Why mankind and any self aware species should end

[Oblivion]

This video should sum it all up.

@ 2:27


This man lost his entire family in the 2004 tsunami, you can feel the severe pain, anguish, despair and the hopelessness in his voice, no living thing should ever experience this, and when you breed and bring a child into this fucked up world then you're a selfish piece of shit criminal who only cares about themselves, you are literally bringing a child into this world where there's a huge possibility would end up like this man (not just cause of tsunamis, everything else too like diseases, homicides etc..).

A breeder is a worthless selfish piece of shit, and that's my opinion, I don't give a fuck if you think otherwise.
A rational, logical and selfless person would overcome his instincts and abstain from breeding. DO THE RIGHT THING!

 

[Rain_Hermit]

Its mostly men who want their blood line to continue compared to women if you ask me, especially among the poor. Society,culture and religion are the root causes. We won't get anywhere without upheaval of the above three.

 

[Oblivion]

Its mostly men who want their blood line to continue compared to women if you ask me, especially among the poor. Society,culture and religion are the root causes. We won't get anywhere without upheaval of the above three.

You're forgetting instinct, people wanna have children.

 

[motel rooms]

This man lost his entire family in the 2004 tsunami, you can feel the severe pain, anguish, despair and the hopelessness in his voice, no living thing should ever experience this, and when you breed and bring a child into this fucked up world then you're a selfish piece of shit criminal who only cares about themselves, you are literally bringing a child into this world where there's a huge possibility would end up like this man (not just cause of tsunamis, everything else too like diseases, homicides etc..).

A breeder is a worthless selfish piece of shit, and that's my opinion, I don't give a fuck if you think otherwise.
A rational, logical and selfless person would overcome his instincts and abstain from breeding. DO THE RIGHT THING!

Yeah, sure, life sucks even for loads of people who aren't poor & becoming an antinatalist makes a lot of sense. This is quite informative, though:

 

[silent staring void]

I think Rain_Hermit has a point. For example I don't think it's a coincidence that countries with high birthrates are some of the mostly very misogynist. If a woman has no access to abortion and barely any perspectives outside of having a family, they're going to reproduce.
I basically agree that having kids just because you want kid is selfish, but I don't think that's the main reason why people have kids.

 

[motel rooms]

I think Rain_Hermit has a point. For example I don't think it's a coincidence that countries with high birthrates are some of the mostly very misogynist. If a woman has no access to abortion and barely any perspectives outside of having a family, they're going to reproduce.
I basically agree that having kids just because you want kid is selfish, but I don't think that's the main reason why people have kids.

All the demographers keep repeating this: birthrates decline when you empower/educate women.

 

[Rain_Hermit]

You're forgetting instinct, people wanna have children.

You're right but people force their instincts upon others as well ,that's humanity for ya

 

[chocolatebar]

All the demographers keep repeating this: birthrates decline when you empower/educate women.

Poorer countries also tend to have much higher birthrates, so, fighting poverty might be another goal as well

 

[DisillusionedDragon]

The creation emergence of (sentient) life was a horrible accident in this chaotic careless universe. It is the source of all suffering and I think there should be put a peaceful end to it. Alas, that's never gonna happen. Mind you, there is gonna be an end to life, but it's definitely not going to be peaceful and until then there will still be unimaginable amounts of suffering occurring.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

The creation of (sentient) life was a horrible accident in this chaotic careless universe. It is the source of all suffering and I think there should be put a peaceful end to it. Alas, that's never gonna happen. Mind you, there is gonna be an end to life, but it's definitely not going to be peaceful and until then there will still be unimaginable amounts of suffering occurring.

Well said. Why is it so taboo to say this publicly? You can't even have an honest conversation about this kind of stuff without being bombarded with hostility and empty platitudes.

We are born, we suffer and we die. If you ask me it is fucking bullshit. None of us asked to be here. The worst part is the ever looming dread of death. Even though the only thing I have wanted for the past 10 years was to die, I am finding it hard to leave now that the time has finally come.

 

[motel rooms]

The creation of (sentient) life was a horrible accident in this chaotic careless universe.

Don't call it creation unless you believe there's a Creator.

 

[seaweaves]

What makes you think humanity is a self aware species?

(sarcasm/joking tone)

 

[Bleak]

I mean if you focus entirely on suffering and completely disregard the happiness and love that sentient beings also experience, then yeah your conclusion is logical. But it would be more honest to weigh the two together in the scale. People who intellectually conceive of all life as horrible, ugly suffering are the counterparts of those who pretend that everything is always great. Sometimes having kids is a very bad idea, sometimes it is not.

 

[flawedforever]

I think Rain_Hermit has a point. For example I don't think it's a coincidence that countries with high birthrates are some of the mostly very misogynist. If a woman has no access to abortion and barely any perspectives outside of having a family, they're going to reproduce.
I basically agree that having kids just because you want kid is selfish, but I don't think that's the main reason why people have kids.

I'm a 50 women and my parents had 5 children to use them for slaves and a whipping post!!

 

[Death is beautiful]

In this stupid world, anyone is allowed to have children, it does not require any knowledge about parenting and so on. However, it is so difficult to achieve peaceful euthanasia. What a stupid world

 

[Tintypographer]

I always quote Scott Adams (author and illustrator of Dilbert Cartoons) speaking as Dogbert in one of his usual non motivational speeches to Dilbert, "don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector hurtling toward oblivion, you also have nightly periods of unconsciousness and eventually sweet sweet death"

 

[Ligottian]

I mean if you focus entirely on suffering and completely disregard the happiness and love that sentient beings also experience, then yeah your conclusion is logical. But it would be more honest to weigh the two together in the scale. People who intellectually conceive of all life as horrible, ugly suffering are the counterparts of those who pretend that everything is always great. Sometimes having kids is a very bad idea, sometimes it is not.

The happiness and well being of a thousand would not negate the death agony of a single one.
- Arthur Schopenhauer

 

[FuneralCry]

It is better to never exist in the first place as if you never exist, you never suffer. There is unlimited potential for pain and suffering in this world, there is no limit as to how bad things can get. I think people must be very delusional to see it as a good thing to bring human beings into this world. None of us asked to be here in the first place, I see it as being unfair how we have to deal with this life.

 

[Bleak]

The happiness and well being of a thousand would not negate the death agony of a single one.
- Arthur Schopenhauer

Well, relieve some people's agonies first before telling all of humanity they are evil for having kids.

 

[Ligottian]

Well, relieve some people's agonies first before telling all of humanity they are evil for having kids.

Show me where I said that, Bleak. I dare you. I double dare you, liar.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Well, relieve some people's agonies first before telling all of humanity they are evil for having kids.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[Bleak]

Show me where I said that, Bleak. I dare you. I double dare you, liar.

Sorry, I assumed you shared the same sentiments as the OP, who said "when you breed and bring a child into this fucked up world then you're a selfish piece of shit criminal who only cares about themselves".

 

[Lost Magic]

Yep, and poverty, poor genetics, lack of a decent community are all contributing factors to having a bad start in life. I am totally against people birthing people. It's just cruel, especially the ones who know that they would make lousy parents to begin with.

 

[Messgram]

The happiness and well being of a thousand would not negate the death agony of a single one.
- Arthur Schopenhauer

People who are against
extinction/antinatalism because there are so many goods in the world are extremely selfish.
They are implicitly claiming that those who suffer horribly must exist, so the ones who can experience pleasure and happiness can exist too.
Thats evil as fuck when you think about It.

 

[Lost Magic]

I think that anyone over the age of 18 has the right to end their life peacefully. It would be the best solution for everyone. win-win.

I don't know. It depends on the state of their health. Severe chronic conditions should have the rights though. 18 is still very young to make big decisions like that.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I don't know. It depends on the state of their health. Severe chronic conditions should have the rights though. 18 is still very young to make big decisions like that.

18 years old is not my choice actually. The state thinks that those over the age of 18 should take responsibility for their actions. Then they can also take responsibility for their life. As far as I know, suffering great mental or physical pain has nothing to do with age. If I could choose, I would do CTB when I was 18. I was forced to live to the age of 44. The CTB request of an 18-year-old can be evaluated psychologically, but the final decision should still belong to them.

 

[Tintypographer]

People who are against
extinction/antinatalism because there are so many goods in the world are extremely selfish.
They are implicitly claiming that those who suffer horribly must exist, so the ones who can experience pleasure and happiness can exist too.
Thats evil as fuck when you think about It.

Lots of times I struggle with logic like this. Not because it's wrong but because I'm naive and don't think about stuff like that. People with a string philosophical and logic background can boil things down to bigger pictures like "if you're not against X then you are for Y". I figure a lot of people have kids not for a cause but because they get pleasure from sex and intimacy and a result of that is procreation. But I guess the slice of people who are then opposed to population control because of "all the good things in the word" as though it's candyland and happy days all the time, there is probably that selfish and non rational thinking about harm.

I hope most people in the world aren't emotionally suffering as much as the people on this forum. I can't say much for the totals of war torn refugees, starving people, and inherently poor. It's possible there is joy amidst all of those problems.

I do know that I live in 1% land and understand it and I'm still jacked up wanting to die every day

 

[Heartattackpending]

One of the few decent things I've done over the years is not have children. Yay me.

 

[Of The Universe]

This video should sum it all up.

@ 2:27


This man lost his entire family in the 2004 tsunami, you can feel the severe pain, anguish, despair and the hopelessness in his voice, no living thing should ever experience this, and when you breed and bring a child into this fucked up world then you're a selfish piece of shit criminal who only cares about themselves, you are literally bringing a child into this world where there's a huge possibility would end up like this man (not just cause of tsunamis, everything else too like diseases, homicides etc..).

A breeder is a worthless selfish piece of shit, and that's my opinion, I don't give a fuck if you think otherwise.
A rational, logical and selfless person would overcome his instincts and abstain from breeding. DO THE RIGHT THING!

Something worth thinking about! Bless the animals!