Discussion Why not Sodium Azide?

[itistimetoleave]

I see a lot of threads about sodium nitrite but not sodium azide. Is there a reason sodium nitrite is preferred?

 

[CrushedHopes]

Because azide has a lower peacefulness rating compared to nitrite. There's other reasons, too. Read the PPH for more info.

 

[ayb]

No sellers in europe or canada

 

[MeltingHeart]

i believe it has some explosive element when it reacts to something-maybe metal or something- i cant recall the details -making it a little more tricky to handle..also some potential of being harmful to others...due to gas it emits...sorry this is so vague...just what P.Nitschke mentioned in a talk on it, i believe it is on you tube.

 

[Heart of Ice]

It's apparently somewhat painful, which seems to be something users on here wish to avoid. It can also be dangerous if exposed to metals and any resuscitation attempts might end badly for the giving end. Slight illegality could be an issue.

The upside is that it's much faster, has no antidote and since the amount needed is so small, antiemetics might not be necessary.

 

[999888]

SA is much more restricted than sodium nitrite. I can't get it legally in my country.

 

[FallenX]

The speed of SA is a lie. People have survived up to 40 hours in agony from it if found or presented to hospital hours later drowsy only for the fun to start 2-4 hours in. Don't trust PPeH on Azide as they have zero case studies on it. They just know as we know there's no antidote and it pretty much results in death cause it KILLS your heart and brain. Necrosis. And maybe it will explode in your face before you take it.

 

[Stan]

The speed of SA is a lie. People have survived up to 40 hours in agony from it if found or presented to hospital hours later drowsy only for the fun to start 2-4 hours in. Don't trust PPeH on Azide as they have zero case studies on it. They just know as we know there's no antidote and it pretty much results in death cause it KILLS your heart and brain. Necrosis. And maybe it will explode in your face before you take it.

Got a link with that information? i would be genuinely interested to read it.

 

[FallenX]

Got a link with that information? i would be genuinely interested to read it.

It's in the first page of google if you search sodium azide poisoning or with 40 hours or azide necrosis. And sodium azide lab accident.

 

[Stan]

It's in the first page of google if you search sodium azide poisoning or with 40 hours or azide necrosis. And sodium azide lab accident.

Just read through them, none of them really tally to taking the stat dose recommended which would be fast acting. Not that I like SA that much but facts do need to be clear.

 

[FallenX]

Just read through them, none of them really tally to taking the stat dose recommended which would be fast acting. Not that I like SA that much but facts do need to be clear.

some of them took 9 grams of SA! Or more and survived 6 hours. With delayed onset of severe symptoms up until 1-2 hours. But 99% expired.

the recommended stat dose is like 2-3 grams

do you think SA has less of a chance of leaving you as a vegetable or with brain damage while being alive than SN? I like SN but I'm scared of things going wrong and me not calling paramedics then ending up with brain damage alive

 

[bukowski]

some of them took 9 grams of SA! Or more and survived 6 hours. With delayed onset of severe symptoms up until 1-2 hours. But 99% expired.

the recommended stat dose is like 2-3 grams

do you think SA has less of a chance of leaving you as a vegetable or with brain damage while being alive than SN? I like SN but I'm scared of things going wrong and me not calling paramedics then ending up with brain damage alive

Where has there been a report of brain damage from SN?

 

[Stan]

It's just reality. The kid in China who was poisoned is brain dead. Legally dead but hooked up to machines. If that can happen without you dying it's possible less hypoxia after vomiting but not getting help can leave you with less brain damage but alive possibly in a vegetative state.

I have just had a look at your message history. Since 28th October, you have not said a good thing about SN and mentioned SA a few times. This has been said to you today by another member, SN or SA is obviously not for you. You should consider another method.

 

[falconeyes]

The speed of SA is a lie. People have survived up to 40 hours in agony from it if found or presented to hospital hours later drowsy only for the fun to start 2-4 hours in. Don't trust PPeH on Azide as they have zero case studies on it. They just know as we know there's no antidote and it pretty much results in death cause it KILLS your heart and brain. Necrosis. And maybe it will explode in your face before you take it.

I've skimmed few published case studies and i could say time of death varies (2 up to 40 hours) in ambiguous way, without any steady relation between dose level, time of death or ages of the deceased.
I've mentioned my view about PPH in a previous post, but it seems some fellows here take any critic towards as a pro-lifer's conspiracy
Here's one of the studies about 3 different cases of SA

 

[Stan]

It is indeed useful to be able to look through someone's posting history and evaluate what they have written.

 

[JSauter]

Where has there been a report of brain damage from SN?

Authority agrees to keep up fight for life of boy ‘poisoned by teacher’

Five-year-old still in coma seven months after he and his classmates were poisoned by teacher.

www.google.com

 

[ayb]

If it quickly puts you in a coma it doesn't matter if it takes hours to die. You won't be conscious.

I've skimmed few published case studies and i could say time of death varies (2 up to 40 hours) in ambiguous way, without any steady relation between dose level, time of death or ages of the deceased.
I've mentioned my view about PPH in a previous post, but it seems some fellows here take any critic towards as a pro-lifer's conspiracy
Here's one of the studies about 3 different cases of SA

 

[falconeyes]

If it quickly puts you in a coma it doesn't matter if it takes hours to die. You won't be conscious.

That's the problem, SA takes at least 30 mins to put person in a coma, and these 30 mins are not peaceful.

 

[Stan]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.i-scmp.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fog_image_scmp_generic%2Fpublic%2Fd8%2Fimages%2Fmethode%2F2019%2F10%2F20%2F5b4faa9a-f304-11e9-9f3d-785f2d889e39_image_hires_160951.jpg%3Fitok%3Dwy7g6G3m%26v%3D1571558996&hash=5f1c8158afc6a20445d579c71d51d208&return_error=1 Authority agrees to keep up fight for life of boy 'poisoned by teacher' Five-year-old still in coma seven months after he and his classmates were poisoned by teacher. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.i-scmp.com%2Fstatic%2Fimg%2Ficons%2Ffavicon.ico&hash=9abf2aff29bcc62d4ecdad3e03930a68&return_error=1 www.google.com

Comparing the criminal poisoning of 20 kids against an individual exercising their right is pretty low imho. Firstly, physiology is different with regard to size, weight and metabolism for a 5 year old to an adult. No details given between the time of poisoning and reaching hospital. quantity of SN each child took. Most accidental Nitrite poisonings with children happen on farms where they use well water as their main source. Nitrates can naturally occur there hence the poisoning. If someone plans to cbt and ensures they don't get caught then there are no issues.

We could use these news stories for balance

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite-deaths-in-the-news.25586/#post-464749

My personal concerns with SA is that it has real pain, identified through severe headaches attached to it. Also there are dangers with handling the product. CLW the Dutch euthanasia group promote it as there is no cure for it. Unlike SN that can be reversed if found.

 

[JimFord99]

SA is an explosive, reacts to water, voltage an other stuff, used to explode air bags in cars.careful with that stuff. Really dangerous.

 

[JSauter]

Comparing the criminal poisoning of 20 kids against an individual exercising their right is pretty low imho. Firstly, physiology is different with regard to size, weight and metabolism for a 5 year old to an adult. No details given between the time of poisoning and reaching hospital. quantity of SN each child took. Most accidental Nitrite poisonings with children happen on farms where they use well water as their main source. Nitrates can naturally occur there hence the poisoning. If someone plans to cbt and ensures they don't get caught then there are no issues.

We could use these news stories for balance

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite-deaths-in-the-news.25586/#post-464749

My personal concerns with SA is that it has real pain, identified through severe headaches attached to it. Also there are dangers with handling the product. CLW the Dutch euthanasia group promote it as there is no cure for it. Unlike SN that can be reversed if found.

I don't think the situations are comparable either - but it still satisfied his question of whether there was a case of brain damage with SN consumption.

 

[peacedignity12]

@falconeyes: I was looking at this thread. Does one slip into a coma in about 30mts with SA and not register pain after that? Does anyone have any other sources of information regarding SA, as far as the time it takes to slip into a coma.