Why is Exit International against this website?

[sserafim]

I've heard that Exit International is against this website. Why is this the case?

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

in a general sense, they do not want to promote this to under 50's and they want the ppeh deleted from free views

 

[Final_Choice]

I could be wrong but while they believe in the right to die it's more for specific cases so long as you fall under their criteria (over 50 years old and suffering serious illness) and they believe that because there's no going back it should be granted in a case-by-case basis to those who adamantly and consistently wish to go and have been cleared by a professional to have a clear mental capacity. Since here it's more so for anyone who wishes to go, it allows people who don't fall under their criteria to be able to CTB.

 

[sserafim]

in a general sense, they do not want to promote this to under 50's and they want the ppeh deleted from free views

It's not fair that they don't want to promote to under 50's. I get not promoting to minors, but not promoting to under 50's is pure ageism...why is there such an age restriction? I believe that any adult should be able to ctb.

I could be wrong but while they believe in the right to die it's more for specific cases so long as you fall under their criteria (over 50 years old and suffering serious illness) and they believe that because there's no going back it should be granted in a case-by-case basis to those who adamantly and consistently wish to go and have been cleared by a professional to have a clear mental capacity. Since here it's more so for anyone who wishes to go, it allows people who don't fall under their criteria to be able to CTB.

Why do you have to be over 50 years old? This is unfair in my opinion, I believe that all adults should have the right to die

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

they get a lot of slack so they just set an arbitrary limit. it's not easy what they do. politics...

 

[UKscotty]

It's always about money. They profit for death, so they will be against anywhere that freely allows people to share ideas.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

It's always about money. They profit for death, so they will be against anywhere that freely allows people to share ideas.

yeah. basically lol

 

[Final_Choice]

It's not fair that they don't want to promote to under 50's. I get not promoting to minors, but not promoting to under 50's is pure ageism...why is there such an age restriction? I believe that any adult should be able to ctb.

Why do you have to be over 50 years old? This is unfair in my opinion, I believe that all adults should have the right to die

My guess is that they believe that the right to die should be focused on those who have already lived their lives and are growing old and likely have much more illnesses compared to when they were young.

 

[sserafim]

My guess is that they believe that the right to die should be focused on those who have already lived their lives and are growing old and likely have much more illnesses compared to when they were young.

Still unfair that they believe that the right to die should be focused on those who have already lived their lives. What if I don't want to live out the rest of my life or grow old? What if I don't view (the rest of) life as worth living? I believe that they should allow people in their 20s and beyond to qualify, they're a business and they'd make much more profit so it would be beneficial for them. It's unfair that I have to wait 30 years to get approved to leave a world I didn't even choose to be in in the first place. It's just so absurd...

 

[leloyon]

People have already wrote it, but to put it short:
1. They are gatekeepers who pretty much only want the right-to-die for the elderly, preferably due to illnesses and such. As a result I'm pretty sure you have to send ID to buy the peaceful pill handbook and gain access to their communities.
2. You have to buy their stuff. The way they enforce this generally makes them come across as people who are only in it for the money, especially when one may not be able to afford it or are worried about being visited by the cops due to purchasing it (I haven't seen anyone else worried about police tracing their purchases, but I am personally aware of people being put on watchlists or visited for buying other books, so this isn't paranoia. You have a book specifically dedicated to suicide and only one, well known source to obtain it from, that you have to pay in methods that reveal your identity).

The above two issues make them come across as gatekeepers who believe in "rules for thee but not for me" where only elderly people with disposable income have the right to die in their world and no one else has the right to die with dignity. As a result, people in this community have leaked copies of the peaceful pill handbook and have generally shat on EXIT and their policies since they sorta just seem like elitist phonies. Naturally, EXIT do not appreciate having their paywalled book leaked by people who insult them constantly and go against their gatekeeping beliefs.

 

[Final_Choice]

Still unfair that they believe that the right to die should be focused on those who have already lived their lives. What if I don't want to live out the rest of my life or grow old? Ugh

I completely agree, there's no international organization that believes in the right to die for everyone (to my knowledge) even though I feel like at least those who are considered adults should be allowed to do so. There's a LOT of circumstances which could make someone's life a lot worse than death, they shouldn't have to be forced to endure this just because they're not old enough.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

I completely agree, there's no international organization that believes in the right to die for everyone (to my knowledge) even though I feel like at least those who are considered adults should be allowed to do so. There's a LOT of circumstances which could make someone's life a lot worse than death, they shouldn't have to be forced to endure this just because they're not old enough.

ok. but you have to realize that there are so many protestors that they have to deal with.

 

[Final_Choice]

ok. but you have to realize that there are so many protestors that they have to deal with.

I know, even with their current implementations there are so many people against it. There's no way in our current society and popular views on life that a right to die will be given to everyone. That was just my opinion.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

They want to profit from people who are terminally ill, mentally ill who want to end their lives peacefully. They could not justify to accept a healthy person bc only of terrible life circumstances bc society is against suicide. In the end it's all about money.

Here the needed information is free and available to everyone not just to a privileged group of people above a certain age, who can afford to pay and who are "almost dead" before they can apply to be possibly accepted in the end.

 

[Relic]

It's not fair that they don't want to promote to under 50's. I get not promoting to minors, but not promoting to under 50's is pure ageism...why is there such an age restriction? I believe that any adult should be able to ctb.

Governments expect to extract value from under 50's, directly or indirectly. If there is a conflict of interest, Exit International would be wiped. Besides, they have their reputation to maintain. It would be somewhere well below the ground level if young adults were allowed. The general public is not very thoughtful or empathetic, it is more like a steamroller that flattens everything. So, they walk the line while trying to become an authority. Wherever you see "non-profit" in the description of an organization, expect discrimination and corruption.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

They only support people in old age requiring euthanasia

 

[Deleted member 65988]

They're against this forum for several reasons.

1. The fact that some of the methods shared by exit are discussed here freely.

2. The fact that most of us (considering how a good chunk of the people here are in their 20s like I am) don't fall under the specified criteria of being of terminally ill.

3. Money

They could not justify to accept a healthy person bc only of terrible life circumstances bc society is against suicide. In the end it's all about money.

There's another reason, I mean it should be our choice here, not some arbitrary standard set by society that we have to meet in order to be heard, I think that it's perfectly rational for anyone who isn't enjoying life to choose to opt out. The most vehement and vociferous opposition to suicide comes from a conflict at the heart of people's psyche. On the one hand, they are biologically conditioned to resist death at all costs. But on the other hand, many of them aren't enjoying life very much, and have nagging existential questions about the point of life that they work hard to suppress.

 

[J&L383]

50 is arbitrary, I agree. It's a trade-off, a compromise. There are some who have suffered by the time they are 18 far beyond those who have suffered by the time they're 92. I think the main thing is that if you're "young" (however you choose to define it) you still have, potentially, at least, a lot of life ahead of you to try to figure things out. But time is relative. We're all here just for a blip in a great cosmic scheme of things so it shouldn't matter at all in my view.

 

[ringo99]

They can't make any money off it

 

[rozeske]

I don't think it would matter if they truly believe in the principles of this site. On top of the profit aspect of it, they still have a reputation to keep so that is their public opinion towards this site.

 

[Justnotme]

If Nitschke and his team are really mercantile people, then can we trust the methods they write about in their book? Can we trust that they rate the peacefulness of death from guthrie nitrite as 7/10?
After all, they are focused on elderly and sick people, which means that, according to the idea, Nitschke and his team should probably not care what kind of pain older people may experience.
Yes, as we found out, sodium nitrite is really deadly. But what about the pain?

I remember someone on this forum writing that Nitsche suggests that older people bequeath their money to him and his team so that they can fund their research.

Perhaps Nitschke doesn't really care what physical pain older people may experience from his suicide methods? He needs money, doesn't he?

And maybe this money is sent to the state, which is already pulling money out of us all the time?

What do you guys think about this?

I want to believe him so much. I really want to believe that Nitschke does have some kind of power that allows him to guarantee the peacefulness of the methods he writes about.

But the way money affects people makes me doubt and cry.

 

[dreambound]

...this is not an invitation to hate on me for having an opinion, but just consider this....
exit provide an essential service that makes the human race & society slightly less barbaric

..They help people like our parents that are rightfully scared that society will deny them a peaceful
death in their old age...
.....exit have to stay afloat in a dog eat dog anti-choice prolifer world & help those they can...
I am sorry that people are suffering. I am sorry that this world is getting worse by the minute...

 

[Linda]

This is what happens when an organisation that is trying to be "respectable" tackles an unpopular subject. They fear that any more radical organisation tackling the same subject will make their job more difficult. I saw exactly the same thing in the 1970s in gay rights work. The "respectable" organizations, like Mattachine Society and Daughters of Bilitis in the US, or the Campagh for Homosexual Equality in the UK, were very uncomfortable with the screaming queens in the Gay Liberation Front (and their allies, of whom I was one). But is is a fact that in the 15 years after Stonewall, the radical groups achieved far more than the respectable ones. (That changed in the late 1980s, when the changing needs of campaigning were better met by well organized, well funded - and, inevitably, more respectable - groups.) It's quite possible that history will repeat itself, and that this site, and organisations with a similar agenda (if there are any), will open up the topic of suicide more effectively than groups like Exit.

 

[Orange Cat]

It's because this website is making them look bad by association. Both have a similar agenda. This website has gotten a lot of bad publicity in the media and is drawing attention to itself. The media has misrepresented this site. There was one story where they liked Exit and this site as being the same and saying that this site is charging a fee for membership and profiting off people's death.
The media coverage of this site has caused Exit unwanted attention, and they don't like it.

 

[walkingdead2023]

I don't know which compony/organization is that but I do believe everyone has the right to do whatever they want to as long as they are not harming others!

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I don't think it would matter if they truly believe in the principles of this site. On top of the profit aspect of it, they still have a reputation to keep so that is their public opinion towards this site.

Agreed, so to maintain a certain reputation, a good one at that, they have to keep their public opinion towards this site more or less like everyone else whose ever said about it which isn't usually positive since the core focus is the fact that it's a site that supplies information on how to ctb.

 

[wait.what]

It's only the Peaceful Pill e-Handbook that Exit International age gatekeeps. The main appeal of the PPeH was the monthly updates to D's email address, back when you could get N from him. Now that D has vanished and no successor has appeared, interest in the PPeH is much reduced. Even this place doesn't post bootleg versions of it anymore.

The print version of the book was, and is, available online without age restrictions.

Edit: I had to go and look, but the PPH (print version of Exit's book) appears to be the first place that recommends SN as a peaceful means to CTB. At least that's the source that Stan's Guide mentions.

I can appreciate Exit's dislike of having its material given away for free, but let's not imagine there's any great ethical gap between them and this site.