconal -- like Judy Garland did -- well, then insomnia & all my other problems would be permanently resolved so I wouldn't complain. Sleep or death -- either one is a major plus in my book.
How much Ativan were you prescribed and did it in fact increase your suicidal ideation?
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Mindset matters. Sometimes it helped my anxiety. But if I was experiencing bad crippling depression when I took it, other times it increased the suicidal thoughts. it's all circumstantial so definitely depends on how you're feeling in the first place.
BridgeJumper
The Arsonist
- Apr 7, 2019
- 1,194
Nope, it didnt help me. I still couldnt jump. So I kept drinking until I passed out right in the middle of the bridge and puked on myself. I even managed to answer a random stranger asking if Im okay but no recollection of the answer. But no, I still couldnt jump. Maybe Im just a coward
DepressionsAHo
Heaven gained a new ho
- Feb 15, 2019
- 831
No, you're not. Jumping is petrifying. Looking over that edge is horrifying. Only way I could do it is by tripping essentially. My original plan was overdosing and stumbling off the cliff edge.
Look at this and tell me that it'd be all fine and dandy. Why would anyone be scared if you took 1 second to look down. Pussies am I right?
