Method Will Argon work just the same as Nitrogen for exit hood?

[MissNietzsche]

I know that both are inert gases, but it scares me that Argon isn't as abundant in the air as Nitrogen.

Nitrogen literally causes no pain; are you guys certain it's the same for Argon?

I would go to a welding shop for nitrogen, but I heard that they're starting to disallow sales of nitrogen to individual consumers, particularly in California. Also, as a tiny, 21 year old female, I really don't look like a welder, no have any knowledge about it.

Thank you!
Also, I know argon is a lot heavier than nitrogen, so I fear that it'll sink to the bottom of the hood and won't work :/

 

[Girobatol]

I know that both are inert gases, but it scares me that Argon isn't as abundant in the air as Nitrogen.

Nitrogen literally causes no pain; are you guys certain it's the same for Argon?

I would go to a welding shop for nitrogen, but I heard that they're starting to disallow sales of nitrogen to individual consumers, particularly in California. Also, as a tiny, 21 year old female, I really don't look like a welder, no have any knowledge about it.

Thank you!
Also, I'm argon is a lot heavier than nitrogen, so I fear that it'll sink to the bottom of the hood and won't work :/

Argon is ok for that.

 

[dominodux]

Nitrogen is a more physiological gas, we breath 80% of it combined with almost 20% of oxygen and other gases, all day..

All inert gases drive to the same result, but as long as body is more used to nitrogen, it just cause less disconfort than argon or helium.

This is my opinion and the same opinion of PPH.

Nitrogen can be purchased in food grade, for beer tap, and tech grade, for tires performance.

Generally speaking, food grade is 99% pure, tech grade something less.

 

[MissNietzsche]

Nitrogen is a more physiological gas, we breath 80% of it combined with almost 20% of oxygen and other gases, all day..

All inest gases drive to the same result, but as long as body is more used to nitrogen, it just cause less disconfort than argon or helium.

This is my opinion and the same opinion of PPH.

Nitrogen can be purchased in food grade, for beer tap, and tech grade, for tires performance.

Generally speaking, food grade is 99% pure, tech grade something less.

Hmm, I wonder if the welding company would sell it to me if I say I'm just using it to brew beer..I am a dietetics student, and my department is very close to the food science department, so it wouldn't be too far of a stretch..

I'm just paranoid because of some of the people on these boards saying they've been unable to buy N2 anymore

 

[dominodux]

Hmm, I wonder if the welding company would sell it to me if I say I'm just using it to brew beer..I am a dietetics student, and my department is very close to the food science department, so it wouldn't be too far of a stretch..

I'm just paranoid because of some of the people on these boards saying they've been unable to buy N2 anymore

I guess different countries have different restrictions about gases, in some Europe it is possible to purchase empty tanks and then refill them with the required gas.

 

[MissNietzsche]

I guess different countries have different restrictions about gases, in some Europe it is possible to purchase empty tanks and then refill them with the required gas.

Hmm, that's possible here too! Perhaps they'd be more willing to help me out if I already had my own tank! Thank you!

 

[pane]

I know that both are inert gases, but it scares me that Argon isn't as abundant in the air as Nitrogen.

Nitrogen literally causes no pain; are you guys certain it's the same for Argon?

I would go to a welding shop for nitrogen, but I heard that they're starting to disallow sales of nitrogen to individual consumers, particularly in California. Also, as a tiny, 21 year old female, I really don't look like a welder, no have any knowledge about it.

Thank you!
Also, I know argon is a lot heavier than nitrogen, so I fear that it'll sink to the bottom of the hood and won't work :/

Hi MissNietzsche,

I haven't read up on the inert gas method for awhile so I'm going by memory with the following comments.

Phil Nitschke from Exit International (who is/was a medical doctor) states that the flow of air in and out of the lungs is approximately 15 liters per minute.

Inert gasses are measured in what's called "molecular weight". Nitrogen's molecular weight is almost the same as oxygen so you can use what's called a click-style oxygen regulator set to 15 LPM with a tank of nitrogen for this method.

If you do a search here on SS with the phrase "click-style oxygen regulator" and type in my username you'll find several detailed posts where I elaborate on this.

Argon has a heavier molecular weight than oxygen and nitrogen and has a different LPM flow rate. Because of this you can't use the click-style 02 regulator. If using a tank of nitrogen you'd need a nitrogen regulator set to 17-19 LPM if I recall correctly.

Or use a tank of argon and an argon regulator, again set to 17-19 LPM.

For the sake of simplicity I strongly recommend a 20 or 40 cubic foot nitrogen tank with a click-style 02 regulator set to 15 LPM. A few months ago a member named Fister killed himself with this set-up and posted pics of what the equipment looks like when assembled.

As far as the argon "sinking" to the bottom of the hood that's what you want to have happen.

The purpose of using the exit bag/inert gas method is to create an oxygen-free environment around your head inside the bag. You do this by filling it with an inert gas. The gas pushes any remaining air out through the bottom of the exit bag that is secured snugly but not tightly around your head.

In a few moments you're breathing pure inert gas which will quickly cause unconsciousness followed by death within about 5-20 minutes I believe.

If you do a search using "nitrogen", "argon" or "regulator" you'll find tons of posts about this topic.

 

[LMLN]

From what I have read the argon should be the same as nitrogen or helium. I have the set up for argon. I ended up with argon because I felt I had a better cover story. But I think I could have gotten nitrogen with no explanation needed. You can probably get nitrogen if you want it. I think there are even some suggested cover stories in the megathread. But I dont think they will even ask.
I just was never able to pull down the bag and breath deep. So I changed methods.

 

[MissNietzsche]

From what I have read the argon should be the same as nitrogen or helium. I have the set up for argon. I ended up with argon because I felt I had a better cover story. But I think I could have gotten nitrogen with no explanation needed. You can probably get nitrogen if you want it. I think there are even some suggested cover stories in the megathread. But I dont think they will even ask.
I just was never able to pull down the bag and breath deep. So I changed methods.

I actually emailed a local company and they JUST responded with this: "20 cf cylinder is $115.00 nothing else needed". Needless to say, I am a very happy girl.

Hi MissNietzsche,

I haven't read up on the inert gas method for awhile so I'm going by memory with the following comments.

Phil Nitschke from Exit International (who is/was a medical doctor) states that the flow of air in and out of the lungs is approximately 15 liters per minute.

Inert gasses are measured in what's called "molecular weight". Nitrogen's molecular weight is almost the same as oxygen so you can use what's called a click-style oxygen regulator set to 15 LPM with a tank of nitrogen for this method.

If you do a search here on SS with the phrase "click-style oxygen regulator" and type in my username you'll find several detailed posts where I elaborate on this.

Argon has a heavier molecular weight than oxygen and nitrogen and has a different LPM flow rate. Because of this you can't use the click-style 02 regulator. If using a tank of nitrogen you'd need a nitrogen regulator set to 17-19 LPM if I recall correctly.

Or use a tank of argon and an argon regulator, again set to 17-19 LPM.

For the sake of simplicity I strongly recommend a 20 or 40 cubic foot nitrogen tank with a click-style 02 regulator set to 15 LPM. A few months ago a member named Fister killed himself with this set-up and posted pics of what the equipment looks like when assembled.

As far as the argon "sinking" to the bottom of the hood that's what you want to have happen.

The purpose of using the exit bag/inert gas method is to create an oxygen-free environment around your head inside the bag. You do this by filling it with an inert gas. The gas pushes any remaining air out through the bottom of the exit bag that is secured snugly but not tightly around your head.

In a few moments you're breathing pure inert gas which will quickly cause unconsciousness followed by death within about 5-20 minutes I believe.

If you do a search using "nitrogen", "argon" or "regulator" you'll find tons of posts about this topic.

This is SO much easier than the flowmeters I was looking at! Thank you so much!

Just one question..after I have this contraption on, do I just open my tank to full blast?

 

[TowerUpright]

Contraption?? Lol.

Seriously, if anyone have you a hard time, tell them you want to start filling bike tires with nitrogen. They'd look at you off, but it's a viable reason.

 

[MissNietzsche]

Contraption?? Lol.

Seriously, if anyone have you a hard time, tell them you want to start filling bike tires with nitrogen. They'd look at you off, but it's a viable reason.

LOL OOPS, yes!

omg, that's possibly even better than brewing beer thanks so much