Why the fuck are fentynal patches not more common.

[heyismeman]

This is for those who are capable to navigate the DW, why aren't fent patches a much more common method. 10 100ug patches would be enough to ctb for most people, but obviously just go for 30 and be done with it. So why isn't it as common, honestly a Fent OD is a thousand times more peaceful then SN. 20mg Xanax then place 20-30 100ug fent patches and be done with it. For the ones who know how to work the DW why isn't this a much more common method.

 

[CemeterySleeper]

I don't know much about the DW so I can't comment on that aspect other than to say fent from the DW is only available to those who can/will use it which is ultimately a small number of people. Where I live it would be very accessible on the street though, and I have considered it. The biggest reason I haven't gone for it is that ODing is unreliable, and even in the case of a massive OD effects are not totally predictable, for example I was advised that because I tend to be more resilient to downers and (binge) drink quite a lot I likely am resistant to the sedative effects and may be more aware of the dying process than I would like despite having no tolerance or experience with it. Again I have no knowledge of the DW but unless it's prices are substantially different than street prices patches are expensive, the powder is much cheaper and I would think injected powder would be faster and more effective than patches. That said I do think you are right about it vs SN even without the added Xanax, SN sounds pretty rough.

 

[heyismeman]

I don't know much about the DW so I can't comment on that aspect other than to say fent from the DW is only available to those who can/will use it which is ultimately a small number of people. Where I live it would be very accessible on the street though, and I have considered it. The biggest reason I haven't gone for it is that ODing is unreliable, and even in the case of a massive OD effects are not totally predictable, for example I was advised that because I tend to be more resilient to downers and (binge) drink quite a lot I likely am resistant to the sedative effects and may be more aware of the dying process than I would like despite having no tolerance or experience with it. Again I have no knowledge of the DW but unless it's prices are substantially different than street prices patches are expensive, the powder is much cheaper and I would think injected powder would be faster and more effective than patches. That said I do think you are right about it vs SN even without the added Xanax, SN sounds pretty rough.

The patches release 100ug per hour, assuming 20 patches and for someone with zero tolerance, combined with 30mg of Xanax and also zero tolerance, someone could survive? We are talking 2mg of fent per hour stacked

 

[CemeterySleeper]

Without intervention no. What you are describing I would call a massive OD, that does not guarantee (based on numerous factors) that their would not be panic and feeling oxygen deprivation from respiratory depression. 20 patches might overwhelm what they could do if received prompt care even without Xanax, I imagine the Xanax would mostly just reduce anxiety during the process. The street value of that many patches would be between $800-$1500 depending on availability (DW probably on the low end) though, might be cheaper on the DW but I can't see it being that much cheaper. In non patch form it would be much cheaper. Not a perfect cocktail but I would agree better than SN, the bad parts of this method overlap with that one and would almost certainly be less agonizing because even if there was pain from hypoxia before loss of consciousness it would be muted by the fent and the Xanax would control anxiety better in tandem with the fent than with SN.

 

[heyismeman]

Without intervention no. What you are describing I would call a massive OD, that does not guarantee (based on numerous factors) that their would not be panic and feeling oxygen deprivation from respiratory depression. 20 patches might overwhelm what they could do if received prompt care even without Xanax, I imagine the Xanax would mostly just reduce anxiety during the process. The street value of that many patches would be between $800-$1500 depending on availability (DW probably on the low end) though, might be cheaper on the DW but I can't see it being that much cheaper. In non patch form it would be much cheaper. Not a perfect cocktail but I would agree better than SN, the bad parts of this method overlap with that one and would almost certainly be less agonizing because even if there was pain from hypoxia before loss of consciousness it would be muted by the fent and the Xanax would control anxiety better in tandem with the fent than with SN.

Do you believe there's a chance that you remained conscious even with this dose? How long do you expect counciousness to last? I would imagine it would be you pass out within minutes but maybe I'm wrong?

 

[nembutaldream]

Do you believe there's a chance that you remained conscious even with this dose? How long do you expect counciousness to last? I would imagine it would be you pass out within minutes but maybe I'm wrong?

Tolerance is everything. And it's hard to predict tolerance. That said, opioid OD plus benzo is my method of choice (after barbiturate OD, but that's too hard to obtain)

 

[Eudaimonic]

Boudewijn Chabot says it can take 12-60 hours to die. That's a lot; too much for many people to evade "rescue." There are ways to speed this up (e.g., heating patches, scoring them), but by how much, idk.

Variance in pharmacodynamics (opioid receptor sensitivity, respiratory effects) is still a problem.

At any rate, a long-acting sedative like Ambien would seem crucial for peacefulness.

Question for you: is 20-30 patches a large enough amount to get charged with intent to distribute?

Edit: I wonder how effective a hot tub would be