Discussion Why isn't: 'I've had enough of this' enough?

[Forever Sleep]

I suppose we all feel the need to justify why we want to CTB. Even if it's to ourselves and no one else. What I don't entirely get is why: 'Ive had enough of this' isn't reason enough (for normies anyhow.) It's surely saying- I find my situation intolerable and I can't see a way of adequately fixing it. Isn't that the crux of the matter for everyone, no matter their individual circumstances?

I don't really get the argument against that. Maybe it is the mental illness argument: It's only your ill brain telling you that things are so shit and unfixable. But, it still kind of ignores our personal experience. Besides- what good does it do if they can't fix our 'broken' brains?!! You don't say to a chronically ill cancer patient- it's only the cancer making you feel this shit. But, sorry, we can't seem to cure it, so you're just going to have to try and stay positive.

I suppose I wish they'd just be honest and admit that this isn't about us. It can verge on magical thinking to believe that a person with long-term problems/ depression/ ideation is all that likely to make some miraculous recovery- especially if they themselves don't have the motivation to try to. I wish they'd just be truthful and say it's about them, not us. They want us to stick around, no matter how bad things are for us.

 

[FinalDawn]

Sometimes I find myself thinking about whether I'm really justified in being suicidal-- Like, am I just being overdramatic? Am I just a fragile person? Then come the flood of thoughts starting with "at least": At least I'm not a starving child in some 3rd world country. At least I live in a stable household. At least I have friends.

For sure, all of these things are privileges. And yeah, materially speaking, there are lots of things I'm grateful for. But I always think comparing my situation to others who might have it worse, it's like comparing two people drowning, one in 9ft of water versus one in 30 ft. Both are drowning equally, even if one is in deeper waters.

At the same time though, I still wonder if I'm just drowning in the kiddie pool.

 

[EyesOfNight]

I like to compare this to not drinking coffee. If a person doesn't like coffe they're not expected to try every single coffe out there until they find one they like. They are simply allowed to not drink coffee.
Unless they meet a coffee enthusiast who is most likely going to pressure them into trying x coffee first.
So people that don't accept "I don't like it" are just life enthusiast/fanatics to me.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's just horrible to me and extremely cruel how preferring to not exist isn't seen as a valid way to feel, just because they want to delay their inevitable fate for as long as possible doesn't mean that others do. It's so insulting when they act like others are "ill" for wanting death when in my case my wish to die is simply a result of being aware of how pointless and undesirable existence truly is. I'd never want to exist no matter what, existence itself is the problem and not the thoughts of wanting to be permanently relieved from it, for me suicide would be the rational solution to escape from meaningless suffering.

 

[Light_]

It is enough

 

[deletedaccount30982]

Sometimes I even face pushback here about that. Posts where I list everything I've tried to get better over the span of a decade and how I've now given up and no longer wish to try to get better and next thing I know someone says "but have you tried XYZ?". How many things does someone have to try? How long are you supposed to fight before it's enough for people to accept that you've had enough? I hate feeling like I have to prove that I've earned the right to stop fighting.

 

[pilotviolin]

ive been thinking about this alot, especially as i have been feeling better, and i realise i dont have to justify ctb to myself or others, i dont have to even be so upset or miserable to be allowed to leave. life shouldn't be forced onto anyone. for me it doesn't lead me anywhere useful seeing the right to death in a "who actually deserves to die here guys" light.

 

[2messdup]

I suppose we all feel the need to justify why we want to CTB. Even if it's to ourselves and no one else. What I don't entirely get is why: 'Ive had enough of this' isn't reason enough (for normies anyhow.) It's surely saying- I find my situation intolerable and I can't see a way of adequately fixing it. Isn't that the crux of the matter for everyone, no matter their individual circumstances?

I don't really get the argument against that. Maybe it is the mental illness argument: It's only your ill brain telling you that things are so shit and unfixable. But, it still kind of ignores our personal experience. Besides- what good does it do if they can't fix our 'broken' brains?!! You don't say to a chronically ill cancer patient- it's only the cancer making you feel this shit. But, sorry, we can't seem to cure it, so you're just going to have to try and stay positive.

I suppose I wish they'd just be honest and admit that this isn't about us. It can verge on magical thinking to believe that a person with long-term problems/ depression/ ideation is all that likely to make some miraculous recovery- especially if they themselves don't have the motivation to try to. I wish they'd just be truthful and say it's about them, not us. They want us to stick around, no matter how bad things are for us.

I hadn't thought of it like that but you've actually hit the nail right on the head. It's for them, not us. All of it.

 

[ThisGameIsOverrated]

I've thought of this before like how we're free to leave a job we don't like, move out of areas we don't want to live in, stop interacting with people we don't like etc. but as soon as that applies to life you're just too "crazy" for your own good